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oree
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对不起,我还真不知他们的电话!下次去的时候给你问问,线极化的LNB价格在40-50$之间吧,因为那时我从DOWNTOWN买的,我买时是整套的,好贵啊!110$还要加税.
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To yunboo:

FLASH后的机器, 能收到所有的台(BEV和DI$H )吗?

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Anaconda
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可以,我原来就在看一一0度。现在没了,自己把机器给搞了,
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To yunboo:

FLASH后的机器, 能收到所有的台(BEV和DI$H )吗?
移民中国
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to btang ,

对, 是DISH的, 用线极化的头. 那三个台信号还不错, 24的锅可达31, 所以一般下雨情况下还是可以看的, 看来我也用不差挂我那30的锅, 可以把30的锅雪藏起来了.

TO OREE, 线极化的头要这么贵? 以前不是20元就可以买到一个? 估计都被121和AMC4 炒的, 也不知道哪可以买到旧的, 唉.

TO 那些想花400元买卡机收到AMC4的初烧朋友(报纸上经常登的那种广告, 什么可收十几个台), 9月1日后, 台视将从AMC4消失, 意味着大部分中文台会在AMC4 消失, 请小心上当.
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to btang ,

TO 那些想花400元买卡机收到AMC4的初烧朋友(报纸上经常登的那种广告, 什么可收十几个台), 9月1日后, 台视将从AMC4消失, 意味着大部分中文台会在AMC4 消失, 请小心上当.


是啊,得转移阵地了。卡机和卡的差别就在这里,Smile
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31% signal is not that good . It's almost in the yellow area .
My dish 500 with dual LNB for 110 and 119 can get signal around 99% and 90% ( quality )
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to btang ,

TO 那些想花400元买卡机收到AMC4的初烧朋友(报纸上经常登的那种广告, 什么可收十几个台), 9月1日后, 台视将从AMC4消失, 意味着大部分中文台会在AMC4 消失, 请小心上当.


是啊,得转移阵地了。卡机和卡的差别就在这里,Smile


Wrong, JerryG, absolutly wrong! Our receivers are never use card. you don't know how powerful it is. AMC4 is a little piece of cake for our receivers. we can receive all from 121w to 61w, either di&h or be\/. We don't care those totally 14 channels to be getting lost.

to 中国BEAR: yes. ultra for di&h only, pansat for both. ultra can be moded and then, act as pansat in order to receive be\/.
to Anaconda: sorry to hear that. lifetime or lifetime ultra? if it's ultra, you should flash with Al7bar FTA Ultra_040506_232_api(NTSC).bin. and you don't need a boot.bin anymore. That boot 6 is a fake, before you flash your new one, read it carfully always and wait for a few days to see how the others say. I'm so sorry that i have no JTAG tools to help you. i have ultra-virgin-IRDmem.bin but it's no use w/o JTAG.

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yunboo
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quote:
Originally posted by 移民中国:
TO 那些想花400元买卡机收到AMC4的初烧朋友(报纸上经常登的那种广告, 什么可收十几个台), 9月1日后, 台视将从AMC4消失, 意味着大部分中文台会在AMC4 消失, 请小心上当.

absolutely, all those kinds of 卡机 is garbage!

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JerryG
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Originally posted by yunboo:
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Originally posted by JerryG:
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Originally posted by 移民中国:
to btang ,

TO 那些想花400元买卡机收到AMC4的初烧朋友(报纸上经常登的那种广告, 什么可收十几个台), 9月1日后, 台视将从AMC4消失, 意味着大部分中文台会在AMC4 消失, 请小心上当.


是啊,得转移阵地了。卡机和卡的差别就在这里,Smile


Wrong, JerryG, absolutly wrong! Our receivers are never use card. you don't know how powerful it is. AMC4 is a little piece of cake for our receivers. we can receive all from 121w to 61w, either di&h or be\/. We don't care those totally 14 channels to be getting lost.



I knew your receiver can deal with all channels descripted by Nigravision. And I heard these Chinese channels will go to Di&h. I have a question, when Nigra2 is popularized, can this receiver deal with it? Or will it become garbage?
Anaconda
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to yunboo:

Thanks. Mine is lifetime post march 04. Just downloaded howto and will try to make a simple jtag by myself :P

to JerryG,
the answer is unknown, someone said yes in Eur.
福利土埃啊
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to yunboo:
谢谢答复。我在想多用中文是不是更安全些,所以弄了一堆译音。
不知道pansat 2500和2500A是否同一机型。在k u s a t上看到后者只要260元。
JerryG
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to yunboo:

Thanks. Mine is lifetime post march 04. Just downloaded howto and will try to make a simple jtag by myself :P

to JerryG,
the answer is unknown, someone said yes in Eur.


Thanks, Anaconda. Another question is if this receiver can flexibly deal with other encription system, such as Viaccess 1&2 ...
Anaconda
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应该可以,前一段没有圆机头的时候我看过日本的那个AD,是V系统的。
T5上的很多据说也解了
yunboo
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TO 福利土埃啊:pansat2500A是N制的,在北美销售的,以前有2300A(N制)和2300M(PAL制),没见过2500。可以买2500A。EBAY上有。 260CAD, FREE S/H。
TO Anaconda: GOOD LUCK for good try, MAN。
TO JERRYG:1. AS I KNOW, FTA Receiver is able to deal with other encription system but irdeto2 or PowerVu (a commercial encryption system, no hack).
2. about nagra2, i don't care when it's coming or not. "If there is a will, there is a way". FTA Receiver will never goes into the garbage bin. even being screwed, FTA must be working on fta, nothing will be worried.
Just my cents. and some thoughts posted on other forum:

It's just a matter of time before there is a FIX for Nagra 2. The only way they (Satellite Companies) can create a software program that our guys can't hack, is to bring the technology from Mars, or some distant plant - with different technology than ours.

Now i am know genius but i know my math They are swapping 4 million cards and at the end of last year the claimed to have 12 million customers now doen't that leave a lot of people in the lurch there.Considering there are an average of 2 recievers in each home thats 24 million recievers.i will say for arguments sake that half are the new cardless ones but i know that can't be true,Anyways 12 million recievers that need cards and they are replacing 4 million only.Sounds more like they are just testing a new card from the nagra people to see if its effective in preventing piracy,so i see atleast two years before this nagra 2 is in full effect and the old stream is shut sown.trust know company in there right mind would piss off 4 million customers especially with some new sat companys coming on line

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我这儿有一种机器, 也可以EDIT KEY. 只要200刀. 但不可以收BEV, 只能收DI$H, 试了DI$H的几颗星, 110,119,148上有的频道收不到, 有的可以(收到60%吧), 121上基本上全部可以收到.

是不是不一样的CHIP呀?

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btang
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guys , what kind of linear LNB you use for G3/t5/121 ? standard or universal .

I copied this from Al7bar...

Point Of View - Universal LNBF's
There is a growing number of people coming to the forums and reading about the added value of having an FTA KU band dish in addition to their DBS dishes. I am very happy that the FTA hobby is growing as people discover the benefits of having the capability. Also there is a growing number of people that, when ordering their FTA receiver, are going ahead and getting a package deal with a thirty-something inch dish and universal LNBF. They are learning the virtues of motorizing their dish, and some are picking up a Stab or SG2100. When these people get their newly acquired equipment they are anxious to play, and frankly I don't blame them a bit. I like to try to help people get the most out of their system with the fewest headaches. It gets difficult at times when people want to combine and compact their systems and be able to use one dish to perform on several bands. I've made many posts about the fact that sometimes DiSEqC switches just don't like to be too far away from the receiver. On a lot of the receivers coming out today, for some reason they sorta forget to include 0/12 volt switching as part of their feature set, so that switching mode can't be used. That leaves 22khz switches, but with a ton of people getting universal LNBF's, then it gets tough to use those switches. I just wanted to look at the trend of universal LNBF's and share my thoughts about these devices and ask...are they really worth it?

Our North American KU band satellites primarily uses two frequency bands. The FSS band is from 11700-12200 MHz, and uses linear polarization. The DBS band is from 12200-12700 MHz and uses circular polarization. Generally because of the polarization differences it's easier for most people to use two different LNBF's to tune these services. In Europe, Africa, and Asia, they have two lower bands of 10700-11200 and 11200-11700 MHz linear. They also share our 12200-12700 band, but it is linear where our DBS band is circular. Universal LNBF's were developed to be used in those locations where several different frequency bands using the same polarization are used. By having a device that worked like having two or three LNBF's in one, all frequencies could be tuned with one device and one dish. The equipment that we have come to know over the years as FTA equipment in this country is the equivalent to DTV or DN in other countries. They aren't stuck with having to obtain, lease, or buy equipment from their programmer, They just select the brand of receiver they desire or can afford, obtain a CAM and card from the programmer of their choice, and subscribe. The FTA type receivers we know today have been in use in other countries for many years. The universal LNBF is a mass produced item that has made it's way into the American market in abundance. It is a good performer, but it has it's drawbacks.

I won't get into oscillators and mixing and the sums and differences, but in order for the universal LNBF to be able to tune such a wide range of frequencies, it has to incorporate two local oscillators (LO). When the lower frequency set is needed it uses the lower frequency LO, and when the higher set is needed it uses the higher LO. There has to be an automated way for the receiver to tell the LNBF which LO it needs, so the uni LNBF uses a 22khz signal. If I remember correctly, when the receiver sends the 22khz signal the LNBF uses the higher LO, and when it doesn't it uses the lower LO. The receiver is usually preprogrammed with a "switch" frequency, so that when setting up the particular satellite, if "Universal" is selected as the LNB type, and a frequency above 11700 Mhz is selected, it turns on the 22khz signal so the LNBF will use the correct LO frequency, and if it's below 11700 Mhz, it turns the 22khz signal off. What this means is that the receiver is tying up it's 22khz system just to deal with the universal LNBF, and in order to use both frequency sets, you won't be able to use any kind of 22khz switch. With 0/12 volt switching not being included in receivers much anymore, that just leaves either DiSEqC switching or manual switching...two choices that can have their own drawbacks.

In North America the only place we see any real use of frequencies below 11700 are with a few satellites over the Atlantic, mainly PAS9 and a couple more. These satellites have just a few Spanish language channels, and the two Atlantic Bird satellites have a handful of Arabic language signals. Most people will never be able to even see the Atlantic Bird sats, with the exception of the far right coasters. But for most people, the advantage of having a universal LNBF is far outweighed by being able to use 22khz as a switching method. In the case of forum member Chance and his desire to mount a DBS LNBF beside his uni LNBF on a motorized dish, it would be easy to stick a 22khz switch after the motor to switch between his two LNBF's, but because his linear LNBF is universal and wanting it to be able to receive both bands, switching becomes more difficult. About the only alternative is to use a DiSEqC switch after the motor, with all the problems it can introduce.

Standard LNBF's are decently cheap, usually less than $20. The point I'm trying to make is for all the folks coming on board the FTA ship to think their systems through and decide if it's really worth it to give up a fairly reliable and valuable switching method just to get a universal LNBF that most people will never fully use anyway. Now for those people that might be after those few channels like CubaVision on PAS9 then by all means get them and use them. But I think the folks that are just now getting their feet wet in FTA satellite TV would be better served by not getting a universal LNBF, picking up a standard LNBF with a 10750 Mhz LO frequency, and using the 22khz system in their receiver to help them with their switching duties. For the noob it would help to make LNBF switching a lot easier.
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TO 那些想花400元买卡机收到AMC4的初烧朋友(报纸上经常登的那种广告, 什么可收十几个台), 9月1日后, 台视将从AMC4消失, 意味着大部分中文台会在AMC4 消失, 请小心上当.[/QUOTE]

WHERE IS THIS INFO FROM? THEY WILL MOVE TO OTHER SAT OR DISAPPEARED?

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