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newman Feb 18th, 2005 13:53

进军奥斯卡部分电影点评
 
《百万宝贝(million dollar baby)》非常好的电影,是老克林特。伊斯特武德执导以来最好的作品。演员表演到位,剧情紧凑,内涵深,节奏张弛有度,非常干净。绝对是2004年最棒的电影之一。

《骚灵教父(Ray)>非常好的传记电影,音乐一流,主演杰米。副客斯演技也一流。导演到位,没有多余的镜头或让人感到闷的段落。2004年最棒的电影之一。

<飞行着(Aviator)>, 还凑和。一流的导演,但不是老马丁一流的作品(个人认为该导演的最好作品是他70年代的《出租车司机》)。演员小帅哥的演技进步了,但是还可以磨练。节奏有些段落不紧凑,让人觉得闷。同样是传记电影,不如“RAY", 也不如两年前的“a beautiful mind".

还没看《sideways>, 不好置评。个人认为,最佳电影很可能会在《百万宝贝》和《骚灵教父〉中产生。老马丁从未获最佳导演桂冠,这一次可能会补偿性获奖。老克林特。伊斯特武德如果获最佳导演倒是实至名归。

DT_Magic Feb 19th, 2005 16:55

还没看过《百万宝贝》,但记得影评不佳,票房也极差。
《飞行者》看了,因为以前工作曾经使用过休斯公司的产品,所以有些兴趣,呵呵。里面的里奥纳多那口音可真难听,破锣似的,不知道是不是有意模仿出来的。
还有整三个月才能有《星球大战》可看,这三个月可真够闷的了,简直没个值得一看的大作。

newman Feb 20th, 2005 21:47

影评不可全信,除非你没有个人观点.
 
至于口音的问题,你看西片太少了吧. 即便是好莱屋电影,演员门为了电影角色的关系,模范不同地方的口音是基本的工夫,不只如此,不少演员对于唱歌跳舞什么的都得亲力亲为,和国内演员动不动就找替身大不相同.

我估计在你看来,这世上根本就没什么电影"大作". 不怪你,许多看不懂电影的人在写影评呢.


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作者: DT_Magic
还没看过《百万宝贝》,但记得影评不佳,票房也极差。
《飞行者》看了,因为以前工作曾经使用过休斯公司的产品,所以有些兴趣,呵呵。里面的里奥纳多那口音可真难听,破锣似的,不知道是不是有意模仿出来的。
还有整三个月才能有《星球大战》可看,这三个月可真够闷的了,简直没个值得一看的大作。


ananda Feb 21st, 2005 22:34

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作者: DT_Magic
还没看过《百万宝贝》,但记得影评不佳,票房也极差。
《飞行者》看了,因为以前工作曾经使用过休斯公司的产品,所以有些兴趣,呵呵。里面的里奥纳多那口音可真难听,破锣似的,不知道是不是有意模仿出来的。
还有整三个月才能有《星球大战》可看,这三个月可真够闷的了,简直没个值得一看的大作。

去看《康斯坦丁》吧。

newman Feb 27th, 2005 12:24

SIDEWAYS
 
看了之后,决的一般. 影评好不过是因为该片优点不同而已. 有点当年"美国丽人"的路数,当是不如其精致.

rabbitjessy Feb 27th, 2005 12:31

How do you think that " Hotel of Rewanda"?

wormcc Feb 28th, 2005 10:58

Newman, may I ask why you think "taxi driver" is very good? I watched it before and didn't have feeling for it, though I like Robert De Nero, hehe. In one word, I don't know what it wants to express.

newman Feb 28th, 2005 23:39

haven't got a chance to watch it.
 
haven't got a chance to watch it, a colleague said it is good, I guess the "resecure fantasy" still working in mainstream North American.



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作者: rabbitjessy
How do you think that " Hotel of Rewanda"?


newman Feb 28th, 2005 23:54

I cannot tell u why, simply because I can't.
 
first of all, I am not a critic who is paid to write a review on a movie. My opinion about certain movies are only based on my own judgement. Therefore, I think <Alexander> was not as bad as it was rated by the critics. I also think <A big fat Greek wedding> was not as good as it was rated.

to watch a movie, a man/woman will have to experience two different stages, one, I call it "sense", which means u watch the movie with critic's lenses, u try to judge if it is a good movie or not. I don't like this experience at all, however, I may come to a conclusion when I finished watching a movie.

the other, i call it "sentivity", which means u enjoy watching a movie, totally forget your critical lenses. That is heaven, if u enjoy watching a movie, watching a movie itself is a remarkable thing, isn't it? However, only a few movies will give me such a wonderful exprience.

Now let me get back to u about your question. To answer your question, I have to ask your questions first: Did u enjoy watching <taxi driver>? If not, do u think u would like to watch it again? For what reason? If yes, why do u want to know why?



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作者: wormcc
Newman, may I ask why you think "taxi driver" is very good? I watched it before and didn't have feeling for it, though I like Robert De Nero, hehe. In one word, I don't know what it wants to express.


jumpfish Mar 1st, 2005 00:30

Million Dollar Baby不想看,Aviator还没来得急看.Sideways瞄了两眼,没细看.
我还是更喜欢Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind,更风格化一点.

wormcc Mar 1st, 2005 00:44

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作者: newman
the other, i call it "sentivity", which means u enjoy watching a movie, totally forget your critical lenses. That is heaven, if u enjoy watching a movie, watching a movie itself is a remarkable thing, isn't it? However, only a few movies will give me such a wonderful exprience.

I agree, so in my point of view, "a beautiful mind" is a good movie because it's touching.

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作者: newman
Now let me get back to u about your question. To answer your question, I have to ask your questions first: Did u enjoy watching <taxi driver>? If not, do u think u would like to watch it again? For what reason? If yes, why do u want to know why?

I just be curious... what makes it good. Maybe I missed something? As to your question, I have to admit although I enjoy watching De Nero's acting, I don't enjoy the "taxi driver". IMHO, Martin was so bounded in "gangs" movies with violence and depress, which I don't appreciate -- I haven't watched Aviator yet, hope it can change my impression.

jumpfish Mar 1st, 2005 00:47

今天去一小学,听两女老师闲聊,一个说周末她带父母去看电影,就是OSCAR上最后的赢家Million Dollar Baby,看完的结论是What a waste of time!原来看名字以为还是喜剧片:D:D,更糟糕的是本来想带父母轻松一下,结果引来一个争取女子平等权力这么严肃的东东.

感想:1)起名很重要:D;2)OSCAR对这边一般人可能真算不了什么,不关心.OSCAR中间Chris放的一段街头采访也说明这个问题.

newman Mar 1st, 2005 10:13

关于“好”电影
 
“好”电影,关键的问题:由谁来定义“好”与“不好”?

毫无疑问,批评家有他们的定义,我们每个人都可以有自己的定义。因此,我认为“好”,你完全可以认为“不好”。但是我可能会笑你“没品位”,你也可以反驳我“脱离群众”,搞资产阶级的“阳春白雪”,云云。

一言以蔽之,“好”与“不好”可以认为是“个人化”的。比如,我在坛子上说王家卫《2046》烂极了;有朋友说,我觉得不错;我说,“此言差矣。”并论证说“烂”在何处。那是我的观点,你可以不同意,也可以同意,还可以认为我的评论你一点都不在乎,不感兴趣。

《出租车司机》为什么我认为好?原因如下:

一,可看性强,娱乐性强。或者说,看的时候不会觉得“闷”(看的过程中不会开小差),不会觉得“长”(不会边看边想“怎么还没完?”);看的时候容易让你投入进去,暂时忘记别的事情。个人认为,就这一基本标准,好莱坞的95%电影都不达标。中国的99。99%电影都不值得一看。

通常制作精良的电影,无论是批评界极不看好的“大片”,或者是“独立电影”,只要“好看”(在我是娱乐性强的意思),就算是及格了。因此,007系列电影中有些挺“好看"的;《功夫》好看;《2046》不好看;《十面埋伏》《英雄》难看死了。《出租车司机》无疑在我看来是“好看”的电影之一。

二,思想性(我不喜欢这个词,但是将就先用吧),换句话说,看完后又没有“想头”。当然这个标准更加因人而异,因为各个人的价值观念/人生理想等等更是大相径庭,同样的电影在不同的人看来,对于其中的价值观的批判就有极大的不同。比如,《PASSION OF THE CHRIST〉,在无神论者看来,与在基督教徒看来就不同,在犹太人看来更有不同。

衡量思想性的标准在我看来是在于能不能挑战现有的主流观点,因此,任何带有反主流社会性质的电影在我看来是比较好的。这样看来,《出租车司机》的故事就特别的有趣,一个退伍兵,开夜车的,有着“Resecure Fantasy(救世情结)",现做个“人物”,炼枪,先是想要刺杀某政客,未遂;后来终于自以为是的“拯救”了某个“雏妓”(据媒体报道),还成了一个不大不小的“英雄”。这样的故事在我看来是“反主流社会”的,是反映社会的“黑暗”的,故事情节颇有反讽,荒诞的味道。在我看来,就是很有“想头”的电影了。

说的太多了,下回聊。




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作者: wormcc
I agree, so in my point of view, "a beautiful mind" is a good movie because it's touching.


I just be curious... what makes it good. Maybe I missed something? As to your question, I have to admit although I enjoy watching De Nero's acting, I don't enjoy the "taxi driver". IMHO, Martin was so bounded in "gangs" movies with violence and depress, which I don't appreciate -- I haven't watched Aviator yet, hope it can change my impression.


wormcc Mar 2nd, 2005 19:52

Thanks for sharing, Newman. It looks that the feeling to a movie is quite personal. You feel "taxi driver" is a 很有“想头”的电影, while I only see unbearable depression. :) Anyhow, nice to have a little discussion here.

newman Mar 3rd, 2005 09:34

May I ask you a quesiton? Wormcc.
 
what do you mean by saying "unbearable depression" ? is there any other movie that make you feel depressed?



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作者: wormcc
Thanks for sharing, Newman. It looks that the feeling to a movie is quite personal. You feel "taxi driver" is a 很有“想头”的电影, while I only see unbearable depression. :) Anyhow, nice to have a little discussion here.


wormcc Mar 3rd, 2005 10:26

Ehhh, Deer hunter is another one. Maybe I shall delete the "unbearable", it's too strong. But I'm not comfortable when watching a teenager flirting with an adult. Meanwhile, the tone of the whole movie also depresses me. I'm just weak, hehe

木棉花暖 Mar 3rd, 2005 15:09

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作者: newman
《出租车司机》的故事就特别的有趣,一个退伍兵,开夜车的,有着“Resecure Fantasy(救世情结)",现做个“人物”,炼枪,先是想要刺杀某政客,未遂;后来终于自以为是的“拯救”了某个“雏妓”(据媒体报道),还成了一个不大不小的“英雄”。这样的故事在我看来是“反主流社会”的,是反映社会的“黑暗”的,故事情节颇有反讽,荒诞的味道。在我看来,就是很有“想头”的电影了。

说的太多了,下回聊。


是说的太多了。不过你说的那句我很是同意,“。。。。。。不怪你,许多看不懂电影的人在写影评呢。”

newman Mar 4th, 2005 10:23

feeling weak or depressed, so it is not good?
 
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作者: wormcc
Ehhh, Deer hunter is another one. Maybe I shall delete the "unbearable", it's too strong. But I'm not comfortable when watching a teenager flirting with an adult. Meanwhile, the tone of the whole movie also depresses me. I'm just weak, hehe


Acutally I feel weak or sometimes depressed when I watch some good movies, however, it has never occurred to me that therefore these movies are not good. On the contrary, when a movie gives me some kind of feeling of burden, or stikes me, it usually is a good movie.

wormcc Mar 4th, 2005 13:21

Like I said, feeling to a movie is personal and I don't mean any depressing movie isn't good. For example, although deer hunter is quite depressing, I don't think it's bad. The taxi driver is just not my taste.

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作者: newman
Acutally I feel weak or sometimes depressed when I watch some good movies, however, it has never occurred to me that therefore these movies are not good. On the contrary, when a movie gives me some kind of feeling of burden, or stikes me, it usually is a good movie.


newman Mar 4th, 2005 13:40

I c
 
to some extent I agree with you. people definitely have different taste or preferrence when they watch a movie.

Having said that, individual preference should not interfere with our own judgement about "good" or "bad " movie. That is what I believe.


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