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旧 Dec 27th, 2006, 15:20   只看该作者   #101
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什么叫吹牛? 要把我的朋友变成"我", 才叫吹牛. 如果这点看法给你吹牛感觉, 只是说明你的差距太大了.
If you yourself have never been a contractor, just STFU! stop bullshitting here!
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旧 Dec 27th, 2006, 15:26   只看该作者   #102
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If you yourself have never been a contractor, just STFU! stop bullshitting here!
这个帖子写了只许contractor说话? 我又不是传销, 我愿意告诉那些有进取心的人, 收入是有提高的空间, 我们只是分享人家的成功经验, 你不信随你, 这和你就没关系了, 是你在这里狂拉shit. 不知廉耻的家伙.

我到好奇你跑到这个主题里说了啥? 这个主题是"新款corolla", 先问一下你有新款corolla吗??? 再告诉我们你说了什么不雅的话?? 好嘛???
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Very good point!
You talk too much. Please delete what you write, and do something else that worthwhile.

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旧 Dec 27th, 2006, 20:31   只看该作者   #104
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You talk too much. Please delete what you write, and do something else that worthwhile.
you're kidding me, right? I thought you talked too much. at least more than I did.
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旧 Dec 27th, 2006, 23:58   只看该作者   #105
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"一个agent是那么做?"agent作啥了?你能说明白点吗?
我意思120是高的, 80 还可以, 但不算高的, 前面有作payroll箮.
大概你是只喜欢自己发贴, 不喜欢别人回你的贴。

不好意思, 打搅了。 你继续发言, 我只看不说了。估计这几句话我说明白了吧
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旧 Dec 27th, 2006, 23:58   只看该作者   #106
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我对contract工作很有兴趣,不过看了半天,并没有看到很具体的描述。

目前看来:
1。contract要偏门才好,不过真偏了,那就是要么撑死要么饿死-----谁能保证自己不是被饿死的一个?
2。contract对综合能力要求极高,要语言好,社交强,技术也过得去才行,否则人家不肯跟你合作,吃了上顿没下顿。
3。对agent依赖性比较大。大家都是牛人,牛人肯定有牛脾气,没有个agent主持分赃,谁服谁啊?
4。要经常找工作,不过假期也多。

结论:风险太大,高端需求太少,不值得冒险,除非万不得已。
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旧 Dec 28th, 2006, 00:42   只看该作者   #107
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我对contract工作很有兴趣,不过看了半天,并没有看到很具体的描述。

目前看来:
1。contract要偏门才好,不过真偏了,那就是要么撑死要么饿死-----谁能保证自己不是被饿死的一个?
2。contract对综合能力要求极高,要语言好,社交强,技术也过得去才行,否则人家不肯跟你合作,吃了上顿没下顿。
3。对agent依赖性比较大。大家都是牛人,牛人肯定有牛脾气,没有个agent主持分赃,谁服谁啊?
4。要经常找工作,不过假期也多。

结论:风险太大,高端需求太少,不值得冒险,除非万不得已。
这个问题,我觉得是这个样子,contractor的薪水比permanent高,但不会高到不合理的程度,一般来说,半年的contractor薪水比半年的permanent高50%。这样扣除到你自己需要交的CPP, EI,以及给自己买的各种保险,就去百分之十几,剩下的就是你多赚的,当然了,一般来说,作为contrator,你应该incorporated或者self-employeed,这样你很多费用可以被抵扣不用缴税,比如说培训,车的费用。

说到风险,contractor的风险的确大,可换句话说,正常情况下,如果是3个月的contractor就决不会只高50%,而一年的contractor比permanent只高35%左右也是正常的。

另外,所谓的偏门,怎么去理解这个偏门,我觉得每个人都有不同的看法的。打个比方说,一个senior j2ee developer, 做半年的contrator,估计也就是50-70左右的水平,但这种工作并不是很难找,收入却不是那么理想。但如果2005/2006 他以senior portal developer的身份出现,那么100块左右也是可能的,那么这中间有多大的区别呢?我觉得半个月的培训加上4个月的portal经验就完全可以,当然,有人会说,4个月算什么senior,尽管从vignette第一个portal server到现在已经不少时间了,但请别忘记jsr168 speicification 的final release什么时候才有的?当然,如果根本就不是senior j2ee developer出身,你就是干上半年是否能算senior的portal developer也不好说。当然,与此同时的问题就是这种机会可能不如J2EE DEVELOPER那么多,那么很有可能你干完了一个PORTAL的项目,然后回来又的干J2EE的项目。

简单的说,作CONTRACTOR,一要有平常心,能赚的时候就赚,找不到项目,不是特别赚钱的东西也的干,学偏门的东西不代表放弃基础的东西, 谁的基础扎实,谁的风险就小。 二是要随时提高自己,新东西能要个好价钱的时间并不长,从这点上来说,谁接受新东西快,谁赚大钱的机会就多。

我来加拿大2年半,先后换了三家公司,干了2个CONTRACTOR和工作,两个PERMANENT的工作,并不是什么偏门的工作,基本上都是比较大路的技术,只是有些比较特殊的产品,有这种产品工作经验的人不多,或者说人家不屑于在这个水平上我这个移民竞争,技术工作上,感觉和中国区别不大,当然,我英语不大好,这是一个比较大的障碍,不知道谁有什么好办法提高英语的?

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旧 Dec 28th, 2006, 01:40   只看该作者   #108
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这个问题,我觉得是这个样子,contractor的薪水比permanent高,但不会高到不合理的程度,一般来说,半年的contractor�...
我很客观看待你这个contractor工作挣钱多的问题,上来随便讲讲, 没想到一帮眼红的上来敲板砖, 呵呵, 老哥, 我眼红在心里,付出的是行动, 不定那天我也干contractor去了, 到时候念在我是你的拥趸者和我好好交流呀.
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我很客观看待你这个contractor工作挣钱多的问题,上来随便讲讲, 没想到一帮眼红的上来敲板砖, 呵呵, 老哥, 我眼红圮..
客气了,有空大家互相交流.

至于所谓的板砖,有空就拍拍,没空就光看看热闹.
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旧 Dec 28th, 2006, 01:55   只看该作者   #110
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问题是这个senior j2ee developer 为啥要去做半年的contrator,是为了那半年多赚些钱,还是当时失业了,碰巧找到了这么一个职位?

我个人感觉一个良好的工作环境还是挺重要的,不过环境好也会加重个人的惰性。而作为一个contrator,对环境则无须那么在乎(反正也干不了几天),但是经常要去适应新环境,经常要去找工作,心理压力还是不小的。新东西很多,能学到点上,并且能拿到机会的可能性实在不大。一切都跟赌博一样,有赚的,也有赔的。
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问题是这个senior j2ee developer 为啥要去做半年的contrator,是为了那半年多赚些钱,还是当时失业了,碰巧找到了这乮..
一般来说,是这个senior j2ee developer在作permanent的时候接触了一些比较先进的东西,凑巧,市场又很缺这个,比如说,作senior j2ee permenant, 80k, senoior j2ee developer contractor 65/hour, 但作permanent期间接受了sap portal的培训,又有了半年工作经验,这是良好的工作经验给了你潜在的赚钱的机会,但怎么把它转换成货币,还要看你自己。
比如说这时候sap portal developer的contractor offer是120/hour,半年,你干不干? 90/hour你干不干?

当然了,这个东西是因人而异的,对很多移民来说,加拿大是终生归宿,有个稳定的工作也不错,但对我来说,加拿大只是一个暂时的停靠站点,稳定不稳定无所谓,只要工作我喜欢,钱多就好. 不过严格的说,IT这个行业,哪有什么稳定的工作.
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一般来说,是这个senior j2ee developer在作permanent的时候接触了一些比较先进的东西,凑巧,市场又很缺这个,比如说...
你这个例子很说明问题,也就是说contractor基本上是暂时性的工作,这儿有个90的,就奔这儿来了,那边有个120的,又奔那边去了,这要求你没有家庭拖累,最好是单身,否则你的孩子没有较稳定的社会关系,你的老婆也没法工作。多伦多相对稳定些,不过竞争也激烈,在卡城能拿到的钱,多伦多就不给,很多人排队等着呢。
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you're kidding me, right? I thought you talked too much. at least more than I did.
Delete what you say about me, then go back to work. Clear now?
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旧 Dec 28th, 2006, 19:25   只看该作者   #114
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Delete what you say about me, then go back to work. Clear now?
老杨, 紧张啥? 那个收入招不来贼和红眼.
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旧 Dec 28th, 2006, 20:03   只看该作者   #115
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Delete what you say about me, then go back to work. Clear now?
you can't command me do anything. if you thought you can, I tell you that you were wrong.
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旧 Dec 28th, 2006, 20:04   只看该作者   #116
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by the way, I don't know how much you make. I even don't know you. all right?
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旧 Dec 28th, 2006, 20:07   只看该作者   #117
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老杨, 紧张啥? 那个收入招不来贼和红眼.
he is a little bit nervous about his job. he is a nice guy.
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旧 Dec 28th, 2006, 20:13   只看该作者   #118
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he is a little bit nervous about his job. he is a nice guy.
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旧 Dec 28th, 2006, 20:19   只看该作者   #119
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you can't command me do anything. if you thought you can, I tell you that you were wrong.
I don't care what you do. But don't talk about me.
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