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President2004 · Jul 7th, 2010, 01:27

十分羡慕。请教老鸟：NIKON 系列里什么头能达到这个效果？

oyeahbb · Jul 7th, 2010, 08:51

这锐度，真让人眼馋啊！！

蓝魔 · Jul 14th, 2010, 10:52

请教一下这个镜头跟 85mm 1.2 或者 85mm 焦段镜头的使用对比?

Amazon 上对这个镜头的评价是一面倒, 50 个 reviews 全都是 5 星的, 很不简单, 一个 4 星的都没有,　看来所有人对他们买到的这个镜头都满意.

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-135mm-US...DateDescending

蓝魔 · Jul 14th, 2010, 12:30

这个镜头我只照过一张相片, 感觉上跟 50 1.4 的锐度差不多, 但从其它人的 reviews 来看, 远远超过 70-200mm 小白, 跟 85mm 1.2 差不多而且聚焦更快, Bokeh 的效果不同.

A fellow photo fan recommended this lens to me, and said that it was so sharp, I should forget about zoom. Instead, I should take shots and crop to achieve different compositions, and he was so right.

I also tested 85 at f2 and this 135 at f2, and aharpness of both lens is also about the same to me. The wrinkles, brows, freckles are all crisp.

The 85 is also noticeably slower in autofocusing (at same f2)

I already own an excellent copy of Canon's 70-200 f/2.8 zoom so I was curious to see how the 135 L would compare with a 1.4 TC installed. The 135 is MUCH sharper and has noticeably better IQ (image quality) from f/2.8 to f/8--so much sharper that I am considering selling the 70-200.

I also have a 70-200mm f/2.8 L lens and that just wasn't fast enough to handle these fast indoor sports. This gives me the speed I need and delivers great sharpness and lovely bokeh as well.

I own the Canon 100mm f2.8 Macro, Canon 24-105mm f4L, and the Canon 70-200mm f2.8L lenses. The Canon 135mm f2L blows them all away. If there is such a thing as a perfect lens, this its it. Images are clear, sharp, beautiful bohek, and they pop. At f2.0 it is as good as any other lens I use -- at 2.8 and above it is unmatched. I would find it hard to believe there is a better quality lens. If you buy this lens, you will not be dissapointed other than with the other lenses in your bag.

I've been used to using zooms--and L zooms at that. I thought they were wonderful. I loved them. I never thought I'd want for more. However, this lens really drives home the difference between primes and zooms. The performance of the 135 is nothing short of stunning. I had read the reviews of people using this lens and then marveling at the results. I thought this was quaint, and a result of "lens placebo." But after seeing what this lens produced for me, I knew all the gushing was true. I then took comparison shots with this lens and my 70-200 f/4L. The results were quite convincing: sharpness and color produced by the 135 are definitely on another level than the 70-200 f/4L (and I won't even talk about bokeh because of the f/2 vs. f/4 difference). Since I bought the 135, I haven't put the 70-200 on my camera except to make the comparison shots.

I sold my 70-200 4.0L lens in order to get this lens and I am very happy with my decision.

Downside: Not as handholdable as the 50,35 1.4 or the 85 1.2 during low light situations due to it's focal length.

10-22 · Jul 14th, 2010, 13:10

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作者: e39m03

这个镜头我只照过一张相片, 感觉上跟 50 1.4 的锐度差不多, 但从其它人的 reviews 来看, 远远超过 70-200mm 小白, 跟 85mm 1.2 差不多而且聚焦更快, Bokeh 的效果不同.

A fellow photo fan recommended this lens ...

佳能EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM既霸道又亮骚，不过也并非所有的佳友一族都迷恋他那傲人的顶级大光圈，不少更务实者便将择选的目光投向了EF 135mm f/2L USM。这对同门镜头相比，二者间可谓各有所长，EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM具有高锐度和非凡的弱光适用性能，EF 135mm f/2L USM则焦程更长拥有着更便捷的视觉裁切条件和更自然柔顺的背景渐变效果。
　　EF 135mm f/2L USM被誉为是“佳能门内最具性价比的顶级远摄定焦镜头”，当然，对于多数普通影友而言其身价已不算便宜。这支镜头的光学构成为10片8组，其间含有2片UD超低色散镜片以确保色差矫正的完美性，他体重750克，体积为82.5×112mm，其最近对焦距离为0.9m。不要认为EF 135mm f/2L USM的亮骚指数不够，其实他没有像EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM那样为了追求一味的光圈优势而牺牲了性价比和便携性，这反倒使其拥有了更好的亲和力和普及能力。
　　EF 135mm f/2L USM的优势在于去营造绝佳的焦外渐变效果，实拍显示他具有精密的前后景深控制能力，特别是在人像摄影中其背景虚化清新圆润，被摄主体视觉跃出自然有力并具有极强的立体感。他还具有极佳的色彩再现效果，色阶丰沛却绝无混沌感，色调纯澈明快，赏心悦目。对于专业人像镜头而言，锐度指标往往并不是第一要务，焦外表现、立体润饰能力、灰阶细腻度、以及色差矫正效果等才是更具价值的光学技术项目。
　　更资深的职业摄影师们通常喜欢用“德味”这两个字来表述一支光学镜头的特质能力和性能高度，而EF 135mm f/2L USM就较好地诠释了“德味”光学鲜而不艳、魅而不娇的影像格调。同时，传统德系镜头惯有的那种色彩"忧郁感”却被EF 135mm f/2L USM所摈弃，他将日系光学产品明朗纯澈的特质与经典的“德味”光学感受进行了一次完美融合。更直白地讲，EF 135mm f/2L USM在缔造最完美焦外效果的同时，也对光学领域备受推崇的“德味”概念成功地进行了一次新的诠释。

这个评价有点放毒的感觉
我个人体会随后奉上供摄友们指正

大头P · Jul 15th, 2010, 15:05

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作者: President2004

十分羡慕。请教老鸟：NIKON 系列里什么头能达到这个效果？

NIKON 135mm F2 DC

http://www.chinasmile.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=469515

bugu · Jul 15th, 2010, 15:27

C家好象还有个１３５／F２.８带柔焦效果的头，老兄人像大师怎么评价？客人又喜不喜欢那柔焦效果？

10-22 · Jul 17th, 2010, 17:38

在N年前柔焦曾经风靡一时，柔焦镜头，柔焦镜，柔光纱，丝袜和呵气都上了，可谓是各显神通，那也是在当时那个时代的特定趣味产物，毕竟改革开放得给人们的新鲜事太多了：如梦似幻的效果

现在人们似乎更崇尚自然点的效果，对过去的柔光镜效果有点不太感冒了
就我拍的客户反应来看：（全西人客户，不反映华人状态）

1）大多数男人不在乎柔化不柔化，威猛且自信即可

2）女人爱美些，女人像用柔化不外乎是对付皱纹，又依据我和公司后期技术人员（柔化控制环节）的聊天了解到，她们的不同反应可分几种：
一，希望适度柔化面部但是不能丧失细节这多集中于50以下的女士，

二，50岁以上的女士，多数都是拍照送朋友子女，能接受小度柔化，“看着像现在的自己”是重点要求。

曾收过数次投诉---“我怎么看着比我女儿还年轻啊，退钱！！！！”“我的脸看着像塑胶皮（国内的那种磨皮糖水片）”

三，30-40左右的女士更在乎肤色，能看到这个年龄下的职业自信，最好不显皱纹

四，30以下的基本不用做任何处理，皮肤相当好 20岁以下更好，她们更关注光效和照片的趣味性

总结：轻量适度柔化，保留细节，不可过度
柔焦镜头的效果略微有点过度，而且柔化范围较大，囊括了背景

个人建议，不考虑柔焦镜头，后期软件适当处理即可

我这样理解bugu觉得对吗？

xmlhttprequest · Jul 17th, 2010, 20:16

个人感觉 -- 柔化应该尽量靠前期化妆，尽量不靠镜头或后期 ps...

化妆本身已然是一门大学问，有太多不同风格可以让被拍主体选择 ---- 而且是交互式的。

纸上谈兵而已。

10-22 · Jul 17th, 2010, 23:03

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作者: xmlhttprequest

个人感觉 -- 柔化应该尽量靠前期化妆，尽量不靠镜头或后期 ps...

化妆本身已然是一门大学问，有太多不同风格可以让被拍主体选择 ---- 而且是交互式的。

纸上谈兵而已。

那当然，又是一笔花费啊

deanelin · Jul 17th, 2010, 23:25

135L 那可是佳能必备的头啊，佳能3个进世界19个顶级镜头里面的一个，不过比起其他两个85L和 200L来说价钱就白菜价了。。。。。不过如果不是FF的机身，用起来有点长。。。

deanelin · Jul 17th, 2010, 23:30

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作者: ChinaSmileJoe

就是太重，端着时间长了累得慌。

2470就是外变焦，感觉有点抽风筒。。。佳能的2470也该快出新的了吧？

deanelin · Jul 17th, 2010, 23:33

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作者: 10-22

还是你同情我啊
要是你成年端着小白的话，你就不会这样说了

哈哈哈哈哈哈

去走skyline trail的时候想拍动物，捧着isxb+1.4x 走了近10 kms，上面还插着580，一趟下来手和脖子快断了...

10-22 · Jul 18th, 2010, 02:12

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作者: deanelin

去走skyline trail的时候想拍动物，捧着isxb+1.4x 走了近10 kms，上面还插着580，一趟下来手和脖子快断了...

想象一下一年九个月都背着这玩意的感觉！

xmlhttprequest · Jul 18th, 2010, 09:27

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作者: 10-22

想象一下一年九个月都背着这玩意的感觉！

平常我也是 5D2 + ISXB + 电池手柄，背上包里 580 + 1740 + 2470 备用。
这些都好说，真正恐怖的是 hiking 到前不着村后不着店的地方女儿说 “爸比抱~~~~”

xmlhttprequest · Jul 18th, 2010, 09:34

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作者: 10-22

那当然，又是一笔花费啊

我是买了 n 多本肖像 / 布光 / posing 的书以后，才知道前期之前还有前期，（基本摄影技术明白以后）前期的前期相对更重要...
欲哭无泪袅...

六成新 · Jul 18th, 2010, 10:47

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作者: xmlhttprequest

我是买了 n 多本肖像 / 布光 / posing 的书以后，才知道前期之前还有前期，（基本摄影技术明白以后）前期的前期相对更重要...
欲哭无泪袅...

能说一下，前期的前期是什么吗？会不会有出生前基因要正确，生产要顺利，智力发育要达到基本水平等等，还有人类文化得有一定的积累，哈哈，开个玩笑。请分享你的经验。

xmlhttprequest · Jul 18th, 2010, 11:48

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作者: 七成新

能说一下，前期的前期是什么吗？会不会有出生前基因要正确，生产要顺利，智力发育要达到基本水平等等，还有人类文化得有一定的积累，哈哈，开个玩笑。请分享你的经验。

还别说，基因什么的还真有影响 --

内心独白：
“ 这娃儿真白，早知道不用带 2.8 了，IS 都可以省..."
" 瞅人这鼻子长的多学问，省了一盏灯..."

torontolove · Jul 18th, 2010, 12:23

哇，离婚2次了吧

不幸福的人儿

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前期之前还有前期

六成新 · Jul 18th, 2010, 12:32

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作者: xmlhttprequest

平常我也是 5D2 + ISXB + 电池手柄，背上包里 580 + 1740 + 2470 备用。
这些都好说，真正恐怖的是 hiking 到前不着村后不着店的地方女儿说 “爸比抱~~~~”

那你就啥也不说了，放下所有，单单抱起无价之宝的女儿回村或回店。

只是最好HIKING前告诉我一声，我跟在后面.................

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蓝魔 Senior Gear 注册日期: Jan 2008 帖子: 10,896 积分:66 精华:18 声望: 2341126	请教一下这个镜头跟 85mm 1.2 或者 85mm 焦段镜头的使用对比? Amazon 上对这个镜头的评价是一面倒, 50 个 reviews 全都是 5 星的, 很不简单, 一个 4 星的都没有,　看来所有人对他们买到的这个镜头都满意. http://www.amazon.com/Canon-135mm-US...DateDescending
	Never argue with an idiot. He will consistently drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

Jul 14th, 2010, 12:30	只看该作者 #44
蓝魔 Senior Gear 注册日期: Jan 2008 帖子: 10,896 积分:66 精华:18 声望: 2341126	引用一些用户反馈这个镜头我只照过一张相片, 感觉上跟 50 1.4 的锐度差不多, 但从其它人的 reviews 来看, 远远超过 70-200mm 小白, 跟 85mm 1.2 差不多而且聚焦更快, Bokeh 的效果不同. A fellow photo fan recommended this lens to me, and said that it was so sharp, I should forget about zoom. Instead, I should take shots and crop to achieve different compositions, and he was so right. I also tested 85 at f2 and this 135 at f2, and aharpness of both lens is also about the same to me. The wrinkles, brows, freckles are all crisp. The 85 is also noticeably slower in autofocusing (at same f2) I already own an excellent copy of Canon's 70-200 f/2.8 zoom so I was curious to see how the 135 L would compare with a 1.4 TC installed. The 135 is MUCH sharper and has noticeably better IQ (image quality) from f/2.8 to f/8--so much sharper that I am considering selling the 70-200. I also have a 70-200mm f/2.8 L lens and that just wasn't fast enough to handle these fast indoor sports. This gives me the speed I need and delivers great sharpness and lovely bokeh as well. I own the Canon 100mm f2.8 Macro, Canon 24-105mm f4L, and the Canon 70-200mm f2.8L lenses. The Canon 135mm f2L blows them all away. If there is such a thing as a perfect lens, this its it. Images are clear, sharp, beautiful bohek, and they pop. At f2.0 it is as good as any other lens I use -- at 2.8 and above it is unmatched. I would find it hard to believe there is a better quality lens. If you buy this lens, you will not be dissapointed other than with the other lenses in your bag. I've been used to using zooms--and L zooms at that. I thought they were wonderful. I loved them. I never thought I'd want for more. However, this lens really drives home the difference between primes and zooms. The performance of the 135 is nothing short of stunning. I had read the reviews of people using this lens and then marveling at the results. I thought this was quaint, and a result of "lens placebo." But after seeing what this lens produced for me, I knew all the gushing was true. I then took comparison shots with this lens and my 70-200 f/4L. The results were quite convincing: sharpness and color produced by the 135 are definitely on another level than the 70-200 f/4L (and I won't even talk about bokeh because of the f/2 vs. f/4 difference). Since I bought the 135, I haven't put the 70-200 on my camera except to make the comparison shots. I sold my 70-200 4.0L lens in order to get this lens and I am very happy with my decision. Downside: Not as handholdable as the 50,35 1.4 or the 85 1.2 during low light situations due to it's focal length.

Jul 17th, 2010, 17:38	只看该作者 #48
10-22 潜伏在狼群中的羊� ��！注册日期: Jun 2008 帖子: 2,110 积分:77 精华:23 声望: 750702	谨慎使用柔焦镜头在N年前柔焦曾经风靡一时，柔焦镜头，柔焦镜，柔光纱，丝袜和呵气都上了，可谓是各显神通，那也是在当时那个时代的特定趣味产物，毕竟改革开放得给人们的新鲜事太多了：如梦似幻的效果现在人们似乎更崇尚自然点的效果，对过去的柔光镜效果有点不太感冒了就我拍的客户反应来看：（全西人客户，不反映华人状态） 1）大多数男人不在乎柔化不柔化，威猛且自信即可 2）女人爱美些，女人像用柔化不外乎是对付皱纹，又依据我和公司后期技术人员（柔化控制环节）的聊天了解到，她们的不同反应可分几种：一，希望适度柔化面部但是不能丧失细节这多集中于50以下的女士，二，50岁以上的女士，多数都是拍照送朋友子女，能接受小度柔化，“看着像现在的自己”是重点要求。曾收过数次投诉---“我怎么看着比我女儿还年轻啊，退钱！！！！”“我的脸看着像塑胶皮（国内的那种磨皮糖水片）” 三，30-40左右的女士更在乎肤色，能看到这个年龄下的职业自信，最好不显皱纹四，30以下的基本不用做任何处理，皮肤相当好 20岁以下更好，她们更关注光效和照片的趣味性总结：轻量适度柔化，保留细节，不可过度柔焦镜头的效果略微有点过度，而且柔化范围较大，囊括了背景个人建议，不考虑柔焦镜头，后期软件适当处理即可我这样理解bugu觉得对吗？此帖于 Jul 17th, 2010 18:40 被 10-22 编辑。

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deanelin Senior Member 注册日期: Jul 2004 帖子: 198 声望: 0	135L 那可是佳能必备的头啊，佳能3个进世界19个顶级镜头里面的一个，不过比起其他两个85L和 200L来说价钱就白菜价了。。。。。不过如果不是FF的机身，用起来有点长。。。
deanelin Senior Member 注册日期: Jul 2004 帖子: 198 声望: 0	喜欢流浪因为有个地方可以回去没有一种流浪可以永远不回头 http://www.flickr.com/photos/drunkenwind/

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President2004 华枫2004年自选总统注册日期: May 2005 帖子: 4,604 积分:5 精华:1	十分羡慕。请教老鸟：NIKON 系列里什么头能达到这个效果？

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bugu Senior Member 注册日期: Jan 2008 帖子: 1,274 积分:149 精华:37 声望: 596630	C家好象还有个１３５／F２.８带柔焦效果的头，老兄人像大师怎么评价？客人又喜不喜欢那柔焦效果？

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xmlhttprequest Senior Member 注册日期: Mar 2009 帖子: 487 积分:37 精华:8 声望: 8	个人感觉 -- 柔化应该尽量靠前期化妆，尽量不靠镜头或后期 ps... 化妆本身已然是一门大学问，有太多不同风格可以让被拍主体选择 ---- 而且是交互式的。纸上谈兵而已。