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旧 Feb 18th, 2010, 16:41   只看该作者   #61
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还是没耐心看完有关事件,感觉很糊涂,不想知道原委了。总之是好象是某些人要提倡捐款给什么人,有个常人没捐,结果某人不乐意了,某人认为这个常人不是常人,而应是侠女,没明着点名批评了,开火了,成了新年最火话题了。咳,啥大事呀!不就是互不认同吗,谁都是好人,就是事情没咋办好,让大家帮帮忙,愿意的就愿意,不行就算了,指责任何人都多余,尤其是被“伟人”多不好。
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旧 Feb 18th, 2010, 17:01   只看该作者   #63
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明知道这时候冒泡容易招砖,还是忍不住说一声:国人一个很感人的优良传统是向理不向人,一旦什么事情到了抛开道理本身,直奔主题奔向个人恩怨和人身攻击,那就一点意思都没有了。

我对微微这个名字是通过这场风波才注意到的,但我觉得,这里的很多ID不过是个ID,或者是爱谁谁一族,但微微居然是个地产经纪,那就是某种意义上的公众人物,偏偏又不是大款大腕,只是个也要藉此养家糊口的小人物,她在明处,很多ID在暗处,如果她确是奸恶之徒,坑谁害谁了,揭批她还有情可原,但如果她还不失为一个好人,只是和什么人有一点点小小恩怨,建议就不要在这种不对等的条件下褒贬她了吧?

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是到风波的最后我才从帖子里看到,20的原帖是提议捐款给木棉,不是给不悔,据帖子里说,是当时为了救急,让小晋先回加再说,木棉自己好像也说了,当时自己衡量了是在自己能承受的限度以内,没想到后来姐姐买房还是别的什么原因,周转发生困难,到了自己不能应对,要付高息的地步,所以不知是木棉自己还是微微还是20想起了募捐一法,大概是这个过程是吗?对不起,如果有细节错误的话,请不要再想到别的地方去,我所有掺乎此帖不过由20的问问大家的帖子起,至今还没有看到传说中的微微的抒情帖。就在知道了后面这些的时候,我已经因为表示了对木棉微微20的支持而站在了多数ID的反面,但我丝毫没有被木棉们骗了的感受,至今我不知道大家为什么对此反应这么激烈。就我个人来说,我觉得后面事情的发展不影响木棉原来的“侠”,如果非要用一个传统的中国文字来描述的话,我还是认为堪称“侠”,侠不在乎大小,正如爱原无大小爱之分,中国古语说,勿以恶小而为之,勿以善小而不为,就是直接反对恶鼓励善。我觉得能够在那种情况下,为一个明知道至少短期内没有还款能力的人临时借款几万,刷卡也好,现金也好,哪怕只是借自己的credit给对方用一下,也不是一般人能做到的,至于后面木棉自己的财政状况恶化,或者说出现了预料之外的情况,陷入了困境,或者当时想的天真了一点,想着众人拾柴火焰高,能大家帮一点,就度过难关了,或者不用支付高息,我只是觉得这个想法和采取的方式都过于简单天真了点,但或许在那种压力下,有点病急乱投医吧?或许也是想着自己能够那样去帮助别人,别人也会来帮助自己。但这种后续的发展,我不觉得影响了当时的之为“侠”,所以我不觉得自己是这边被骗了,那边又被看笑话的傻瓜。我希望能够keep住我的这种傻,能够永远多一分信任给善良。如果说要judge,我唯一的方式是自问自己能做到那样帮助人吗?不能的话,我就不得不认可她的侠,仅仅是我自己的想法。

没想到的是20的方式引起了争议,然后局外人和局内人肯定感受不一样,有些JM是局外人,说了些局外人的偏重于道理而少了些感情的话,有些JM事局内人,说了些接受不了冷漠之类的话,还有像我这样本来和谁都没过往的,说了些就事论事的话,如此而已。大家都不同程度地受了伤害,但也增加了对生活的认识,得到了新的人生体验和经验教训。我就在想着木棉的事的时候,想起了红顶商人胡雪岩的崩塌史,当然他们两人是完全不同的故事,我感慨的只是,小说是说胡的运作设定在太理想化的前提下,结果一个周转不灵,就此引发骨牌效应。而木棉以后也不该不给自己留多一些余地。不过话说回来,如果真是总想着给自己留机会留余地,那就不是木棉了,就变成了我和生活中大多数人的样子,得到帮助的人无疑会少一些的。

我无意吵架,只是想,就我个人的认识水平来说,这几个人不是坏人,纵然没有好到值得众人敬的地步,也至少没有恶需要像来福灵对付害虫一样。不管最后出现了多少不如意的事,开始这些人都是一腔热情一腔善良去帮不悔的吧?

不悔一直没有出现,我不知道你是不知道这里发生的事,还是后来你对这些朋友有些些失望想远离他们,请原谅我想到了这样不好的方面去,但这样的事生活中真不少见,不是升米恩斗米仇的故事上演,而是在极度困境中,再多一点点的失望和打击都可能会打击到信念,双方都会容易变的脆弱不自信。如果真的不幸是这样的话,大家都想想,那么困难的时刻,不就是靠着大家的努力才走到今天的吗,每个人的世界,都是因那些暗夜中的微光而温暖,将来的困难更多,就更要大家的坚强和相互爱护和关怀才能容易一些啊。

如果你还不知道这里发生的事,我希望你永远没有看到这些,毕竟,这个风波带来的美感比大家都不同程度受到的伤害少的多。

我以上所有所说,都只是表达我个人的想法,完全无意再去争论是非,有说的不合哪位JM脾气的地方,也请不要再去研讨细节,争个对错出来了。毕竟各人生活经历背景不同,认识和性格不同,要取得统一何其难也。这个事大家都累了,情绪也受了些影响,就算要继续沟通,也换个以后都好心情的时候来探讨,来日方长呢。

大家彼此宽容一些,散了吧。

祝大家在新的一年都能够比过去的一年更幸福更快乐一些。
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旧 Feb 18th, 2010, 17:14   只看该作者   #64
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旧 Feb 18th, 2010, 17:33   只看该作者   #65
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旧 Feb 18th, 2010, 18:02   只看该作者   #66
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旧 Feb 18th, 2010, 18:22   只看该作者   #73
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它就那德性,认真不用理它。
你这德性,连它都不配。
本来不想大家继续不开心,才多说句话,别给脸不要脸,想找骂不是?这就给你!
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NND,母猪吃了枪药,乱咬,蹭俺一脚屎。风紧,扯乎。
kao, 知不知道有句话, 你看别人什么样你自己就是什么样。

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真是有够CHEAP的
是有cheap的,NND的针尖大的心眼,碰上了就往死里掐
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kao, 知不知道有句话, 你看别人什么样你自己就是什么样。
靠,好好地说话找啥碴?
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靠,好好地说话找啥碴?
你要是好好说话了,就没人不好好说话了。
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你要是好好说话了,就没人不好好说话了。
你要这么说,也是你的自由。
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你这德性,连它都不配。
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