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旧 Jan 2nd, 2008, 08:27     #1
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多伦多2006年的平均房价计算通货膨胀后仍远远低于1989年的水平. 当然这有很多因素, 但我个人认为, 房子就是为了住的. 住的舒服, 供得起就完了. 靠房子挣钱, 除非是买了装修然后立刻卖, 不然不是很靠得住.

如果LD已经骗到手了, 又觉得住没窗户的地下室挺舒服的, 就大可不必买房.
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旧 Jan 4th, 2008, 11:05     #2
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其实都无太大所谓啦。如果apartment住不惯就买房。买了也是为了住的。只要买得起,就用不着在乎房价怎么走. 就算跌到一分没有,你头顶上不也有个屋顶吗。
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旧 Jan 4th, 2008, 14:03     #3
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不是吧,跌到一分钱没有,你要是贷款多于房价的话,要么补仓,要么就收房子啦,就没有屋顶啦。
所以没买房的呢,都盼着跌,买了的呢,都盼着涨。一次性付清的,太有钱了,就无所谓了。
还有这说法啊? 好像按月交钱就没问题吧。当然了,重新弄mortgage的时候就有点麻烦了.
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旧 Jan 4th, 2008, 14:10     #4
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我都见过不止一个了....觉得不在于薪水高低,而是在于对生活品质的理解. 我说的例子里,主人公家庭收入都是8-10万加元/年. 好象都是国内小地方来的人.估计国内生活不怎么样,来这里买了大房子后也不知道真正的生活应该是什么样的.比如过去的土八路吧,进城当了干部以后,还是那么土....我这么说可不是羡...
真正的生活应该是什么样子呢?
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旧 Jan 4th, 2008, 14:36     #5
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当然啦。你居然不知道这个?
比如你买房子的时候吧,这个房子100万,然后你贷款贷了80万,用这个房子作抵押。过几年,你的贷款还有60万没还清,但是房子已经跌到50万了,那银行不干啦,你老兄资不抵债啦。银行一个电话过来,就要你先补足那10万差价再说。那你立马就得那10万现钞出来,不然银行就来收房子啦...
银行应该没有这个权力。问了几个老外同事都这么说。当然了,有在银行工作的人会更懂一点。此外,银行贷款一般是五年期的,在那个时候银行就有这个权力了。
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旧 Jan 4th, 2008, 14:37     #6
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冬天25度,夏天16度。。。。
浪费电就是真正的生活吗?不明白。
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旧 Jan 4th, 2008, 14:40     #7
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至少不会是"打肿脸充胖子".
不明白,你不说是年薪十万吗?虽然不多,也不能算打肿脸充胖子吧?而且你不说他们土吗?怎么又改“打肿脸充胖子”了呢?
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i don't think you've got her point yet.
I honestly don't. At first, I thought she meant people buying houses without the necessary means. But then she said it's a life style thing. I am pretty confused by her. Did she mean that they don't have the money or they do have the money but are too 土 to spend it?
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摩卡说得对,你没明白我的意思.年薪8-10万可以买什么样的房子你知道吗?结果他们买的房子价位你知道吗?好马要配好鞍你知道吗?买了很大的房子,外头看着没什么,家里破烂家具跟古董似的,油漆都掉了, 而且摆在一间屋子里五颜六色毫无美感可言, 冬天战严寒,夏天战高温...属于:驴粪球儿,面面光",...
年薪十万买四五十万的房子没什么问题。至于什么样就不一定了。多伦多三十三万的平均房价在维多里亚只能买最烂的房子,而在圣约翰可以买4000平方英尺的豪宅。你的这些年薪十万的朋友到底买了多少钱的房子啊? 总不会是几千万的吧。
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旧 Jan 4th, 2008, 15:25     #10
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现在买房贷款,基本上都是拿房子作抵押贷款的吧。
就算别的一般的贷款也要抵押啊,没抵押?没人会贷款给你的吧。
抵押是以当时房子价格为标准。所以银行会派人来看房子,看值不值。但一但借给你,银行在贷款期内自己就要担房子降价的风险了。等合同期满,银行倒是可能拒绝再借那么钱给你。
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旧 Jan 4th, 2008, 15:27     #11
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这个。。。。。。不知道你怎么问老外同事的。
银行没有什么权力?
这个当然不是今天打电话叫你交钱,你马上就要叫出来的,也不是今天交不出,明天就来收房子的。当然是和签订的贷款合同什么有关的。但是在规定的期限内,你要是还不出钱的话,这个屋顶肯定是保不住的。
不是买了房子就可以高枕无忧的,房子是不可以...
比如你跟银行定的五年fix rate贷款。在这五年内,银行没有权力找你要合同以外的钱。
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well it seems you are extremely annoyed by the word of '土'. I don't think that's her point. What she really meant is that people do have different dif...
Well I don't disagree with you on most points, although "reasonable" can mean different things to different people. I always find it puzzling that certainly people choose certain life style for minimum financial gains. Having said that, I do think it's out of line to look down on others because of their life styles.

I am not sure Bear MM knows her own points. I certainly don't see how "好象都是国内小地方来", "估计国内生活不怎么样", "不知道真正的生活应该是什么样的", "过去的土八路" support her points. I am not annoyed, I am just puzzled.
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看到我说的那些你还是没弄明白.那么我可以肯定我说的话触到你的痛处了. 你也好似我说的那几个主人公一样生活吗?要不然我实在看不出来为什么你在这里没完没了的把主题放在收入-房子价位上.再去体会体会什么是"好马配好鞍".
收入-房子价位决定你的point. 你觉得挺好的马非要用纯金的鞍子压得跑不快呢, 还是买不起好鞍就别买好马呢?两种完全不同的points, 前一个是生活态度问题,后一个同时又有财务计划问题,我只不过弄不明白你的观点究竟是哪个而已。
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ok,那么5年到了,象你自己说的,房子一分钱也不值了,你怎么办?你还有那么多贷款没还上呢,你总不至于认为银行或者说你的债主会因为现在你的房子一分钱都不值了,就不要你还钱了吧。
当然要还,所以我说需要续贷款的时候就麻烦了。我同意你跟美熊的说法,我一开始没考虑到这点。我就是指出你没有必要在合同期内补仓。同时,你可以借三十年的贷款来避免这个问题。(美国很普遍,加拿大似乎不是很多,但据说也有)。
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算了,你天资迟钝,不懂就不懂吧,我不会歧视脑子慢的人,因为那也不是你的错.
恐怕我碰到你的痛处了吧? 其实也没什么啦。你无非就是笑话别人土而已。加拿大这个地方言论自由,爱说啥说啥呗。
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错了错了,你还没有修炼到那个本领可以让我心痛的.拜托你不要自我感觉太好了. 我也没不让你说啊.你那么敏感干什么呀.
别着急,回去再仔细看看,我是让你随便说。只不过有话就明明白白说,别说走了嘴自己再往回圆。

连personal attack都用上了,心还没痛呢就急吃白脸的,这心要痛啦还了的么?

你要是没别的观点可说了就到此为止吧。小姑娘家骂人不好。其实我挺同意你说的有些东西。只不过你说着说着就变味了而已。就跟说移民应该融入主流社会没错,但要是说移民都是小国来的,一脸穷相,土,没有审美标准,etc. etc. etc. 就没什么意思了。各人有各人的生活方式。我有个朋友,家财百万(现在不算什么了,当年在中国人圈子里可是大款),但仍然辛辛苦苦地经营小本生意,一天工作十五六个小时。我觉得他们太累了。可是他们说累了一天,回到家,数一数今天赚了多少,那个美啊。我是不能适应他们的生活方式的,但我也尊重他们的选择。就像天龙八部的慕容复和阿碧,最后虽然凄惨,也未必不各得其所。

我给楼主的建议也是量力而行,因需而动,房子就是要住得舒服。增值,收入都在其次。如果要买第二套房子,再考虑那些东西不迟。
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千万不要误导大家,这话可是你自己说的,不是我说的.
LOL. 好,好,我说的。行了吧? 

另外谢谢提醒房贷的问题,我确实没想到。
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我没用personal attach啊.也没骂人啊.我不过就是说出事实而已呀. 要不然你怎么不懂我和摩卡姐姐说的话呢?
哦。是么。我怎么觉得你跟你摩卡姐姐说的味道那么不一样呢?我可没驳她。

好啦。你爱怎么说就怎么说吧。
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你回复楼主的帖子观点我不管,我其实一开始也没和你说话,我是回复BICE的帖子.你不是自己非要进来找我理论吗? 所以我就解释一下.摩卡姐姐也解释了...可惜你不明白呀. 还转移话题,企图把污水往我身上泼. 小姑娘我也许没有你老谋深算,但是智商不会比你低. 你那小花招儿还是留着算计别人好了.
LOL, 隔着个网,算计小姑娘你干什么啊?另外,我到底是老谋深算啊,还是脑子比较慢啊?
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知道不知道"狡猾的狐狸永远骗不过聪明的猎人"? 你是老谋深算,但是不够聪明,至少没我聪明. 算了,咱俩也不要争论了,其实就是鸡毛蒜皮的小事情,大家都有自己观点看法.但是我不希望你再误导别人,往别人身上泼脏水. 我欣赏骑士风度的人,虽然我是MM, 但是要斗我就喜...
我没觉得自己误导别人, 或者往别人身上泼脏水. 帖子都在那儿呢, 大家自己都看得见, 我就算想泼也没法泼啊. 

算啦, 斗个什么劲啊. 其实最土的就是这帮在国外的人, 而且来得越早的一般越土. 现在国内的小孩一个个潇洒得要命. 比你再小一伐的人来就会雇人铲雪了. 
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