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旧 Oct 5th, 2009, 14:24   只看该作者   #41
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也是领导啊,

我天天挤公交,命苦啊
多好啊!

上车就睡, 睡醒就到!
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旧 Oct 5th, 2009, 14:25   只看该作者   #42
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好象不赞同老狼, 就好象自扁自己是的.

不过国内这些喝过洋濹水的所谓经济学家们, 本人确实认为不怎么地. 老狼发表的那些文章, 如果不是迎合老洋的口味, 在西方杂志上发表的门都没有. 就象老张的电影, 这边的中国菜, 老外就好这一口, 有什么办法呢.

幸亏中国领导人没有听这些的媚外的经济...
站在 巨人 的 肩上, 给他 两耳光。 狡猾狡猾的。


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旧 Oct 5th, 2009, 14:34   只看该作者   #43
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站在 巨人 的 肩上, 给他 两耳光。 狡猾狡猾的。
这边的大师和神们, 不炒中国A股许多年了. 他们完全不知道这些所谓的经济学家们怎么回事. 他们只要一出来喊, 必有一批人要倒霉. 这回看来是要把中国的股市砸下来, 为西方利益团体服务了.

不过当今的中国领导人很会利用这些西方人的喉舌, 完全不要担心!
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旧 Oct 5th, 2009, 14:36   只看该作者   #44
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昨天太可惜了,有票都没去成。

虽然对郎教授了解不多,但看过一些他的文章,个人非常认同; 站的高度和角度:只能说佩服佩服!

听老姚这么一说,我就更后悔了。

赠票吧!
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旧 Oct 5th, 2009, 14:38   只看该作者   #45
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记不清楚了, 好像 是 一 国人 在 滑铁卢 写的 一篇 论文, 提出 了 一 个 泡泡机 理论, 被 认为 是 本次 萧条 发生 的 根源。

这人 好像 回国 隐居了。
不 算 得 志 的 那种。
是不是 这个 朗教授啊?
No, it's this guy. working for CIC now.

http://www.thespec.com/News/BreakingNews/article/532182

有人向我挑战,我不回话,只是疾驰而去,然后放马后炮打倒他!
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也是领导啊,

我天天挤公交,命苦啊
你家领导肯定拿到了staff discount, 别人买RAV4的钱, 您可以买汗难得. 

Price is what you pay. Value is what you get.
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原来都在这儿热闹呢
虽然说姚股神是我们疯儿街的招牌, 也另猪猪十分佩服, 可是猪猪还得多说两句
股神在和高手们过招的时候, 稍微HUMBLE一点就更好了, 否则, 这疯儿街的高手都一个个离开就没意思了, 猪猪想起来东山兄弟的离开了
东山兄的贴子, 我正准备找几个整时间, 从头到尾地读几遍就自删了, 好可惜啊. 少了一个学饿破神的机会!

哎,死神就是神, 决不允许你拜假神.

没有办法了, 自麼吧!
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A description of the Gaussian copula function from an article in Wired magazine by Felix Salmon:

Consider something simple, like a kid in an elementary school: Let's call her Alice. The probability that her parents will get divorced this year is about 5 per cent, the risk of her getting head lice is about 5 per cent, the chance of her seeing a teacher slip on a banana peel is about 5 per cent, and the likelihood of her winning the class spelling bee is about 5 per cent. If investors were trading securities based on the chances of those things happening only to Alice, they would all trade at more or less the same price.

But something important happens when we (also look at) the girl she sits next to, Britney. If Britney's parents get divorced, what are the chances that Alice's parents will get divorced, too? Still about 5 per cent: The correlation there is close to zero. But if Britney gets head lice, the chance that Alice will get head lice is ... about 50 per cent – which means the correlation is probably up in the 0.5 range. If Britney sees a teacher slip on a banana peel, what is the chance that Alice will see it, too? ... It could be as much as 95 per cent, which means the correlation is close to 1. And if Britney wins the spelling bee, the chance of Alice winning it is zero, which means the correlation is negative: -1.

If investors were trading securities based on the chances of these things happening to both Alice and Britney, the prices would be all over the place, because the correlations vary so much.

Math whiz proposed applying this statistical formula to credit risk, and financial meltdown

March 18, 2009
Torstar News Service
Former University of Waterloo statistician David X. Li didn't burn down the American economy. He just supplied the matches.

As economists and market watchers cast about for people to blame for the U.S. market meltdown, Li has surfaced as a scapegoat. Recently, Wired magazine ran an article on Li's work subtitled, "The Formula That Killed Wall Street."

The formula in question is the so-called Gaussian copula function. On the most basic level, the formula allows statisticians to model the behaviour of several correlated risks at once.

In a scholarly paper published in 2000, Li proposed the theorem be applied to credit risks, encompassing everything from bonds to mortgages. This particular copula was not new, but the financial application Li proposed for it was.

Disastrously, it was just simple enough for untrained financial analysts to use, but too complex for them to properly understand. It appeared to allow them to definitively determine risk, effectively eliminating it. The result was an orgy of misspending that sent the U.S. banking system over a cliff.

"To say David brought down the market is like blaming Einstein for Hiroshima," says Prof. Harry Panjer, Li's mentor at the University of Waterloo. "He wasn't in charge of the financial world. He just wrote an article."

When David X. Li first arrived from China in 1987, he was known as Xiang Lin Li. He already held a masters in economics from Tianjin's Nankai University. He was one of a group of the faculty there who won a scholarship to study business in Canada through CIDA. In order to claim his prize at Montreal's Laval University, Li was given four months to master French.

"We were all highly motivated," says Jie Dai, who was in the program with Li. "He was from a small town in the south of China. A small family, very ordinary, not poor or rich. There wasn't anything distinguished about his personality."

Li graduated with an MBA in 1991. Most of his Chinese classmates were bound for academia. Li saw a more worldly future. Says Dai: "I clearly remember him mention that if you are an actuarial guy, you can earn a lot more money."

Li had recently married a colleague from Nankai when he decided to study at Waterloo's department of statistics and actuarial sciences. He was drawn by the work of Panjer, a world leader in the study of loss modelling, especially as it applies to the world of insurance.

"He had the ability to take ideas from different fields and synthesize them," Panjer says.

In Waterloo, Li lived the hand-to-mouth life of a grad student. He anglicized his name. He and Panjer became close, and still correspond. Over six years, he earned his third masters and a PhD.

After graduation in 1997, Li taught briefly. He worked for CIBC World Markets. But his ambition quickly drove him to New York. He tore up the corporate ladder. By 2000, he was a partner in J.P. Morgan's RiskMetrics unit, trying to find ways to leverage a new generation of risk-based financial assets.

His breakthrough was an article published that year entitled, "On Default Correlation: A Copula Function Approach."

Many of the ideas contained within it were drawn from statistics research Li had observed firsthand at Waterloo. His insight was to transfer the work to financial models.

Li's model sidestepped the problem of trying to correlate all the variables that determine risk. Instead, it based its assumptions on the historical dips and swells of the market itself. In essence, Li used the past to map the future.

"It was a very simple mathematical answer almost anyone could use," Panjer says "And when you've got a hammer, everything suddenly looks like a nail. They jumped on it."

Through the lens of Li's theorem, even the shakiest investments suddenly looked viable. The Gaussian cupola created the sort of financial alchemy that made high-risk mortgages and credit card debt look like triple-A rated gold.

Money poured into CDSs (credit default swaps), a financial device that acts as an insurance policy against defaults. By the end of 2007, the total investment in credit default swaps had swelled to $62 trillion (U.S.), a 6,700 per cent increase in only six years.

Li didn't make money directly off the idea, but it made him famous.

Maybe he sensed the danger inherent in the system he'd help establish. By 2005, Li was among those warning about the limitations of his model. "The most dangerous part is when people believe everything coming out of (the model)," he told The Wall Street Journal.

What Li's theorem could not do was predict what might happen in extreme economic environments, what experts call "tail dependency." And one was arriving.

The 2008 collapse of the U.S. housing bubble rendered Li's model useless. Defaults that the model had not predicted piled up, rippling through U.S. banks and wiping out trillions of dollars in investment.

But Li's colleagues say he's not to blame. "We have a saying in statistics, `All models are wrong, but some are useful,'" says Panjer. "He supplied something, a tool kit, for financial analysts. They took one small part of it and used it in ways he had never intended."

Li since moved to Beijing, where he heads the risk management department for the China International Capital Corp., a major investment bank. He has not commented on the meltdown or his role in it.
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一点更正:
所毕业的拉瓦勒大学不在满地可 在圣福瓦(魁北克郊外)
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研读了一遍,觉得郎先生说的中国正确的发展道路应该是

人民币升值/美元贬值——狂买美元——用美元狂买黄金——黄金狂涨——美元狂贬——美国政府狂救美元——美元狂升——人民币回到原位——完成一个循环。
如此往复循环,直到全世界的黄金都被中国买光,然后爆发世界大战,重新分配黄金,黄金分配不了,就重新分配人口。。。。。。

有人和我的观点一样吗?欢迎探讨哈。

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研读了一遍,觉得郎先生说的中国正确的发展道路应该是

人民币升值/美元贬值——狂买美元——用美元狂买黄金——美元狂贬——美国政府狂救美元——美元狂升——人民币回到原位——完成一个循环。
如此往复循环,直到全世界的黄金都被中国买光,然后爆发世界大战,重新分配黄金,黄金分配不了,就重新分配人口。。...
问题是,如果我们(中国)买黄金的话,黄金就会大跌啊:在期货市场就会被高盛玩死丫的,中航油,早期的朱冶事件等不都是这样吗?在华尔街,中国永远是砧板上的肉。听完郎咸平的演讲,感觉他的主题是:既然玩不转华尔街,就还是让人民币狂贬,刺激出口,救活制造业--主要是民营企业的制造业,从而拉动就业,进而真正拉动内需。。。
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问题是,如果我们(中国)买黄金的话,黄金就会大跌啊:在期货市场就会被高盛玩死丫的,中航油,早期的朱冶事件等不都是这样吗?在华尔街,中国永远是砧板上的肉。听完郎咸平的演讲,感觉他的主题是:既然玩不转华尔街,就还是让人民币狂贬,刺激出口,救活制造业--主要是民营企业的制造业,从而拉动就业,进而真正拉动内...
人民币贬值也不行,美国人会把石油,粮食,铁矿石的价格抄到天上去

一天想到归去但已晚
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昨天太可惜了,有票都没去成。

虽然对郎教授了解不多,但看过一些他的文章,个人非常认同; 站的高度和角度:只能说佩服佩服!

听老姚这么一说,我就更后悔了。

那你为什么不去:下次有内部票给我留一张,这样至少可以把录音带给你

现场听和看书感受又决然不同,很精彩啊
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人民币贬值也不行,美国人会把石油,粮食,铁矿石的价格抄到天上去
老野知道高盛去年和国内某上市公司的油价豪赌事件吗?
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默认 照我看应该拿出一点儿钱给老姚精确制导

保证把华尔街制得服服贴贴.
你想啊,要是拿出几个亿,三月份的时候将美股的大部分大块头CALL在地上,你们说说,华尔街还能怎么玩?

看完了,有意见您就提吧。
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老野知道高盛去年和国内某上市公司的油价豪赌事件吗?
知道啊,
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保证把华尔街制得服服贴贴.
你想啊,要是拿出几个亿,三月份的时候将美股的大部分大块头CALL在地上,你们说说,华尔街还能怎么玩?
我当时就是看到了高盛的那几个亿的call,才写出惊天大逆转的预言:问题是假设当时那几个亿的call真的是我放出去的,高盛一定会把我那几个亿先整S,然后再祭出他的几个亿,除非我和高盛站在一个战壕
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知道啊,
所以说,中国太不熟悉华尔街的游戏规则了,这么多年了,一点长进没有
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默认 俺听说过,外汇上也被一样搞过.

那只怪他们那帮人太笨.
郎说的大豆的事也是这样,都是因为国内的那帮人太笨(如果不是太笨那就是杀头的罪).
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。。。。金融海啸开始到11月的时候,有一件对美国人来讲是很可怕的事情发生了,那就是全世界投资人大量抢购黄金保值,大量钱将流入黄金市场,所以金价必涨,如果金价涨了,美元就必然狂跌,可是美国不能让美元跌,这个时候要保持美元的强势。。。。。
各位仔细都看了朗先生的帖子了吗?
我说的可都是直接引用朗先生自己的理论啊,你们现在批评俺的观点,可就是批评朗先生哈
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