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旧 Jan 16th, 2009, 21:33     #1
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默认 用TFSA炒股看来不划算

用TFSA炒股看来不划算

本来打算用TFSA账号做为操作的账号,也就为省点税。可是事与愿违。对我这个操作不频繁的人来说很吃亏,政府的税是免了,不过都交给经纪公司了。

我在questrade开户。我做美股。但是只要做成交一次。这一天就要交US$5的所谓服务费,佣金另算4.95-9.95
假如,你全年的收入是<36,020 , 税率应该是21.05%。
一回合交易(买和卖),要交questrade $10

赚 上税额度 税率 gov questrade
$100 $50 21% $11 $10
也就是说买卖一次,你不许赚取$100以上,这个TFSA才能真正的省钱。
不算不知道啊,真黑啊,纯赚$100是个容易的事嘛。
也许就不能用TFSA做频繁的交易。要赚就赚大额的。nnd

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旧 Jan 16th, 2009, 22:23   只看该作者   #2
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赚 上税额度 税率 gov questrade
$100 $50 21% $11 $10
也就是说买卖一次,你不许赚取$100以上,这个TFSA才能真正的省钱。
不算不知道啊,真黑啊,纯赚$100是个容易的事嘛。
也许就不能用TFSA做频繁的交易。要赚就赚大额的。nnd.
这么简单的事你都算不清,劝你不要频繁的交易了

我帮你算一下吧:
同样的例子
如果不用TFSA,你净挣 100-11(税)-10(手续费)=79
如果用TFSA,你净挣 100-10(手续费)=90
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旧 Jan 16th, 2009, 23:57   只看该作者   #3
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这么简单的事你都算不清,劝你不要频繁的交易了

我帮你算一下吧:
同样的例子
如果不用TFSA,你净挣 100-11(税)-10(手续费)=79
如果用TFSA,你净挣 100-10(手续费)=90...
你看明白什么意思了嘛,别的不知道,questrade还要多收你$10,如果买卖不在一天完成的,要是在一天之内做一次来回,只收$5.不过如果不是整天盯股市的,很少想一天做来回的。所以多数情况下要多交$10.

你的结论和我的正相反。

不频繁交易的,至少一个来回赚100以上,才能省税。
这个账号不适合做频繁交易,即使不频繁交易,每次要赚的多才有省税的作用。

这个账号适合长期存货,如买个潜力股,等1-2年涨个几倍的,那才真的是省税。
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旧 Jan 17th, 2009, 00:01   只看该作者   #4
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你看明白什么意思了嘛,别的不知道,questrade还要多收你$10,如果买卖不在一天完成的,要是在一天之内做一次来回,只收$5.不过如果不是整天盯股市的,很少想一天做来回的。所以多数情况下要多交$10.

你的结论和我的正相反。

不频繁交易的,至少一个来回赚100以上,才能省税。
这个...
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旧 Jan 17th, 2009, 00:45   只看该作者   #5
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你看明白什么意思了嘛,别的不知道,questrade还要多收你$10,如果买卖不在一天完成的,要是在一天之内做一次来回,只收$5.不过如果不是整天盯股市的,很少想一天做来回的。所以多数情况下要多交$10.

你的结论和我的正相反。

不频繁交易的,至少一个来回赚100以上,才能省税。这个账号适合长期存货,如买个潜力股,等1-2年涨个几倍的,那才真的是省税。
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旧 Jan 18th, 2009, 16:33   只看该作者   #6
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Don't know what LZ's point is.

TFSA can save tax for you, it has nothing to do with commission. You will have to pay commission for ANY account.
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旧 Jan 19th, 2009, 13:23   只看该作者   #7
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Don't know what LZ's point is.

TFSA can save tax for you, it has nothing to do with commission. You will have to pay commission for ANY account....
除了交佣金,还要交美元货币管理费,如果用加币做操作不存在这笔费用。

美元货币管理费是$5一天,如果交易一次,不限交易次数。
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旧 Jan 19th, 2009, 22:44   只看该作者   #8
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除了交佣金,还要交美元货币管理费,如果用加币做操作不存在这笔费用。

美元货币管理费是$5一天,如果交易一次,不限交易次数。
You are missing the point, buddy. Do you have to pay all these expenses for non-registered accounts?

If your point was, instead of trading in a TFSA, we should save money with GIC, then yes, trading overhead cost is somehting you should take into consideration.

If your point was, TFSA is worse than a regular TRADING account, then you are absolutely wrong. With everything else the same, any gain in TFSA is tax free, that means TAX FREE, period.
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旧 Jan 19th, 2009, 22:56   只看该作者   #9
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我也在犹豫开不开这个账户。我想 the point是 TFSA只让存5000,明年再5000加起来不过一万。non-registered 没有转入金上限,但有下限(1万?)。
一笔几万的交易,10刀手续费不算什么;TFSA动用5000或更少,10刀手续费比例就高了,更大可能吃掉那一点点收益,从这一点说,TFSA is worse than a regular TRADING account。。。

我也不董trading,瞎琢磨
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旧 Jan 19th, 2009, 22:59   只看该作者   #10
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默认 楼上的说法很清楚

"With everything else the same, any gain in TFSA is tax free, that means TAX FREE, period."
实际上,楼主提出这个问题很好。
本人在投资决策时很讨厌所得税问题。It's just annoying.
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不明白LZ说什么?

5000放TFSA里买卖股票和5000放普通帐号里买卖股票,那个划算,很明了啊?

至少TFSA里赚了不用上税。
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用TFSA炒股看来不划算

本来打算用TFSA账号做为操作的账号,也就为省点税。可是事与愿违。对我这个操作不频繁的人来说很吃亏,政府的税是免了,不过都交给经纪公司了。

我在questrade开户。我做美股。但是只要做成交一次。这一天就要交US$5的所谓服务费,佣金另算4.95-9.95
...
太感谢了。正想了解questrade呢。 只有等10年以后TFSA额度多了以后才可以投资股市
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不明白LZ说什么?

5000放TFSA里买卖股票和5000放普通帐号里买卖股票,那个划算,很明了啊?

至少TFSA里赚了不用上税。
But if you loss, then you cannot get deduction. In current market it is very easy to loss money. But in Bull market it is good to put money in TFSA.
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But if you loss, then you cannot get deduction. In current market it is very easy to loss money. But in Bull market it is good to put money in TFSA.
Do you open a trading account for loss?

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Do you open a trading account for loss?

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用TFSA炒股看来不划算

本来打算用TFSA账号做为操作的账号,也就为省点税。可是事与愿违。对我这个操作不频繁的人来说很吃亏,政府的税是免了,不过都交给经纪公司了。

我在questrade开户。我做美股。但是只要做成交一次。这一天就要交US$5的所谓服务费,佣金另算4.95-9.95...
什么, 你是说每一次买或卖美股, 都要额外再交US$5的服务费吗? NND, 开户时, 给Questrade打电话问了无数次关于费用问题, 他们只字未提这$5的额外Charge.
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什么, 你是说每一次买或卖美股, 都要额外再交US$5的服务费吗? NND, 开户时, 给Questrade打电话问了无数次关于费用问题, 他们只字未提这$5的额外Charge.
不是每次,对于注册账户如TFSA或RSP等,交易美股的话,每天额外收$5USD的费用,如果没有交易则不发生此项费用。用加币买TSX股票没有这笔收费。
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每天额外收$5USD的费用,如果没有交易则不发生此项费用.........

没有交易则不发生此项费用!
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