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旧 Jul 15th, 2011, 18:30   只看该作者   #41
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借宝地一问,请问Hugoo, Calgary市中心趴车方不方便,大概多少钱一天。
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借宝地一问,请问Hugoo, Calgary市中心趴车方不方便,大概多少钱一天。
很方便,到处都是停车场,就是贵,跟Toronto Downtown一个价位,可能还高点,$25-30左右吧。

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旧 Jul 15th, 2011, 22:59   只看该作者   #43
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借宝地一问,请问Hugoo, Calgary市中心趴车方不方便,大概多少钱一天。
从这里开车到卡佳丽?那么NB
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等那天有钱有时间了,就得这么干
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旧 Jul 20th, 2011, 16:36   只看该作者   #45
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等那天有钱有时间了,就得这么干
有时间是关键。钱倒不用太多。

找天气好的季节,沿着1号公路开过来,5大湖地区的路,风景漂亮极了。一路到温哥华,再从美国回去。

顺便去西雅图找发烧友买个好东东。

人生一大乐事!

发烧友、车迷和独行者
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旧 Jul 31st, 2011, 22:52   只看该作者   #46
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暂时听听这台古董(图),发行很大转盘声(大概是属于直接驱动的吧),也有电流声。

发现这2台一定行,虽然贵一点。
Denon DP-300F
PRO-JECT Debut III,但没有SHIP TO CANADA的。

这台便宜,看来也不错。
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旧 Jul 31st, 2011, 23:06   只看该作者   #47
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暂时听听这台古董,发行很大转盘声(大概是属于直接驱动的吧),也有电流声。

发现这2台一定行,虽然贵一点。
Denon DP-300F (http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi..._new?ie=UTF8&c...
下手了?

Pro-ject那台在downtown一家店有卖,价钱一样:
https://www.planetofsoundonline.com/...p?m=87878343b5
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Pro-ject那台在downtown一家店有卖,价钱一样:
https://www.planetofsoundonline.com/...p?m=87878343b5
not yet.
毕竟是淘汰的东西。看来也不太值得花这钱(买个便宜的算了),好的唱片不便宜。信噪比还是问题,转盘的声音很难克服(皮带驱动的说好点)。
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旧 Aug 1st, 2011, 13:01   只看该作者   #49
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毕竟是淘汰的东西。看来也不太值得花这钱(买个便宜的算了),好的唱片不便宜。信噪比还是问题,转盘的声音很难克服(皮带驱动的说好点)。
还有就是太麻烦,这是让我犹豫再三的唯一原因。
pchifi太方便了,黑胶听一次要搞的跟宗教仪式似的,有闲功夫的人才能享受好。
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还有就是太麻烦,这是让我犹豫再三的唯一原因。
pchifi太方便了,黑胶听一次要搞的跟宗教仪式似的,有闲功夫的人才能享受好。
今天上午就听一上午(边干家务),麻烦的是老要换。大概就20多分钟一面。
所以只能偶然玩一下,不能作为主流。
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你们这样讲,我买还是不该买呢?
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我不知道
像老广说的,人生苦短,不试试会后悔。
所以呢我最后一定会买的啦,只是现在家里外面事情一大堆,买了没时间玩是个大问题。

想起个问题,
新的碟子,录音都是数码录音吗?如果是数码录音,做成黑胶,那这种黑胶也不是100%模拟的啦?从源头都数码化了,再折腾黑胶有意义吗?
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新的碟子,录音都是数码录音吗?如果是数码录音,做成黑胶,那这种黑胶也不是100%模拟的啦?从源头都数码化了,再折腾黑胶有意义吗?
你点到了喜欢黑胶的人的穴位!

不过呢,越来越觉得,听音乐和幸福感有点像,并不是朝鲜人民不会觉得幸福!

有的时候还是糊涂点好,像你这样,怀疑这,怀疑那,对烧友来说太聪明了!

“反正我信了!” 这才是烧友的圣经!

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你点到了喜欢黑胶的人的穴位!
不过呢,越来越觉得,听音乐和幸福感有点像,并不是朝鲜人民不会觉得幸福!
有的时候还是糊涂点好,像你这样,怀疑这,怀疑那,对烧友来说太聪明了!
“反正我信了!” 这才是烧友的圣经!
不过我也没觉得不幸福啦,多怀疑,少上当,心里反而很幸福。
Google了一下,发现Analog tape recorders都已经停产了,只有二手的卖。
没查到现在的vinyl的生产程序是什么样的,数码母带出来,怎么变成黑胶呢?一定得有个D/A的步骤才行,那和直接买高清的数码文件然后自己D/A区别有多大?

当然,老版的vinyl就没这个问题。
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Analog or Digital, Which is Better
Posted on July 3, 2010 by Albro

Three Dog Night, Naturally, 1970

There have been many discussions on the merits and deficiencies of both analog and digital recording and reproduction of music. I believe that each have their place in today’s music scene. I was in the music business during the 70′s when analog ruled the recording and reproduction of sound. The Holy Grail was to record and reproduce music in the most accurate manner without distortion.

ANALOG

My first introduction to a professional recording studio was in 1969 at American Recording Company on Ventura Blvd in Studio City, CA. The producer was Richie Podolor (stage name: Richie Allen) and the Engineer was Bill Cooper. In my humble opinion, that was the best production team in the music business during the late 60′s, through the 70′s and into the 80′s. It is almost unbelievable the body of work that this team, both together and individually, created. The albums listed for American Recording Company at the allmusic.com website says it all.


Richard Podolor, American Recording Studios, 1967

My point is that I learned analog sound from the best. Richie and Bill showed me how recorded audio should sound and what the analog equipment was capable of reproducing. American Recording Company was all tube amplified (Mcintosh), mixed with an analog board (rotary pots) and recorded on tape. Many of the songs that we still hear today were recorded at American Recording Company and they all exemplify the epitome of analog sound.

I have a collection of reel to reel tapes. I play those tapes back through the Sony mixing board (discrete) and amplified by a tube amp driving vintage JBL and Altec Monitors. The sound quality is excellent. The sound is warm with a feeling of softness that lulls you into spending hours just listening. I put on the Moody Blues – “A Question of Balance”. I close my eyes and I can easily visualize the sound field (The placement and apparent location of the various instruments and vocals). Each is clearly defined and sounds warm due to the overtones and harmonics that are present within all analog processed musical waveforms. I feel relaxed and safe and I drift off to another time and place: All is right with my world.

Analog audio signals are made-up of complex sine waves. The components in the audio signal path (mic, preamp and power amp) each contribute qualities that make-up the ‘Analog Sound’. That analog sound has been described as “warm” and digital has been labeled as “Sterile”.

DIGITAL


Sony CD Walkman

In the 1990’s I was introduced to digital recording through a Sony CD Walkman. It had small transducers that were called ‘Earbuds’. This combination was portable and the sound was clean and crisp. This was great for listening to music while going about my daily activities. When I finally added a CD player to my home system I could not immediately hear any difference. This probably was do to the level at which I was listening to music. Gradually, I was indoctrinated into accepting the digital sound. This was subtle: analog sources were disappearing, trade magazines and consumer advertisements touted to benefits, and superiority, of digital sound products. Many of the professional recording studios were removing the old analog equipment and replacing it with cleaner and more ‘accurate’ digital equipment. Millions of consumers, like me, were now convinced that digital processing and reproduction of music was the new standard of quality. The mass consumer market had abandoned the old analog standard.

In my quest to satisfy my vanity and to return to the 70′s glory days of Rock-N-Roll, I began collecting professional analog audio equipment to assemble the ultimate home stereo system. I found a recording studio in Sacramento, CA that was liquidating their equipment as the owner was retiring. Among the items that I purchased was a pair of Altec 9844A studio monitors. I hung these monsters on the wall, hooked up my reel to reel tape machine and que’d up Cosby, Stills, Nash & Young – “Suite Judy Blue Eyes”. The speakers were separated by about 12 ft and I sat center about 10 ft in front. I closed my eyes and the sound field unfolded. As the song ended, I realized that I had not heard music like that since I sat in the control room at American Recording Company over 35 years ago.

When I wanted to add a multi-track tape machine to my collection, the only person I knew that was an expert on analog tape was Bill Cooper at American Recording Company. When I called him, he told me that they had switched to digital but were in the process of acquiring a tape machine from Otari as the digital recorders did not have the ‘Headroom” that tape had. The Pros were now realizing the limitations of digital processing.

I an avid reader of Mix Magazine and Sound on Sound Magazine, and when I look at the advertisements in the back, I am finding that there is a resurgence of analog and tube equipment for studios. What amazes me is the quality of sound that came from analog equipment. Recordings like Bing Cosby “White Christmas”, Beatles “Sgt. Peppers”, Jimi Hendrix “Purple Haze” were all processed using analog equipment.

Currently, I am building a studio based on the best analog equipment that was ‘state of the art’ at the time of manufacture. I have (2) RCA 77DA and (2) RCA Bk-5B microphones (circa 1940-45) Altec 9844A monitors (circa 1950′s) Ampex AG440b tape (circa 1958) and an Otari MX70 8-track 1″ tape (circa 1980), Ecoplate II plate echo(circa 1985), a Sontec MEP250 parametric equalizer (circa 1980′s) and an AKG BX20e Spring Reverb (circa 1980′s). This is by far not a complete listing of my studio equipment.

It is my belief that the quality of music provided by analog processing is superior to that of digital. That does not mean that I have abandoned all digital equipment. I still use an mp3 player, I listen to CD’s on my car stereo and I have been known to save old mono and stereo recordings to mp3. But at the end of the day when I set down and listen to the CD’s and mp3′s, they all seem to sound better through my transistor and tube processing and the 50 year old Altec speakers. We all hear through different ears. Digitally processed Rap and Hip Hop sounds great to the ears of the younger generation that has never known analog sound. My 19 year old daughter’s friends are amazed at how good their music sounds through my old analog equipment. Simply put, analog captures, and at the same time enhances, the soul of the music that digital can not.
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当然,老版的vinyl就没这个问题。
但我估计你不喜欢老版的录音,越年轻的人应该越不喜欢,不信你问问sgyyz, 喜不喜欢银圈邓丽君的录音,就声音来说。

最近单位里扔掉了一些CD,从90代到现在出的都有,我捡了些,几乎2000年前的录音,不管什么题材,我都不喜欢,声音不通透,和当今出版的录音相比!
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我不知道
像老广说的,人生苦短,不试试会后悔。
所以呢我最后一定会买的啦,只是现在家里外面事情一大堆,买了没时间玩是个大问题。

想起个问题,
新的碟子,录音都是数码录音吗?如果是数码录音,做成黑胶,那这种黑胶也不是100%模拟的啦?从源头都数码化了,再折腾黑胶有意义吗?
可能可以参考CD机后面跟个胆 buffer 来 “smooth out” “数码声” 的“理论”,黑胶,这个词儿就听上去就特有份量和韧性,还略有弹性,smooth out 材料的上佳选择。

不过模拟这个概念不能深究,因为归根到底整个世界都是数字性质的,离散性质的,海森堡80多年前发表的《不确定性原理》揭示了这个自然界的基本属性。所以即使在听黑胶,也不要忘记,唱针刮着唱片纹槽,驱动线圈在磁场里哆嗦,那个哆嗦的幅度,是有一个基本的不确定性的,是数字化的哦,黑胶也是有数字声的哦,尽管可能是跟CD不同的数字声
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可能可以参考CD机后面跟个胆 buffer 来 “smooth out” “数码声” 的“理论”,黑胶,这个词儿就听上去就特有份量和韧性,还略有弹性,smooth out 材料的上佳选择。
Hugoo 的 CD 机, 还真有个胆 buffer 作为输出 “smooth out” , 你就可以问问他的听感。
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Hugoo 的 CD 机, 还真有个胆 buffer 作为输出 “smooth out” , 你就可以问问他的听感。
听感肯定好,不用问。
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听感肯定好,不用问。

听感很差,糊,粗,不通透,我不太喜欢,现在只用做转盘。
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