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旧 Oct 19th, 2011, 16:50     #1
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Question USB sound card

创新声卡 Sound Blaster X-Fi Surround 5.1 Pro外置USB声卡 新款 .....

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FOR 电脑卡拉OK用。
好象有人说过USB的不好。

各位大狭请指点下。

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旧 Oct 19th, 2011, 19:28   只看该作者   #2
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旧 Oct 19th, 2011, 20:05   只看该作者   #3
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旧 Oct 19th, 2011, 20:44   只看该作者   #4
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  谢谢老Joe的链接,以下摘取百度百科的重要段落:

外置硬声卡采用更好的屏蔽设计,从而大幅度地提升音质。由于具有独立的供电设计,所以使得它可以完全不依赖主机充满干扰的电源输出,而且由于它具有自己独立的音频控制芯片,所以它完全可以脱离电脑作为一个独立的解码/编码设备来使用,为CD/DVD等各种设备提供支持。
  外置声卡的不足在于USB1.1的带宽严重影响了音频数据的传输;而USB2.0虽然解决了带宽问题但USB接口的优先级低于PCI接口,当系统繁忙时USB接口会因争抢不到足够的CPU时间而断续;同时由于USB共享总线的原因,当外置USB声卡与其他大数据量传输的USB设备(USB硬盘、USB光驱等)同时使用时会出现爆音现象。



以上虽然是专家论断,但我还是想纠正和补充一下:

内置声卡一样可以有很好的屏蔽设计,一样可以用独立的非板载电源的供电设计,经我的实际测试,证实电源干扰可大幅低于传统的独立变压器供电。

外置声卡的不足不只是因为优先级原因容易出现爆音现象,还有因为传输线质量,长短,屏蔽不足引起的电磁干扰,usb/firewire编码解码转换芯片和电路设计的质量,都会产生各种对最终输出音质的干扰!

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旧 Oct 19th, 2011, 21:52   只看该作者   #5
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USB Audio Class 2标准06就有了,不过M$死活不肯支持,所以直到今天市面上也没有什么产品,由此可见垄断的危害... 苹果虽然费心费力地在OS X里增加了支持,可惜硬件厂商都看Windows眼色行事,唉...
想在USB声卡上投资的,目前应该观望,也许Win8一出,风向大转,一夜之间USB Audio Class 1全遭淘汰,呵呵。

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旧 Oct 19th, 2011, 23:46   只看该作者   #6
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随便炒几段外置USB DAC 的可能问题:


为什么要用Audiophile USB cables:

The Limitations of USB cables create timing errors known as jitter, which remove portions of the audio signal and replace them with noise and distortion. Cables tend to round off the square waveforms of the signal, making them less clear to the processor, thus increasing jitter. This rounding effect varies greatly among cables and a truly superior digital audio cable can make great improvements in sound quality.


关于 drop outs when playing USB audio 的可能原因:

This might be due to different devices sharing the same USB-Hub.

If your audio and your graphics card are on the same hub, the bandwidth required by the graphics might cause the audio to stutter.

Anti-virus programs polling the internet with high priority might interrupt the audio too.
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你不是一直都以为数码线都是一样的吗?
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LZ用来唱K的, 板载声卡都可以.
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LZ用来唱K的, 板载声卡都可以.
目前是用WIN XP的。
WIN 8 就不考虑了。
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你不是一直都以为数码线都是一样的吗?
你的 DAC ESS Sabre 9018 最大的优势, 就是对Jitter 的 宽容度大增,换句话说,如果有数码线的话,可以差点,或更长点。数码信号有个崩溃点,不像模拟信号是渐变的。
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你的 DAC ESS Sabre 9018 最大的优势, 就是对Jitter 的 宽容度大增,换句话说,如果有数码线的话,可以差点,或更长点。数码信号有个崩溃点,不像模拟信号是渐变的。
我有另一个外置DAC,用的是Wolfson 8741。有USB接口。我以前说过,我换了USB线,对这个外置DAC听得出有分别。

但我换的那条USB线,就是所谓的audiophile USB线。一般来说,很多人都会说,脑袋有毛病,才一条数码线,都是一样的。。。数码都是一样binary。。。Yeah right.
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理论上讲,USB Audio Class 2是不挑线的,期待ing...
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理论上讲,USB Audio Class 2是不挑线的,期待ing...
不晓得这个class 2理论是否跟非同步implementation同一个道理。如果理论上不挑线,而实验中得到却是相反的结果,那可以说是有implementation flaw。哪里出问题,很难debug。
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理论上讲,USB Audio Class 2是不挑线的,期待ing...
听谁说的?据我所知,苹果和Linux 甚至win7(第三方Driver) 都支持 class 2 , 因为Class 2 的数据量成倍增加,对数据线的要求会更高,有的USB线因为太差,就自动降为Class1。
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不晓得这个class 2理论是否跟非同步implementation同一个道理。如果理论上不挑线,而实验中得到却是相反的结果,那可以说是有implementation flaw。哪里出问题,很难debug。
非同步只是把冗余度大幅增加,但还是有临界点。


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我有另一个外置DAC,用的是Wolfson 8741。有USB接口。我以前说过,我换了USB线,对这个外置DAC听得出有分别。

但我换的那条USB线,就是所谓的audiophile USB线。一般来说,很多人都会说,脑袋有毛病,才一条数码线,都是一样的。。。数码都是一样binary。。。Yea...
只要你是盲听,5次/5次都对,那就是说你的人有毛病!
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旧 Oct 20th, 2011, 14:14   只看该作者   #17
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听谁说的?据我所知,苹果和Linux 甚至win7(第三方Driver) 都支持 class 2 , 因为Class 2 的数据量成倍增加,对数据线的要求会更高,有的USB线因为太差,就自动降为Class1。
Class 2是异步传输,时钟信号由声卡自己产生,USB线上只传数据。所谓数据量增加是随着使用Class 2的新功能而来的,Class 2支持24/192多声道信号,如果仅仅传送两声道音频的话,USB2.0的带宽绝对是是绰绰有余的。至于自动降为Class 1,我不是很理解怎么能做到,因为两个规范并没有兼容性。
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不晓得这个class 2理论是否跟非同步implementation同一个道理。
的确是同一个道理。但是以前的异步传输由于没有标准,每个厂家必须自己开发驱动程序,品质很难保证,有些厂家硬件实力很强,软件水准就差强人意。现在有了规范,驱动程序变成操作系统的一部分,相对来讲软件方面比较有保障一些,再加上支持Class 2的USB音频芯片,免去了复杂的声卡固件,会大大降低高端USB声卡的设计门槛。而且即使出问题,由于操作系统和芯片的厂家总共就那么几个,问题也比较容易解决。这样高端USB声卡也能真正做到即插即用,相信是大多数用户都乐见其成。我尤其期待使用异步USB传输的DIY DAC如雨后春笋般涌现,不过这一切都取决于Windows什么时候加入Class 2支持。
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至于自动降为Class 1,我不是很理解怎么能做到,因为两个规范并没有兼容性。

Class 2 向下兼容Class 1, 请参考【An introduction to computer audio】

其中就提到:

USB Audio Class 2 standard (2009) is downwards compatible with class 1.




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Class 2是异步传输
Class 2 也可以同步传输:

请参考 【MAC Supported USB Audio 2.0 Features】


而且同步/异步谁好,也是很有争议的。

“Not everybody agree that asynchronous is better. ”

“Async can have just as bad jitter as sync if the clock at the DAC is badly implemented.”
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Class 2 向下兼容Class 1, 请参考【An introduction to computer audio】 ("http://thewelltemperedcomputer.com/KB/USB.html")

其中就提到:

USB Audio Class 2 standard (20...
我的理解,所谓的向下兼容只是说你的Class 2设备要通过他们的认证,必须也能和Class 1宿主通讯。Class 2新增的功能比如高精度、高采样率、多声道,在Class 1里完全没有,怎么兼容?

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“Async can have just as bad jitter as sync if the clock at the DAC is badly implemented.”
这个观点我同意,但是PC机本身的时钟是公认的badly implemented,既然这条路不通,异步才是有希望的方向,好好implement声卡的时钟比改造PC容易多了。
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