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旧 Sep 4th, 2009, 16:24     #1
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搬个板凳,听
来不及搬了,蹲着听

警世基金就是用来警世的,不是用来赚钱投资的
我要是能赚钱,还收个鸟费?我要是亏钱,你还投资个鸟蛋?
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东山兄弟:有没有讲如何卖靠挣钱的?
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总的来说,卖靠是很危险的一件事,但可以买些保险,那就是卖CALL SPREAD, 风险就小了,当然盈利也小了
好像高手们(MM?)都是这样挣的,最后把股价打入call的价格下面。
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旧 Sep 4th, 2009, 16:48     #4
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大周末了,东山全情奉献一个比较安全的吸金大法。

东山前几天介绍正态分布,就是说股指出现极端的情况概率很小,所以就可以卖OTM的

CALL和PUT,为了安全再买更OTM的CALL和PUT保护,如SPY现在102,卖106 的CALL再

买109的CALL,卖99的PUT再买96PUT...
有没有实战的例子?
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旧 Sep 4th, 2009, 19:00     #5
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同样给你写几句,类似的炒法我用过很久,后来主力资金不做这个了,主要原因是
1。时间风险大,需要等到每个oe日。
2。出现极端情况,赔得也不少。
3。等待中会错过大行情。

有大资金,还不如买几只蓝筹股,吃分红,卖covered call更安全一些。
小资金,我觉得像老姚那样去博几把,增长...
小资金能做吗?
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旧 Sep 4th, 2009, 23:09     #6
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能,两种选择:
风险大的,
你买入fre@2 500股,卖出9月18的call@20c 5个,如果到9月18,fre在2元之下,你净赚100块。同时有账面亏损,但你可以继续再卖下个月的call。

风险小的,

买入100股f@7.40, 卖出oct的call@35c,如果到10月16,...
对于风险小的,岂不是很稳赚?

如果不算手续费,那么每月的收益就是 35/740=4.72%,如果在IB做,就算去掉手续费,全年的收益也能达到 50%,靠跟唐把费的每周1%有点像了。

图骨的图笔触,要有前提,要有前提,把大资金分成若干块,去找若干个F,并且这些F需要有略涨的趋势,涨多了也没关系,对方练习了,当月会多挣点,接着找下个目标就是了。

看来还是有操作性的。
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旧 Sep 5th, 2009, 01:00     #7
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我用的是Thinkorswim,卖的时候一起卖,药买的时候也可一起买。
如fslr,我卖了oct 100/85 put,收credit 3.4-1.2=2.2
现在分别值 2.625/0.95,所以我平仓的话,就是2.625-0.95=1.675
赚了2.2-1.675=0.525
这个似乎比不服大师的还好。
风险在哪里,举个例子吧,谢谢!
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fslr一个暴跌,你那一千多就都填进去了。
你要想玩的长一点,还是买f卖call吧。
绝对同意大师的观点,需要找一批F们。
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你还真愿意折腾啊,手续费算过吗?

现在的市场,波动剧烈,你要是看多,就buy dip买call,你要是看空就buy top买put,拿住了,做波段,痛快多了。我现在手里put和call都有,来回买卖,挣猪的钱,暴涨暴跌我都高兴哈。
俺用IB,手续费已经很低了,算下来是可以这么折腾的,不过俺的资金管理甚严,可用之兵有限,如果能稳定增长,那就耐心等待了。
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其实,这些都不是什么高级战法,已经跑题了。
还是等东山兄亮剑吧。
其实所谓的高级其实就是把这些手段运用自如了。
所谓手中无剑,心中有剑
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东山兄的研究很有意义:不过老人言仍然要听的。

去年10月-11月,如果卖deep OTM的put,卖一个你死一回,譬如高盛10月初还有120,deep, 当然how deep is deep你也许又要argue,在高盛120的时候,你卖80p够deep了吧,买70phedge...
老人言还是比较辣的
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东山兄带了一个好头,交流学习,作为过来人我主要提示一些实战中的风险,作为东山期权研究的补充材料,有的时候难免辣些,湖南人喜欢吃辣椒嘛,东山兄也是
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你的警示基金运行如何?你询问的V基金要到10月份才可能会有重大公布,平常都没什么,所以
看了你的社论后,提前了大概一周行动。目前持仓:

FNM 10 月 3 Call 10个,成本1毛5
EMC 9月17 Call 10个,成本1毛

根据警世基金资金管理办法,还有30刀的可用资金。

有空指点一哈,谢谢!
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您是版主,您先讲,您有实例,把那2万多的期权秀出来,不要打马赛克,大家一起来算算

GREEKS,点样捏?
对呀,反正都买了,一起看看,学习学习
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