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HXS1966 · Sep 19th, 2020, 00:04

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作者: jo jo

你知道网络都怎么人肉某某某的吧，个人行为为基础，历史activities为辅，扩展个人联系网络，然后每个联系网点又是一个基础，互动activities的对原始基础的反馈加权，，，等等等等
只要你够“无耻”到不非礼勿听勿问勿记勿揣测，然后把台下听闻记录的东西整理干净，你就可以成为一个八面玲珑的人
就目...

原理很清楚，但是实际中没那么简单。视频即时搜索与应用是个巨难的问题，目前多数非即时搜索的都还有很大问题（Iphone里面的照片比对分类，还只敢放在不用手机的子夜与花费长时间才能完成手机里面有限图片的归类）。

新公司是整合国外的全部TT资产。
算法也是个不断进展与短命的，所以平台与人员更重要，这才是微软明知是个道义毒药也要去拼命买TT的原因，也是甲骨文与字节能达成协议的原因。

jo jo · Sep 19th, 2020, 00:31

应该还是在关键字indexing搜索水平，没实现视频搜索，
之前发酵的自杀视频事件 tiktok就说了控制不了镶嵌转发，后来是在posting的event里实现特征帧识别来筛选移除
Tiktok的成功不是单一算法原因，取名很巧，推广很到位，界面很友好等等，算法是它核心技术是因为可以拓展未来潜力功能，后面的秘密如果分享了人家就很容易要么“哦~原来这样学习”，要么“呃~原来这样，举报” 秘密一般见光死的说
还是不看好能合作呢; 等事成了让我大开眼界

HXS1966 · Sep 19th, 2020, 00:39

甲骨文是TT的主人之一了还捎带云业务，保护核心点的动力比字节公司还大吧。
5G，云，视频分享服务....世界一步步平淡中出奇。

jo jo · Sep 19th, 2020, 00:43

好吧主要是我不看好 $61卖了Oracle

。。。

HXS1966 · Sep 19th, 2020, 00:45

甲骨文股价盘整了这么多年，竟然这时候卖了？

jo jo · Sep 19th, 2020, 00:52

我一直是米饭班主的股东啊，最后五年从SAP转Peoplesoft了，多少要捧场的，价格比较熟悉，$50楼下有钱就收点

它还是cici的老东家呢

它要是吃下tiktok这deal，还能跳到$70，，，我又亏大了

jo jo · Sep 19th, 2020, 00:59

光明地看咱集邮还剩125股呢，，，半个250 个人写真

jo jo · Sep 19th, 2020, 19:39

批了，那还禁么？？

下一步，看中国反应？

Trump Says He’s Approved Oracle Deal For U.S. TikTok
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...tok-operations
Donald Trump approved Oracle Corp.’s bid for the U.S. operations of TikTok “in concept,” a deal forced by the president’s orders last month declaring the popular video-sharing app a national security threat.

“I have given the deal my blessing. If they get it done that’s great. If they don’t, that’s OK too, ” Trump told reporters Saturday as he left the White House for a campaign rally in Fayetteville, N.C. “I approved the deal in concept.”

The new company, which will be called TikTok Global, has agreed to donate $5 billion to an education fund, which Trump said would satisfy his demand that the government receive a payment from the deal. “They’re going to be setting up a very large fund,” he said. “That’s their contribution that I’ve been asking for.”

Under terms of the deal, Oracle Corp. and Walmart Inc. will control 20% of the new TikTok Global, according to a person familiar with the matter. Sequoia Capital and General Atlantic, already investors in TikTok’s Chinese owner ByteDance Ltd., are also expected to take stakes in the new company, the person said.

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TikTok said in a statement that it was “pleased that the proposal by TikTok, Oracle, and Walmart will resolve the security concerns of the U.S. administration and settle questions around TikTok’s future in the U.S.”

The company confirmed Oracle will host all its U.S. data and secure its computer systems. TikTok said it is working with Walmart on a commercial partnership and it, along with Oracle, will take part in a TikTok Global pre-IPO financing round in which they can take as much as a 20% cumulative stake in the company.

TikTok Global will likely be headquartered in Texas and will hire “at least” 25,000 people, Trump said. TikTok will need to hire thousands of content moderators, engineers, and marketing staff that were previously located in China and around the world.

To sweeten the deal for Trump, TikTok promised to hire 25,000 employees in the U.S., an additional 15,000 jobs more than the 10,000 positions the company already pledged to fill earlier this year. It’s unclear if there’s a timeline to achieve that target, or any guarantees it will follow through. Facebook Inc., the largest U.S. social media company, employed about 45,000 people in 2019, while Twitter Inc. employed only 4,900, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

Trump is ramping up pressure on Chinese-owned apps in the weeks before the Nov. 3 presidential elections, citing national security concerns about the data U.S. citizens provide to them and the potential for Beijing to use them for spying. The president is trailing his opponent Joe Biden in polls and has sought to portray himself as tougher on Beijing than the Democrat.

While the Chinese government must now sign off on the transaction for it to go forward, as of earlier this week, ByteDance was growing increasingly confident that the proposal would pass muster with Chinese regulators, people familiar with the matter told Bloomberg.

Under the terms of the agreement reached early in the week, ByteDance would retain a majority of TikTok’s assets and control over the algorithm, with Oracle and other U.S. investors taking minority stakes.

Trump seemed to contradict that on Saturday. “It will have nothing to do with China, it’ll be totally secure, that’ll be part of the deal,” he said. “All of the control is Walmart and Oracle, two great American companies.”

Trump spoke with Oracle Chairman Larry Ellison and Walmart Chief Executive Officer Doug McMillon on Friday, telling them he still expected the U.S. government to receive a cash payment as part of the transaction, according to people familiar with the matter. They agreed to the educational donation as a way to satisfy Trump’s demand, one of the people said.

The new U.S. company intends to hold an initial public offering in about a year, according to people familiar with the matter. TikTok plans to use the proceeds from the listing for the $5 billion educational grant, one of the people said.

Oracle will get full access to review TikTok’s source code and updates to make sure there are no back doors used by the company’s Chinese parent to gather data or to spy on the video-sharing app’s 100 million American users, according to people familiar with the matter.

The deal came together last weekend, the result of high-level negotiations between ByteDance, Oracle and top Trump administration officials after ByteDance rejected a bid from Microsoft Corp. and Walmart to buy the U.S. TikTok service outright.

Beijing has signaled it would greenlight a deal as long as ByteDance doesn’t have to transfer the artificial intelligence algorithms that drive TikTok’s service, Bloomberg has reported.

jo jo · Sep 19th, 2020, 19:48

才问着，就来答案了：U.S. will delay TikTok app store ban by 1 week
https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/t...elay-1.5731490

HXS1966 · Sep 19th, 2020, 22:44

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作者: jo jo

才问着，就来答案了：U.S. will delay TikTok app store ban by 1 week
https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/t...elay-1.5731490

根据CBC的文章，可以算出新TT在正式IPO前的股权结构：字节持36%，甲骨文12.5%，沃尔玛7.5%，其它原来的美国风投公司持33%；剩余的11%估计是那个给美国政府的“捐款”，通过教育基金通道，估计这个教育基金持有11%。就是说字节最后又让出4%，美国那几个初创基金让出7%，捐给这个教育基金，总共50亿价值。新TT最后一轮融资了100亿美元左右（甲骨文与沃尔玛出资），新TT估值500亿左右。最后IPO时候，估计会升值到1000亿。
最后应该说是个多赢的结局。

这样的话，印度的TT应该要恢复了。
TT会是世界短视频共享平台的霸主吗？视频共享可是比文字前进了一大步。

HXS1966 · Sep 19th, 2020, 23:34

微软早前就与字节谈判，模式就是甲骨文的方案，之后在川普要强迫字节全部卖掉的发言后，微软态度转变改为买断TT........
最后竟然是甲骨文替代微软回到之前协议方案，微软被甲骨文与川普合力挤出，真是个戏剧结果。

jo jo · Sep 20th, 2020, 00:24

教育基金说是从IPO后盈余部分出，就是割完韭菜再做慈善，未必是占股份的吧，走当年fiscal报账，可能比较好处理？

抖音和快手没有技术差别，感觉，不同的只是营销策略。

那微信怎么办咧接下来？

HXS1966 · Sep 20th, 2020, 00:39

IPO以后上市，才能利润最大化的在市场上出售股份或者分红吧，才能使基金会有现金使用，这11%股份是基础。另外，也只有推定这11%股份才能合理凑齐100%股份去向。

你还是太小看推送分享的创新点。

微信似乎也一直与美国沟通。

jo jo · Sep 20th, 2020, 00:58

你迷抖音么？

我是有点情绪化了，偷盗个人碎片时间然后让你被卖还帮忙数钱，，，感觉很不道德；不过一个愿打一个愿挨也没什么好说的

还有哦 tg开的强制外资持份配额先河，trump这手还没那个过分呢只是想不到美国也堕落了

jo jo · Sep 20th, 2020, 09:43

醒来看到这个耶，ByteDance says not aware of $5 billion education fund in TikTok deal，有趣

腾讯已将企业微信海外版（WeChat Work）更名为WeCom，“在美国禁令生效前将其作为微信的潜在替代品”。根据美国专利及商标局的记录，腾讯在8月19日注册了WeCom商标。WeCom不在美国对微信相关交易禁令的范围内。

HXS1966 · Sep 20th, 2020, 11:12

TT是大陆以外的部分，与国内的抖音无关；TT的创投融资本来就是美国的公司，字节与创投各占TT一半股份，这次是有引入了甲骨文与沃尔玛（100亿）。
50亿教育基金事情，字节的声明虽然否定知道来源，但是承认了“与合作伙伴致力于教育”的事情；应该是有这事情，估计原协议是没明说这基金钱的具体用途，这次是川普明说了，也可以理解大嘴的他解读的大了，故意与他的要求挂钩。（英文报道里，也说这50亿仍由字节审核具体项目与资金用向）。

WeCom是微信海外版的企业版，如果WeChat在美国被禁止企业商业交易活动，那么企业版的WeCom更不会是Weachat的替代品，逻辑就不通。估计WeCom是腾讯的另外用途与目的，不知道是不是为与美国合资做准备。
这趋势似乎是：大陆内单独一块；大陆外另一块，大陆如果想发展，必须与美国合资，共同分成。有意思的老大老二合作模型。

bigoiler · Sep 20th, 2020, 11:22

如果腾讯也象华为一样聪明，将来的结果是禁止一切腾讯产品。

jo jo · Sep 20th, 2020, 11:56

所以我奇怪，一般这样的意向项目是走运营的，不可能占股份的说。应该还会有其他股东。

wecom那个，以为是走文字游戏策略呢，那这个矛盾就戏剧化咯，会好看

HXS1966 · Sep 20th, 2020, 12:01

很多基金会都是依靠股份来运作的，或说捐出股份给基金会，基金会用分红或者卖股份来运营项目。
WeCom说的就是企业版吧；人们依据它可以整合个人WeChat用户来过度解读为替代。

jo jo · Sep 20th, 2020, 12:50

性质不一样吧，一条心的用基金会控股就是避税手段，，tt这摊儿，还没磨合不说，都有点儿乌合的意思，这个基金会怎么定性明白都不好说吖

Sep 20th, 2020, 09:43	只看该作者 #155
jo jo 转啊转啊转注册日期: Jul 2007 帖子: 34,098 积分:5 精华:2 声望: 24936019	醒来看到这个耶，ByteDance says not aware of $5 billion education fund in TikTok deal，有趣腾讯已将企业微信海外版（WeChat Work）更名为WeCom，“在美国禁令生效前将其作为微信的潜在替代品”。根据美国专利及商标局的记录，腾讯在8月19日注册了WeCom商标。WeCom不在美国对微信相关交易禁令的范围内。此帖于 Sep 20th, 2020 10:19 被 jo jo 编辑。

Sep 20th, 2020, 11:12	只看该作者 #156
HXS1966 Senior Member 注册日期: Jun 2006 帖子: 4,516 声望: 1177764	TT是大陆以外的部分，与国内的抖音无关；TT的创投融资本来就是美国的公司，字节与创投各占TT一半股份，这次是有引入了甲骨文与沃尔玛（100亿）。 50亿教育基金事情，字节的声明虽然否定知道来源，但是承认了“与合作伙伴致力于教育”的事情；应该是有这事情，估计原协议是没明说这基金钱的具体用途，这次是川普明说了，也可以理解大嘴的他解读的大了，故意与他的要求挂钩。（英文报道里，也说这50亿仍由字节审核具体项目与资金用向）。 WeCom是微信海外版的企业版，如果WeChat在美国被禁止企业商业交易活动，那么企业版的WeCom更不会是Weachat的替代品，逻辑就不通。估计WeCom是腾讯的另外用途与目的，不知道是不是为与美国合资做准备。这趋势似乎是：大陆内单独一块；大陆外另一块，大陆如果想发展，必须与美国合资，共同分成。有意思的老大老二合作模型。此帖于 Sep 20th, 2020 11:39 被 HXS1966 编辑。

Sep 20th, 2020, 11:22	只看该作者 #157
bigoiler Senior Member 注册日期: Feb 2006 帖子: 708 声望: 791137	如果腾讯也象华为一样聪明，将来的结果是禁止一切腾讯产品。
	石油工人一声吼

Sep 19th, 2020, 00:31	只看该作者 #142
jo jo 转啊转啊转注册日期: Jul 2007 帖子: 34,098 积分:5 精华:2 声望: 24936019	应该还是在关键字indexing搜索水平，没实现视频搜索，之前发酵的自杀视频事件 tiktok就说了控制不了镶嵌转发，后来是在posting的event里实现特征帧识别来筛选移除 Tiktok的成功不是单一算法原因，取名很巧，推广很到位，界面很友好等等，算法是它核心技术是因为可以拓展未来潜力功能，后面的秘密如果分享了人家就很容易要么“哦~原来这样学习”，要么“呃~原来这样，举报” 秘密一般见光死的说还是不看好能合作呢; 等事成了让我大开眼界

Sep 19th, 2020, 00:39	只看该作者 #143
HXS1966 Senior Member 注册日期: Jun 2006 帖子: 4,516 声望: 1177764	甲骨文是TT的主人之一了还捎带云业务，保护核心点的动力比字节公司还大吧。 5G，云，视频分享服务....世界一步步平淡中出奇。

Sep 19th, 2020, 00:43	只看该作者 #144
jo jo 转啊转啊转注册日期: Jul 2007 帖子: 34,098 积分:5 精华:2 声望: 24936019	好吧主要是我不看好 $61卖了Oracle 。。。

Sep 19th, 2020, 00:45	只看该作者 #145
HXS1966 Senior Member 注册日期: Jun 2006 帖子: 4,516 声望: 1177764	甲骨文股价盘整了这么多年，竟然这时候卖了？

Sep 19th, 2020, 00:52	只看该作者 #146
jo jo 转啊转啊转注册日期: Jul 2007 帖子: 34,098 积分:5 精华:2 声望: 24936019	我一直是米饭班主的股东啊，最后五年从SAP转Peoplesoft了，多少要捧场的，价格比较熟悉，$50楼下有钱就收点它还是cici的老东家呢它要是吃下tiktok这deal，还能跳到$70，，，我又亏大了

Sep 19th, 2020, 00:59	只看该作者 #147
jo jo 转啊转啊转注册日期: Jul 2007 帖子: 34,098 积分:5 精华:2 声望: 24936019	光明地看咱集邮还剩125股呢，，，半个250 个人写真

Sep 19th, 2020, 19:39	只看该作者 #148
jo jo 转啊转啊转注册日期: Jul 2007 帖子: 34,098 积分:5 精华:2 声望: 24936019	批了，那还禁么？？下一步，看中国反应？ Trump Says He’s Approved Oracle Deal For U.S. TikTok https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...tok-operations Donald Trump approved Oracle Corp.’s bid for the U.S. operations of TikTok “in concept,” a deal forced by the president’s orders last month declaring the popular video-sharing app a national security threat. “I have given the deal my blessing. If they get it done that’s great. If they don’t, that’s OK too, ” Trump told reporters Saturday as he left the White House for a campaign rally in Fayetteville, N.C. “I approved the deal in concept.” The new company, which will be called TikTok Global, has agreed to donate $5 billion to an education fund, which Trump said would satisfy his demand that the government receive a payment from the deal. “They’re going to be setting up a very large fund,” he said. “That’s their contribution that I’ve been asking for.” Under terms of the deal, Oracle Corp. and Walmart Inc. will control 20% of the new TikTok Global, according to a person familiar with the matter. Sequoia Capital and General Atlantic, already investors in TikTok’s Chinese owner ByteDance Ltd., are also expected to take stakes in the new company, the person said. More from Election Biden Has No Plans to Match Trump’s Release of Court Picks Lindsey Graham, GOP Abandon Past Views to Speed Court Pick Donors Flood Democrats With Cash After Ginsburg’s Death This Is How U.S. Supreme Court Justices Are Confirmed TikTok said in a statement that it was “pleased that the proposal by TikTok, Oracle, and Walmart will resolve the security concerns of the U.S. administration and settle questions around TikTok’s future in the U.S.” The company confirmed Oracle will host all its U.S. data and secure its computer systems. TikTok said it is working with Walmart on a commercial partnership and it, along with Oracle, will take part in a TikTok Global pre-IPO financing round in which they can take as much as a 20% cumulative stake in the company. TikTok Global will likely be headquartered in Texas and will hire “at least” 25,000 people, Trump said. TikTok will need to hire thousands of content moderators, engineers, and marketing staff that were previously located in China and around the world. To sweeten the deal for Trump, TikTok promised to hire 25,000 employees in the U.S., an additional 15,000 jobs more than the 10,000 positions the company already pledged to fill earlier this year. It’s unclear if there’s a timeline to achieve that target, or any guarantees it will follow through. Facebook Inc., the largest U.S. social media company, employed about 45,000 people in 2019, while Twitter Inc. employed only 4,900, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Trump is ramping up pressure on Chinese-owned apps in the weeks before the Nov. 3 presidential elections, citing national security concerns about the data U.S. citizens provide to them and the potential for Beijing to use them for spying. The president is trailing his opponent Joe Biden in polls and has sought to portray himself as tougher on Beijing than the Democrat. While the Chinese government must now sign off on the transaction for it to go forward, as of earlier this week, ByteDance was growing increasingly confident that the proposal would pass muster with Chinese regulators, people familiar with the matter told Bloomberg. Under the terms of the agreement reached early in the week, ByteDance would retain a majority of TikTok’s assets and control over the algorithm, with Oracle and other U.S. investors taking minority stakes. Trump seemed to contradict that on Saturday. “It will have nothing to do with China, it’ll be totally secure, that’ll be part of the deal,” he said. “All of the control is Walmart and Oracle, two great American companies.” Trump spoke with Oracle Chairman Larry Ellison and Walmart Chief Executive Officer Doug McMillon on Friday, telling them he still expected the U.S. government to receive a cash payment as part of the transaction, according to people familiar with the matter. They agreed to the educational donation as a way to satisfy Trump’s demand, one of the people said. The new U.S. company intends to hold an initial public offering in about a year, according to people familiar with the matter. TikTok plans to use the proceeds from the listing for the $5 billion educational grant, one of the people said. Oracle will get full access to review TikTok’s source code and updates to make sure there are no back doors used by the company’s Chinese parent to gather data or to spy on the video-sharing app’s 100 million American users, according to people familiar with the matter. The deal came together last weekend, the result of high-level negotiations between ByteDance, Oracle and top Trump administration officials after ByteDance rejected a bid from Microsoft Corp. and Walmart to buy the U.S. TikTok service outright. Beijing has signaled it would greenlight a deal as long as ByteDance doesn’t have to transfer the artificial intelligence algorithms that drive TikTok’s service, Bloomberg has reported.

Sep 19th, 2020, 19:48	只看该作者 #149
jo jo 转啊转啊转注册日期: Jul 2007 帖子: 34,098 积分:5 精华:2 声望: 24936019	才问着，就来答案了：U.S. will delay TikTok app store ban by 1 week https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/t...elay-1.5731490

Sep 19th, 2020, 23:34	只看该作者 #151
HXS1966 Senior Member 注册日期: Jun 2006 帖子: 4,516 声望: 1177764	微软早前就与字节谈判，模式就是甲骨文的方案，之后在川普要强迫字节全部卖掉的发言后，微软态度转变改为买断TT........ 最后竟然是甲骨文替代微软回到之前协议方案，微软被甲骨文与川普合力挤出，真是个戏剧结果。

Sep 20th, 2020, 00:24	只看该作者 #152
jo jo 转啊转啊转注册日期: Jul 2007 帖子: 34,098 积分:5 精华:2 声望: 24936019	教育基金说是从IPO后盈余部分出，就是割完韭菜再做慈善，未必是占股份的吧，走当年fiscal报账，可能比较好处理？抖音和快手没有技术差别，感觉，不同的只是营销策略。那微信怎么办咧接下来？

Sep 20th, 2020, 00:39	只看该作者 #153
HXS1966 Senior Member 注册日期: Jun 2006 帖子: 4,516 声望: 1177764	IPO以后上市，才能利润最大化的在市场上出售股份或者分红吧，才能使基金会有现金使用，这11%股份是基础。另外，也只有推定这11%股份才能合理凑齐100%股份去向。你还是太小看推送分享的创新点。微信似乎也一直与美国沟通。

Sep 20th, 2020, 00:58	只看该作者 #154
jo jo 转啊转啊转注册日期: Jul 2007 帖子: 34,098 积分:5 精华:2 声望: 24936019	你迷抖音么？我是有点情绪化了，偷盗个人碎片时间然后让你被卖还帮忙数钱，，，感觉很不道德；不过一个愿打一个愿挨也没什么好说的还有哦 tg开的强制外资持份配额先河，trump这手还没那个过分呢只是想不到美国也堕落了

Sep 20th, 2020, 11:56	只看该作者 #158
jo jo 转啊转啊转注册日期: Jul 2007 帖子: 34,098 积分:5 精华:2 声望: 24936019	所以我奇怪，一般这样的意向项目是走运营的，不可能占股份的说。应该还会有其他股东。 wecom那个，以为是走文字游戏策略呢，那这个矛盾就戏剧化咯，会好看

Sep 20th, 2020, 12:01	只看该作者 #159
HXS1966 Senior Member 注册日期: Jun 2006 帖子: 4,516 声望: 1177764	很多基金会都是依靠股份来运作的，或说捐出股份给基金会，基金会用分红或者卖股份来运营项目。 WeCom说的就是企业版吧；人们依据它可以整合个人WeChat用户来过度解读为替代。

Sep 20th, 2020, 12:50	只看该作者 #160
jo jo 转啊转啊转注册日期: Jul 2007 帖子: 34,098 积分:5 精华:2 声望: 24936019	性质不一样吧，一条心的用基金会控股就是避税手段，，tt这摊儿，还没磨合不说，都有点儿乌合的意思，这个基金会怎么定性明白都不好说吖