刘晓波和杨佳谁是英雄？

anti · Dec 17th, 2011, 13:05

Yang or Liu has a negative or positive influence in China?

Can you answer that question?

anti · Dec 21st, 2011, 21:47

They both failed...so...

anti · Jan 5th, 2012, 21:38

Just know that Mr. Liu's father is a high ranking official in the Chinese army, PLA---The largest army in the world. He is a teacher/professor for PLA.

anti · Jan 5th, 2012, 22:09

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Just know that Mr. Liu's father is a high ranking official in the Chinese army, PLA---The largest army in the world. He is a teacher for the PLA

And one of Mr. Liu's collegues, Chinese general says US was behind Nobel Peace Prize for Mr. Liu's son a dissident.

Beijing - A top Chinese general on Wednesday said the United States was the behind the award of the Nobel Peace Prize to a jailed Chinese dissident.

Chen Bingde, the chief of the general staff of the People's Liberation Army, made his comments at a meeting with German Defence Minister Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg in Beijing.

Chen said the US had put pressure on the Nobel committee via the Norwegian government to give the prize to Liu Xiaobo, who was jailed for 11 years in December for sedition.

'When someone is against the US government, he is defined as a terrorist. When someone is against the Chinese government, he is a prize winner,' Chen said.

The general belongs to the top military leaders around President Hu Jintao and is a member of the powerful Central Military Commission.

Guttenberg on Tuesday met with Defence Minister Liang Guanglie and spoke 'intensively, openly and clearly' about the award of the Nobel prize to Liu.

The German government wants Liu to be freed and allowed to collect the prize in person in Oslo in December.

Chen also said Washington was partially to blame for the war in Afghanistan because in the 1980s the US trained Islamists to fight the Soviet Union.

He also accused the Western media of biased reporting against China. 'Some media only report the negative side of China.'

Chen warned against excessive expectations of economic development in China, saying there was no chance at the present of overtaking the US as the world's strongest economy. 'We will remain a developing country for a very long time.'

anti · Jan 6th, 2012, 17:12

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作者: jedi_xie

两个都不是好东西，一个杀人犯，一个是蠹虫。

两个人当然不同了，一个是出身普通工人家庭，一个是出身手握枪杆子的家庭。

二者都是挑战当局，不过出身枪杆子的刘显然就底气十足了。

anti · Jan 6th, 2012, 17:43

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两个人当然不同了，一个是出身普通工人家庭，一个是出身手握枪杆子的家庭。

二者都是挑战当局，不过出身枪杆子的刘显然就底气十足了。

当然了，“杨大虾”挑战的是枪杆子，这个人显然不管枪杆子是不是姓刘，刘小波的刘。

anti · Jan 7th, 2012, 20:36

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作者: jedi_xie

好像没啥不同，都有眼耳口鼻，5官齐全。难道有什么没公布的？比如刘某中央没枪？杨某没上过山？

杨佳 “大虾” ，看到穿制服拿枪杆子的就打，他可不管刘先生是exceptional的。

anti · Jan 7th, 2012, 23:40

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杨佳 “大虾” ，看到穿制服拿枪杆子的就打，他可不管刘先生是exceptional的。

Yang was smashed by communists' guns, and Liu was "controlled" by communists' guns，

They challenged the regime in different ways, in their own ways and got different results for sure.

anti · Jan 10th, 2012, 16:35

anti · Jan 25th, 2012, 11:44

Liu Xiaobo is a "hero" who was pushed intentionally by CCP to the world stage to show their guys deserve "Nobel Peace Prize".

anti · Jan 25th, 2012, 12:09

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Liu Xiaobo is a "hero" who was pushed intentionally by CCP to the world stage to show their guys deserve "Nobel Peace Prize"....

See how CCP trumpeted their guys on mainland Chinese websites.

http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/ChinaNews/32250951.html
http://www.mitbbs.com/pc/pccon_8397_t0_139085.html
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t1/JLU/31113043_0_2.html
恭喜吉大77级校友刘晓波喜获2010年度诺贝尔和平奖！
解滨：刘晓波获奖，中国人的骄傲

anti · Jan 25th, 2012, 12:18

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See how CCP trumpeted their guys on mainland Chinese websites.

http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/ChinaNews/32250951.html
http://www.mitbbs.com/pc/pc...

刘晓波，正在叩响诺贝尔奖之门

9月29日的国际笔会上，现场放送了一段刘晓波的妻子刘霞的录像，刘霞在录像中读了一封刘晓波1997年1月给她的信那也是这对被高墙隔开的夫妻几百封信中仅存的之一。
信中写道："爱会使我们在充盈的感情的温暖中过饱满的心灵生活，爱使我们有勇气、有信心秉持人类正义，向极权挑战，保持人的尊严、诚实、自由。你的信，你遥远的思念，使我努力向着完美的境界靠近，从另一种维度走向终极的存在，我会在充分的内省之中，批判地面对世界和自我，谨慎而又坚定地做出选择，对生命始终保持善意的基本信任。
我们对这个社会的拒绝，不是出于愤怒和仇恨，而是出于宽容和爱。我们永远不会是现存秩序的认同者和辩护士，我们用永远的爱来拒绝。"

刘霞说："在1996年10月8日到1999年10月8日晓波被劳教三年期间，我给他写了300多封信，他给我写了2、3百万字，几经抄家，他的文字基本消失。这就是我们的生活。"
统治者可以轻易让文字消失，可无法消弥掉自由的思想。刘晓波曾说："只有在自由民主制度之中，个人的价值、尊严、创造力的实现和社会秩序的稳定才能取得双赢的和谐。所以，国际新秩序的普世性正义规则应该以自由主义的价值观为核心。"他正在用这样的思想叩响诺贝尔奖之门。

anti · Jan 25th, 2012, 12:21

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Liu Xiaobo is a "hero" who was pushed intentionally by CCP to the world stage to show their guys deserve "Nobel Peace Prize"....

anti · Jan 25th, 2012, 12:38

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作者: anti

阿桑奇則讓我們看見，美國如何不把其他國家的人權放在眼裡

从魏京生10年前公开谴责“华盛顿是天安门镇压中的同谋”,到今日愤意难平提高嗓门怒指刘晓波是“中共侩子手们的帮凶"

...

“獨立中文筆會”分贓不均狗咬狗正打得頭破血流

anti · Jan 27th, 2012, 21:40

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作者: zyw

张蜀杰瑞典作证：被迫为国安收集工运情报

作者：何山文章来源：RFA 点击数：221 更新时间：2012/1/26
现已逃往瑞典的中国劳工论坛网站写手张蜀杰，周四将在瑞典国会现身，披露大陆国安以囚禁长达10年作为威胁，要他做“二五仔”，混入香港工运圈收集情报。张蜀杰周...

Well, Canadian Conservative party is more brazen than CCP, they pushed their Canadian legend without any shame for a politician, liar Jack Layton to worship...more disgusting than Kim in N.K.

And that happened in Canada, whose freedom index is much higher than USA.

anti · Jan 27th, 2012, 21:55

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作者: zyw

张蜀杰瑞典作证：被迫为国安收集工运情报

作者：何山文章来源：RFA 点击数：221 更新时间：2012/1/26
现已逃往瑞典的中国劳工论坛网站写手张蜀杰，周四将在瑞典国会现身，披露大陆国安以囚禁长达10年作为威胁，要他做“二五仔”，混入香港工运圈收集情报。张蜀杰周...

2011年的“寒蝉”镇压

今天，中国正在经历十多年来最严重的警方镇压，国际大赦组织将之称为“寒蝉效应”。数以百计的作家、律师和活动分子遭到警方的拘捕和“被消失”。其中知名度较高的有艺术家艾未未和维权律师高智晟等，警方希望以此来警告其他人，并强调没有人是“不可触犯的”。Nobody is untouchable.

anti · Jan 27th, 2012, 21:56

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2011年的“寒蝉”镇压

今天，中国正在经历十多年来最严重的警方镇压，国际大赦组织将之称为“寒蝉效应”。数以百计的作家、律师和活动分子遭到警方的拘捕和“被消失”。其中知名度较高的有艺术家艾未未和维权律师高智晟等，警方希望以此来警告其他人，并强调没有人是“不可触犯的”。...

寒蟬效應（Chilling Effect），是一個新聞學領域的名詞。特別在討論言論自由、出版自由或集會自由時，指人民害怕因為言論遭到國家的刑罰，或是必須面對高額的賠償，不敢發表言論，如同蟬在寒冷天氣中噤聲一般。寒蟬效應的發生，將導致公共事務乏人關心，被視為過度壓制言論或集會自由的不好後果，此況在國家戒嚴時期特別顯現。

anti · Jan 28th, 2012, 12:13

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作者: anti

“獨立中文筆會”分贓不均狗咬狗正打得頭破血流

http://blog.boxun.com/hero/201010/zengjm/3_1.shtml

anti · Jan 28th, 2012, 12:32

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作者: zyw

张蜀杰瑞典作证：被迫为国安收集工运情报

作者：何山文章来源：RFA 点击数：221 更新时间：2012/1/26
现已逃往瑞典的中国劳工论坛网站写手张蜀杰，周四将在瑞典国会现身，披露大陆国安以囚禁长达10年作为威胁，要他做“二五仔”，混入香港工运圈收集情报。张蜀杰周...

张蜀杰/刘晓波/杨佳也不过是“过河的卒子”而已。

anti · Jan 29th, 2012, 20:20

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张蜀杰/刘晓波/杨佳也不过是“过河的卒子”而已。

作者: 乌鸦嘴 “不希望刘晓波得炸药奖的有：唱双簧的中共，春2们的轮运，”2010-01-28 21

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不希望刘晓波得炸药奖的有：唱双簧的中共，春2们的轮运，刘晓波的敌人...

如果刘真得了炸药奖，肯定会很好玩, 呵呵，

查看投票结果: 你认为刘晓波和杨佳谁是英雄？或者说是条好汉？
他们都是英雄。	27	36.00%
杨佳是英雄，刘晓波是汉奸。	14	18.67%
刘晓波是英雄，杨佳是流氓。	4	5.33%
他们都不是啥好东西。	30	40.00%
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Dec 17th, 2011, 13:05	#1
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Dec 21st, 2011, 21:47	#2
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Jan 5th, 2012, 21:38	#3
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Jan 25th, 2012, 11:44	#10
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