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上面已经详细说了我所遭遇的事情(这是最大的一桩), 但是看到一些朋友还在讲一些我不能认同的话, 故特意重申我的建议. 首先说明, 我在几年来, 要回好多笔钱 (应该在10次以上吧我想), 主要是非常明确对方搞错的, 也有少部分是实际上我犯错, 但对方的错在于没有事先说明, 也基本上都要回来了. 我刚开始管他们要回钱来的时候, 也是情绪很激动... 国内带来的思维嘛, 很生气对方的行为, 但不知道是否能够解决/如何才能解决. 后来发现, 下面的这位朋友的观点在我所经历的"要钱"事件中, 是大忌. 引用:
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Jul 8th, 2005, 12:12 | 只看该作者 #22 |
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谢谢各位网友关心,现在将进展情况向各位网友通报一下
谢谢各位网友关心,现在将进展情况向各位网友通报一下 上个月收到法庭的传票,原来讨债公司到小额庭告了我,20天不回应就算输官司啦。 找一些机构寻求帮助: 东亚法律援助得到两个建议:一:鉴于我英语不好建议我找一个翻译;二:怪我当时没有留下复印件,结果如何很难预料,由法官判断。 华咨处法律援助得到建议:找东亚法律援助。 Rental Housing Tribunal : 等了很久见到律师,听完陈述建议我去找东亚法律援助。 最后我到flemingdon community legal services : 工作人员耐心听完我结结巴巴的英语后帮我写了应诉书,留下复印件,让我第二天到小额庭递交。几个小时后收到他们给我的电话留言,然我先不要去法庭,再去一次他的办公室。当我去到的时候发现有三个律师等着我,又让我重新陈述了一遍。私底下一位律师告诉我,他们这里一般是不处理小额庭官司的案子的,但是我的英语不好,证据不足如果就这样上庭多半会输,而且他们重新看过我的文件后认为landlord在说谎,所以他们决定帮助我。他们要去帮我找一个翻译,让我等电话过几天再去, 几天后我再次去到那里已经有一位学法律的中国小姐等在那里了,我又再次重新陈述一次,翻译在旁边确保意思准确,然后要我签字确认,过几天律师要重新帮我写上述书,写好后给我电话让我再去一次他门的办公室。如此多的麻烦他们真的令我很感动,那个年轻的见习律师和学法律的中国小姐我甚至都不知道他们的名字。法庭的人说大概四、五月后开庭。无论结果如何我都很感激所有帮助、支持我的人。再次谢谢各位网友! |
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Jul 10th, 2005, 12:13 | 只看该作者 #25 | |
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你需要先搞清楚这表格是管理公司提供还是自己去DOWNLOAD,打印?
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至于什么催款公司之类,跟本不用理他们.影响信用也是吓唬人.自己没做什么坏事,信用就没问题. |
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Jul 10th, 2005, 20:35 | 只看该作者 #26 | |
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可能你在加拿大居住了许多年了,熟知这里的一切。只可惜,母语大概也忘得一干二净了。好好读读帖子,不行的话,找个普通话翻译给你解释解释。再来发言不迟。 顺便提一下,公寓退租不需要Super签字。所以也就没有你那个“主要是”。 |
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Jul 12th, 2005, 22:23 | 只看该作者 #27 | |
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你想, 我别的可以搞错, 自己的生日还能搞错吗? 肯定是中间某个环节出了点问题导致这个错误. 我做什么坏事了吗? 没有; 我的信用有问题吗? 有. 还是那句话: 无事不生事, 有事不怕事. 就我个人经历来说, 加拿大基本上还是法制社会. 楼上有人举了一些例子, 我个人认为太片面了. |
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Jul 12th, 2005, 23:34 | 只看该作者 #28 | |
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听君一席言还真开眼见,不过我所见的所有租客,都未曾下载专门的、正式的、统一的表格来退房。 先生在后面举了个开车的例子其实并不恰当,大多数情况下,本人以及所见到的大部分车主都按照法定速度行使的。我在那间building期间见到搬走的人如同流水一样,每星期都有几户人搬走,都是填了小纸条就可以搬走的。可能我见识少以及我认识的朋友见识少,反正我及我的朋友都是第一次听说搬迁要填写专门的、正式的、统一的法定退房表格。不信你可以做个统计,看看在论坛住过apartment的网友有多少填了这个表。也请退房时填写了法定退房表的网友报个到,让我见识一下,同时也警醒一下其他象我一样的法盲租客。 另外我还想问一下,租客退房“根据法律你应该上政府网站下载,或去信索取专门的、正式的、统一的表格”,那么签订和约比这个重要,是否也应该填写政府正式的表格。 还有先生所言“你就等着赔款额乘坐长二捆吧。这样一来,100%你不会赢,只能算输,一般再多赔n倍”本人不解,本人认为加拿大应该是个法制的国家,即使官司一旦打输,顶多再赔上利息,何来“长二捆”?何来“再多赔n倍”? 莫非收数公司还兼放高利贷。 请先生教我。谢谢! |
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Jul 13th, 2005, 11:16 | 只看该作者 #31 |
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呵呵,Little Baby一看就是一位信誉良好的好公民。 你说的对也不对。我的答复主要是针对楼主已经发生的事,照楼主的说法碰上无赖公司了,对他们妥协就是付钱给他们。 但如果是一碰上这类事就按我的处理方法,那就不妥了。 关于讨债,我也算经验丰富,这里就不攀比了,呵呵。 既然要给大家借鉴,我还是简单总结一下个人意见: 1,确认自己是否占理了。低于50%,就只能利用人家的善心了。 2,首先要心平气和的和人家协商,我们是解决问题,不是激化矛盾,详见LITTLEBABY的经历。 3,如果碰上无赖公司,或大公司态度恶劣的,不要和下面的人纠缠,找领导解决。 不要怕,自己有理一定不要退让,不光为自己,也是为其他人。真碰上要讹钱的,就按我前面的建议。 至于不要理讨债公司的说法,有意思的是:都是讨债公司教我的。由于业务关系,和7,8家讨债公司有接触,无论大小,我们委托他们讨的债,99%收不到。问他们有什么办法,告知没有,有什么约束力?基本没有。我们老板的朋友,有欠他几万$的,就当打水漂了。 唯一的一个收回的还是我们同胞,他开始做的太不对了!后来被讨债公司吓怕了,要来交钱。也只是为纠正他一下而已,最后也没收他的钱。得到一个信息,讨债公司特喜欢中国人,一要面子,二怕事,三语言不好,四担心信用,买房买车,担保父母。。。。。。我觉得这些没什么不好,只是如果我们有理也不去争取,会被人家欺负的。 至于一定要按政府的要求填这填那,也不是必须的。法庭也会考虑日常惯例,当然要合理。最好能找到相关证人,证明。 再致楼主:你能确认上小额法庭告你的是“讨债公司”吗? 开庭前会有调解,如果你怕麻烦或自己证据不足,可以和对方妥协,一般不会超过半数,而且还可以更少。至于金额,现在他们告你是不是当初的金额?绝对不会超过这个数。调解人还是比较帮个人的,如果你能带个证人去证明这个物业公司管理混乱,有讹钱的先例。呵呵,对方就完了。 |
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Jul 14th, 2005, 00:27 | 只看该作者 #32 | |
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The rental arrangement between a landlord and tenant is called a tenancy. The Tenant Protection Act has rules on how a tenancy may be properly terminated by a landlord or a tenant. It also has rules which may continue a tenancy. About the Tribunal The Ontario Rental Housing Tribunal is an independent, quasi-judicial agency. Tenants and landlords can apply to the Tribunal to resolve certain types of disputes, either through mediation or adjudication. In mediation, a Tribunal mediator will help a landlord and tenant to resolve a dispute and reach an agreement they are satisfied with. In adjudication, a hearing is usually held. A Tribunal member makes a decision based on the evidence examined, and issues an "order." The Tribunal also provides landlords and tenants with information about the rights and obligations each has under the Tenant Protection Act. A tenant and landlord can agree to terminate a tenancy at any time. This agreement should be in writing. A notice to terminate does not have to be given by either the landlord or tenant if there is an agreement to terminate. However, just because a lease is for a fixed term does not mean that there is agreement to terminate. The end of a lease does not mean the tenant must move out of the rental unit. If the landlord and tenant have not agreed to extend or renew the lease, or to start a new lease, the tenant has the right to stay in the unit, and become a month to month tenant. Termination of tenancy by a tenant In most cases, a tenant must tell their landlord in writing if they plan to move out, by giving a Tenant’s Notice to Terminate the Tenancy. The notice must tell the landlord the last day the tenant plans to occupy the unit. This date is called the termination date. A tenant who gave a notice to terminate to their landlord may not be able to withdraw it. If the tenant does not move out by the termination date in their notice, the landlord may apply to the Tribunal for approval to terminate the tenancy. This application can be made without the tenant knowing about it. A tenant can also ask the Tribunal to issue an order terminating the tenancy if the landlord is not maintaining or repairing the rental property, illegally enters the rental unit, alters the locks, interferes with vital services, interferes with the tenant’s reasonable enjoyment of the rental unit, or harasses the tenant. In these cases, the tenant would have to convince the Tribunal that ending the tenancy is a reasonable remedy. Rules about termination of tenancy by a tenant can be found in sections 43 to 48 of the Tenant Protection Act. There are rules that a landlord must follow when dealing with a tenant's property left in the rental unit or complex after the tenant has moved out. These rules are found in section 42 of the Act. Tenant Protection Act, 1997 Disposal of abandoned property, unit vacated 42. (1) A landlord may sell, retain for the landlord’s own use or otherwise dispose of property in a rental unit or the residential complex if the rental unit has been vacated in accordance with, (a) a notice of termination of the landlord or the tenant; (b) an agreement between the landlord and the tenant to terminate the tenancy; (c) subsection 68 (2); or (d) an order of the Tribunal terminating the tenancy or evicting the tenant. Where eviction order enforced (2) Despite subsection (1), where an order is made to evict a tenant, the landlord shall not sell, retain or otherwise dispose of the tenant’s property before 48 hours have elapsed after the enforcement of the eviction order. Same (3) A landlord shall make an evicted tenant’s property available to be retrieved at a location proximate to the rental unit for 48 hours after the enforcement of an eviction order. Liability of landlord (4) A landlord is not liable to any person for selling, retaining or otherwise disposing of a tenant’s property in accordance with this section. Agreement (5) A landlord and a tenant may agree to terms other than those set out in this section with regard to the disposal of the tenant’s property. 1997, c. 24, s. 42. Notice of termination 43. (1) Where this Act permits a landlord or tenant to terminate a tenancy by notice, the notice shall be in a form approved by the Tribunal and shall, (a) identify the rental unit for which the notice is given; (b) state the date on which the tenancy is to terminate; and (c) be signed by the person giving the notice, or the person’s agent. Same (2) If the notice is given by a landlord, it shall also set out the reasons and details respecting the termination and inform the tenant that, (a) if the tenant does not vacate the rental unit, the landlord may apply to the Tribunal for an order terminating the tenancy and evicting the tenant; and (b) if the landlord applies for an order, the tenant is entitled to dispute the application. 1997, c. 24, s. 43. Where notice void 44. (1) A notice of termination becomes void 30 days after the termination date specified in the notice unless, (a) the tenant vacates the rental unit before that time; or (b) the landlord applies for an order terminating the tenancy and evicting the tenant before that time. Exception (2) Subsection (1) does not apply with respect to a notice based on a tenant’s failure to pay rent. 1997, c. 24, s. 44. Compensation, unit not vacated 45. (1) A landlord is entitled to compensation for the use and occupation of a rental unit by a person who is, (a) an unauthorized occupant of the unit; or (b) a tenant who does not vacate the unit after his or her tenancy is terminated by order, notice or agreement. 2001, c. 9, Sched. J, s. 4 (1). Effect of payment (2) Unless a landlord and tenant agree otherwise, the landlord does not waive a notice of termination, reinstate a tenancy or create a new tenancy, (a) by giving the tenant a notice of rent increase; or (b) by accepting arrears of rent or compensation for the use or occupation of a rental unit after, (i) the landlord or the tenant gives a notice of termination of the tenancy, (ii) the landlord and the tenant enter into an agreement to terminate the tenancy, or (iii) the Tribunal makes an eviction order or an order terminating the tenancy. 2001, c. 9, Sched. J, s. 4 (1). Notice of Termination C End of Period or Term of Tenancy Tenant’s notice to terminate tenancy, end of period or term 46. A tenant may terminate a tenancy at the end of a period of the tenancy or at the end of the term of a tenancy for a fixed term by giving notice of termination to the landlord in accordance with section 47. 1997, c. 24, s. 46. Period of notice Period of notice, daily or weekly tenancy 47. (1) A notice under section 46, 60 or 96 to terminate a daily or weekly tenancy shall be given at least 28 days before the date the termination is specified to be effective and that date shall be on the last day of a rental period. Period of notice, monthly tenancy (2) A notice under section 46, 60 or 96 to terminate a monthly tenancy shall be given at least 60 days before the date the termination is specified to be effective and that date shall be on the last day of a rental period. Period of notice, yearly tenancy (3) A notice under section 46, 60 or 96 to terminate a yearly tenancy shall be given at least 60 days before the date the termination is specified to be effective and that date shall be on the last day of a yearly period on which the tenancy is based. Period of notice, tenancy for fixed term (4) A notice under section 46, 60 or 96 to terminate a tenancy for a fixed term shall be given at least 60 days before the expiration date specified in the tenancy agreement, to be effective on that expiration date. Period of notice, February notices (5) A tenant who gives notice under subsection (2), (3) or (4), which specifies that the termination is to be effective on the last day of February or the last day of March in any year, shall be deemed to have given at least 60 days notice of termination if the notice is given not later than January 1 of that year in respect of a termination which is to be effective on the last day of February or February 1 of that year in respect of a termination which is to be effective on the last day of March. 1997, c. 24, s. 47. Notice by Tenant for Termination Assignment of Tenancy Refused Notice by tenant 48. (1) A tenant may give notice of termination of a tenancy if the circumstances set out in subsection 17 (4) apply. Same (2) The date for termination specified in the notice shall be at least a number of days after the date of the notice that is the lesser of the notice period otherwise required under this Act and 30 days. 1997, c. 24, s. 48. |
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Jul 14th, 2005, 11:50 | 只看该作者 #33 | |
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至于和解,我猜“讨债公司”早就希望这样,就算我没有提交搬迁条,两个月房租才1400. “讨债公司”漫天要价,开出3500的价格,一半都要1700. 所以我不打算与之和解。 那间公司管理的确混乱,但是我不知道是否有讹钱的先例,我到housing tribunal 查过, 被这家公司告的人太多了,在电脑上有十多屏的名单(当时还查不到我的记录,不知现在他们加上去没有)。 |
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Jul 16th, 2005, 14:29 | 只看该作者 #34 |
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看来你遇上“专业”的啦。 肯定是物业公司告你,讨债公司只是他们的代理,照你的说法,他们是一条龙服务,而且是有经验的。他们不会是律师,如果这么小的CASE律师出面,要么这个律师不务正业,要么就是穷困潦倒。 看来他们老干这事,一有把柄给他们抓住,就来了。告这么多人,本身也说明他们有问题,起码是管理问题。试着和那些同样被告的人联系,有多家证词对你有利。 同样你要充分准备,不一定要请律师出马。有时一个容易和你沟通,同情你的人可能对你帮助更大,当然他的英文要很好。 至于是不是和解,你要自己掌握。他们不会打无准备之仗,同样你是否有充分的证据也是很重要。开庭前的调解就是解决的一个机会,一般是帮着个人为多,哭穷,扮可怜永远是好办法。调解人提出的方案一样可以讨价还价。 |
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Jul 28th, 2005, 11:21 | 只看该作者 #35 | |
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我是不太信个人信用记录谁都能改! 北美这么多骗子,遇事需要聪明点、 多分析、多学习、积累。 我碰到这类法律纠纷,首先不能觉得天要塌了、 要必先查对方身份。在他问你前,先诈唬他:你 公司在那里、谁是经理、有执照、开业几年了。 几个回合下来,对方就知道分量了。和车行 打交道也是同样,没点手段白挨欺负。 等开庭吧。你首先会得到对方手里的证据, 看过后才能决定。不要怕事、越怕越来事。 美国什么地方?流氓、骗子遍地。 此帖于 Sep 12th, 2005 11:12 被 beiji 编辑。 |
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