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旧 Aug 20th, 2012, 10:20     #1
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都闭关了么?

再问个问题:

无论太极讲得多么玄妙, 技击效果都离不开能量动量的物理意义。 动量是mv, 能量是1/2 MV平方。
M是质量,V是速度。

太极修炼了半天,主要是修炼M, 还是修炼V?
太极练的技击是四两拨千斤,左重则左虚,右重则右渺。
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旧 Aug 20th, 2012, 21:23     #2
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太极练的技击是四两拨千斤,左重则左虚,右重则右渺。
左重则左虚,左边的力大,左边则虚;右边则实。
右重则右虚,右边的力大,右边则虚;左边则实。
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还有“四两拨千斤”?
四两拨千斤,有人理解为,四两拨千斤,首先要有千斤力,然后才能四两拨千斤。

愚以为,四两拨千斤指的是身灵。
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请问是谁的“四两”?老兄在多伦多么?
己方的四两

我现在新加坡 11月长登温哥华。
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旧 Aug 22nd, 2012, 01:56     #5
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原来是师兄,我是John。哈哈,温哥华的拳友里又多了一位高手,大家期待着你的到来。
John,幸会。 期待着与大家相见。

前段时间我开始搜索温哥华,加拿大的太极活动,发现你很早就开始组织活动了,这个我很敬佩,我觉得你为太极运动的推广做了一件大好事。太极功夫现在练习者众,但名手不多。前辈太极高手发人丈外而不伤人,收放自如,现代太极名家,打重容易,打轻难。 不得不说,一代不如一代。要想恢复或者超越前人,大家需要竭尽全力,互通有无,抛去门户之见。

我也只是个太极爱好者,习练此功愈久,兴趣愈浓。
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对手发力有效作用3.99999999……两,我有效应力4.000......两,我将对手拨开。如果对手发力有效作用4.000......两,我有效应力3.99999999……两,我被对手拨开。
我们都知道力有三要素:大小,方向,作用点。

你只关注了大小。

改变三要素之一,即可改变力的效果。

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旧 Aug 22nd, 2012, 23:04     #7
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四两拨千斤是原则性的描述,不是具体技法,具体应用要因地制宜,创造机会:1、对方无法发全力,纵有千斤只能有效发出部分。如发力太老、太嫩之时,蓄势之时,势背之时等等。2、以切、断力克制直行力。如车轮切,横断等。3、空、闪、顺、带、引,等等。以上只是几类可能的技法,当然可以有无数多情况种,不可一一列出,只...
同意。非太极拳独有。

四两拨千斤是效果描述,不是具体的技术。
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旧 Aug 22nd, 2012, 23:44     #8
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那你在北京时遇到过你发出来这些 前辈“凌空发放”的高人?或者被发过?或者听说过?
你的师承是哪一支?
如此凌空发放的老师,目前一个没有也没有碰上,正在寻访此类高人, 如果师兄认识的话,烦请引见。

最开始学的是陈氏一路74式,太原,从学于陈石山老师及其弟子。
后来学习陈氏一路83式,二路71式,石家庄,北京,从学于马虹老师及其弟子。
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如此凌空发放的老师,目前一个没有也没有碰上,正在寻访此类高人, 如果师兄认识的话,烦请引见。

最开始学的是陈氏一路74式,太原,从学于陈石山老师及其弟子。
后来学习陈氏一路83式,二路71式,石家庄,北京,从学于马虹老师及其弟子。
陈石山老师拳架视频:
http://video.sina.com.cn/v/b/18716461-1448940222.html
马虹老师拳架视频:
http://www.56.com/u48/v_NTcxMjYzODE.html
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“四两拨千斤”确非太极拳独有,但“牵动四两拨千斤”乃太极拳独有。

正如王明波师傅在上次讲座中所言,这里被牵动的,应该是对方的“四两”。我的理解,只要能成功执掌这“四两牛鼻”,随后要拨动“千斤牛身”也就不难了。

不妨参照魏树人跟杨云中的演示,以魏老“无形之动”的出劲,其突然、隐蔽和迅速,这“牛鼻”...
这部分比较高深,不敢乱语,摘录前辈大师的论述:

关于太极拳“四两拨千斤”技、劲法的真意,杨澄甫宗师在《论推手》也说得清楚:“……纯粹太极,其臂如棉裹铁,柔软沉重。……其拿人之时,手极轻而人不能过。其放人之时.如脱弹丸.迅速干脆,毫不费力。……其粘人之时.并不抓擒,轻轻粘住.即如胶而不能脱,使人双臂酸麻不可耐。此乃真太极也。若用力按人推人,虽亦可以制人.将人打出.然自己终未免吃力.受者亦觉得甚痛,虽打出亦不能干脆。反之.吾欲以力擒制太极能手,则如捕风捉影,处处落空。又如水上踩葫芦.终不得力。此乃真太极意也。”

“四两拨千斤”是技法,也是劲法,或者说是一种训练有素的技法与劲法的融合。这种技法劲法的特点,”外操柔软,内含坚刚。而求柔软之于外,久而久之,自得内之坚刚。”
“夫四两拨千斤之妙,功不及化境,将何以能?是所谓懂粘连,得其视听轻灵之巧耳。”
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这个话题如紧密结合太极阴阳(鱼)图,或许会更容易理解吧?

所谓“四两”,指对方出劲的初始阶段,在此可用形象化的“鱼尾”部分来表达。“千斤”则是劲力已进入充分发挥的“鱼头”部分——除非你体重功力具有绝对优势,在此“全盛阶段”通常非常不容易掌控对方。只有在对方力量将出未出的“鱼尾”阶段,才是“牵动四两...
想象你在水上踩一个饱满的气球。

这个气球是不可能给你施加多大的力量的。他所做的就是旋转。他也不用思考。他对任何来力处理都是这一个方法。

练太极就是把自己练成一个气球。
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这属于第二种情况,即对方将其全力发出来,但没有有效加载到我方,理想情况是一点都没加上。此时,我可以根据自己的形式采取顺势加力(四两)让其跌出,也可以根据自己的状态来斜顺、斜迎、横断等随机处置,当然在其方向上多加四两是最高明、最省力的,但我觉得也最不容易做到。究其本质还是不与之直接对抗,避其锋芒,寻找...
"又要提起全副精神,于彼劲将发未发之际,我劲已经接于彼劲,恰好不后不先,如皮燃火,如泉涌出。前进后退,无丝毫散乱。曲中求直,蓄而后发,方能随手奏效。此所谓“借力打人”。“四两拨千斤”也。"

这里是两个情况的应用:
1. 等对方发力以后?对方已经是强弩之末,无法借力了。
2. 等对方发力之前?对方蓄劲待发,如何拿捏时机?
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