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旧 Apr 17th, 2011, 16:40     #1
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有那麼一群反華sb人士不停在加拿大和美國各大網站罵中國貪官怎樣怎樣?同時又支持保守黨的保守移民政策(不信你們去加拿大家園論壇看看),你說的這樣移民政策是好政策,保守黨能同意嗎?樓上的反華sb能同意嗎?這群反華狗一方面罵中國的貪官,一方面怕中國的技術移民來多了和他們搶福利(當然他們非常怕競爭),不信你看樓上反華的大部分都會去投保守黨的票。樓上那些罵中國人炒房子的,你們知道中國的房價是誰炒起來的嗎!最早都是些外資機構和外籍華裔(按照你們的說法他們走哪兒過都是禍害?),把中國房價炒起來了,中國人為什麼不能來加拿大買房子,難道他們都是傻子加拿大房子比中國便宜為什麼不買。中國大城市有房產的普通人賣掉中國的房產就可以在加拿大買房子,難道他們的錢都是靠坑蒙拐騙來的,他們買賣房子開名車用汽油的費用交得稅會少過打工嗎?有什麼看不習慣的,有本事把保守黨選下去,否則以後加拿大就是富豪的天下,這個富豪移民政策是你們選出保守黨干的事,有什麼好叫的。
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Cool 建议加拿大保守党不要再提"小政府"理念 一提就容易使人发笑

http://forum.iask.ca/showthread.php?t=446489

加拿大马上要大选了,保守党的Fans们又开始提自己"小政府"的理念了。

建议加拿大保守党以后不要再提"小政府"理念 ,因为说哈珀是小政府简直是笑死人。

保守党政府在G20上面一天花的钱,比一年花在长者上面的钱还要多。这一次联邦预算案要不是NDP林顿逼迫,预算案也不会对低收入的长者增加福利的。

保守党实质上是要在加拿大实施丛林法则,弱肉强食。任由保守党的支持者(市场强者)弱肉强食,政府放弃给弱者提供保护的责任。

有人说,保守党是执政党,是加拿大的主流民意,你这样说有什么用。其实保守党从来不是加拿大的主流民意,在加拿大获得超过40%的选票,就可以是多数党政府。而过去5年的历次民调和大选,保守党都没有超过40%。超过60%的选民都是支持左翼政党的,只不过左翼四分五裂,最大反对党自由党目前青黄不接,无人才而已。同时保守党也是通过整合右翼政党上台的,以前哈珀所在的党就是极右翼政党,吞并了原来的保守党。

加拿大政府每年3000亿的预算案, 你们知道什么东西最费钱嘛?是国债/赤字导致的利息,这就是哈珀大政府的恶果,挥霍空前政府10年努力留下来的财政盈余,向未来借钱。在这样大的赤字情况下,还去花300亿买战机。买战机干什么?利比亚撤侨的时候多跑几趟空机?

什么老人福利,新移民补贴根本都是浮云,占的比重不足一提,还不及G20一天呢。

再回到民主体制上,哈珀都有胆关闭国会(他当总理是因为保守党是国会最多议员的党),是英联邦历史上第一个被认定藐视国会的政府,这样下去,加拿大民主基石会不会动摇(想想英国议会制有多少年,历史上有多少少数政府,就出来一个哈珀藐视国会?)。

上一次哈珀关闭国会,不就是想切断反对党的那几百万吗?历史上从来没有政党这样狠的,要是多数党的,少数党估计更没有活路了,也不用什么民主了,直接断反对党的政府补贴。

看看下面哈珀政府的丑闻?有一个它敢出来否认的吗?不就是靠着钱多+掌权,做广告洗脑吗?
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政治上:

乾坤挪移的资金操作蒙骗加拿大选举局,被上诉庭裁决违法;
总理的前高级助理涉嫌非法游说利用关系替22岁妓女女友走后门,被骑警调查;
国际合作部长改动文件,欺瞒国会被国会调查;
移民部长借用政府资源为政党竞选拉票,因职员摆乌龙而被揭穿;
面对公众质询,多次拒绝提供具体资料,多次被国会裁定违反民主…….

有评论人士认为,哈伯政府已经显示腐化迹象:在金钱上瞒天过海,在运作上假公济私党政不分、利用纳税人资源为政党选举服务,关闭和藐视国会,凌驾于国家民主体制之上。

经济上:
经济政策上,批评人士也指哈珀政府实际上实施的是大政府、大消费政策。大肆烧钱幅度令人惊异,与“保守党”的小政府口号相差甚远:

烧钱近300亿扩展军备、烧钱20亿修建超级监狱,G20峰会突击花钱10亿。

另外哈珀不断自己的议员封官、形成庞大内阁,同时把前任政府10年努力留下来的财政盈余吃空,向未来借钱,创造了巨额赤字。

再来看加拿大最近10年来的GDP增长情况:
2000 +5.2%
2001 +1.8%
2002 +2.9%
2003 +1.9%
2004 +3.1%
2005 +3.0%
2006 +2.8%
2007 +2.2%
2008 +0.5%
2009 -2.5%

由此可知, GDP在自由党执政时期一直处于上升, 而在保守党接手(2006年)后逐渐下滑, 并且出现负增长.

两个政党, 哪个更会搞经济, 不言而喻.
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Cool 别有用心的人,偷换概念,断章取义去迷惑大家去投BSD!

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Why do Conservatives hate Statistics Canada?

The answer is: they hate it because that independent government agency produces statistics and facts that go against their ideological narrative, with this report on corporate tax cuts being the latest example:

Corporate tax cuts are becoming a major issue in the federal election campaign. The Conservatives, arguing that they are the best custodians of an economy that remains fragile after the recession, say tax cuts are crucial to stimulate job creation and make Canada more competitive on the global stage.. But an analysis of Statistics Canada figures by The Globe and Mail reveals that the rate of investment in machinery and equipment has declined in lockstep with falling corporate tax rates over the past decade. At the same time, the analysis shows, businesses have added $83-billion to their cash reserves since the onset of the recession in 2008.

In other-wards, corporations are hoarding the money they’ve gotten from these corporate tax cuts and not reinvesting it, and this appears not to be a recent trend. The report flies in the face of Conservative claims that tax cuts spur corporate and business economic growth and that a reversal of the tax rate by a couple of points will jeopardize a recovery. The only thing it appears will be jeopardized will be additional hoarding.

Facts and Conservative ideology don’t mix. This is one reason I believe the mandatory long-from census was destroyed; it was an attempt to skew data and statistics so that it would be harder to argue against the Conservative government’s argument. you see another example of reality-based reports from StasCan on corporate tax cuts. Expect the budget for StatsCan to be slashed even more by this government if it’s given free reign to do so.
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Every day I hear claims from conservatives that cutting taxes for the rich creates jobs and stimulates the economy. I have yet to see any substantial proof of this. Last time I checked our economy was based on supply and demand. You can have all the money in the world but if no one has the money to buy your product you wont be selling anything. According to the facts it's actually the middle class consumer who stimulates the economy more than anything else.
Being pro-business is not the same as supporting tax breaks for the wealthy. I would love to see massive amounts of tax breaks given to small business that hire people in their local neighborhood rather than huge tax breaks for juggernaut corporations that send jobs overseas and fund corrupt politicians.
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http://www.yorku.ca/ddoorey/lawblog/?p=3055

Do Corporate Tax Cuts Create Jobs?

Canada’s major newspapers have weighed in on the corporate tax debate in recent days:

Here is a Toronto Star piece.
Here is the National Post piece.
And here is a Globe and Mail piece, and another Globe column by Jeffrey Simpson.

If anything is clear from these stories, it is that there is considerable doubt among economists that corporate tax cuts create jobs or even cause employers to invest more in their Canadian operations. Jeffrey Simpson of the Globe notes that, according to the OECD (hardly a left-wing bastion), there is no discernible link between corporate tax rates and unemployment levels in the advanced economic countries.

So why do the Conservatives keep telling everyone that the Canadian economy will crumble unless corporations are given even more of break on taxes?

The Conservatives are promising to cut corporate tax rates even lower than the current rate of 16.5%, which is way down from 28% in 1990. The Conservatives insist that there is a direct link between a corporate tax cut and the number of jobs created, even though unlike the Liberals, they are not interested in attaching the tax cuts to actual job creation. In other words, under the Tory plan, corporations get the tax cuts even if they substantially reduce Canadian employment levels. “We will not raise taxes on growth”, said the Tory Finance Minister when asked about the benefit of continuing to cut corporate taxes year after year. Meanwhile, both the NDP and the Liberals have promised to stop the corporate tax cuts and use the increased revenues to pay for more services. Neither party accepts the Tory claims that tax cuts = job growth.

So, do corporate tax cuts increase employment?

The Tories’ claim that they do is based on the basic assumption that tax cuts give employers more cash, which will translate into more hiring. Does this make sense to you? This could happen. If employers need more employees, but they are unable to hire more due to a lack the cash, then a tax cut could enable those hirings. Of course, many employers don’t hire more people because they don’t need more people. They prefer to have as few employees as possible to perform the work needed, so that there is more money for profits, executive pay, and shareholders. So there is no reason whatsoever to believe that tax cuts will cause employers to hire more people. There are a myriad of other things employers might do with the extra money other than hire more workers, and no reason to believe hiring is even high on that list. The odds of a tax cut leading an employer to hire more Canadian workers is no greater than, and probably less than, the odds of that employer using the extra money to add to savings, pay higher executive bonuses, or buy a new machine for their factory in Texas or Mexico. Moreover, there are myriad factors that influence whether employers hire more workers that are completely unrelated to tax rates, so that it is virtually impossible to “prove” a linkage between tax cuts and hiring levels.

Its possible that if Canada lowered its tax rates to almost nothing, that some companies might decide to build new factories here. But good luck proving that tax cuts are driving all sorts of businesses to flock to Canada. If Canada’s tax rates were WAY higher than other Western economically advanced countries’, then the tax rate could certainly be a factor in where a company invests. But Canada is already extremely competitive in terms of international corporate tax rates, so we are only talking about making it marginally lower. Canada already offers a significant benefit to employers through our publicly funded health care system (paid for by taxes, by the way). In other countries employers burden health care costs themselves. And there will always be countries with lower taxes and lower wage workers than Canada for businesses that make investment decisions based on costs. In other words, the Conservative argument that corporate tax cuts will lead to more Canadian jobs is an argument based on faith and hope, not science or even sound economics.

The two studies referred to in the newspaper clippings suggest that in fact employers do not use money saved in tax cuts to either hire new workers or invest in new machinery or equipment. Instead, the money appears to go into savings, which do not benefit you or I at all. We know also that income inequality and poverty in Canada have been growing at alarming rates (according to the OECD) over the same period that corporate tax rates have been falling. Tax cuts are not free–we all pay for them in cuts to public services, which effects our quality of life.
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Cool Published On Thu Jan 27 2011

Tory tax cuts could trigger election

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/a...ection-trigger


Les Whittington and Susan Delacourt Ottawa Bureau

OTTAWA—A clash over Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s plan to provide corporations with billions of dollars worth of extra tax cuts is heating up as the Liberals and other opposition parties ready for a possible election after the federal budget in March.

As nearly a dozen Conservative cabinet ministers launched a cross-country blitz to defend their tax policy, Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff said Ottawa should be worrying more about middle-class families than corporations.

“The Conservatives’ proposal is to cut tax on the richest and most powerful corporations in the country — to give them a break. And what we say is that we need to give a break to ordinary Canadian families,” Ignatieff said at the end of a two-day Liberal caucus meeting.

The government’s decision to go ahead with another $6 billion in corporate tax cuts next year despite running a record deficit of $56 billion is shaping up as a possible defining issue in an election that could emerge within a few months.

Since 2007, the Harper government has been gradually reducing the corporate income tax rate from 22 per cent to 16.5 per cent as of Jan. 1. In 2012, it will fall to 15 per cent.

It’s part of a raft of business tax reductions brought in by the Conservatives that will deprive Ottawa of an estimated $60 billion in foregone tax revenue by 2013.

The Liberals and NDP argue it’s foolish to continue phasing in the tax cuts at a time when Ottawa’s finances are in turmoil and Canadian businesses taxes have already been brought down in line with other industrial countries.

“These big corporations are already profitable,” Ignatieff said. “Canadian corporate tax rates are already competitive. They don’t need them now and we’re in a $56 billion hole.

“You can cut corporate tax when you’re in a surplus. Cutting it in a deficit adds to Canada’s financial woes.”

The Liberals would roll back the latest business tax cut, leaving the corporate income tax rate at 18 per cent. The $6 billion dollars in extra federal tax revenue would be used to bolster education, family care and pensions, Liberals say.

“We think the way to create jobs is to invest in post-secondary education and help small and medium enterprises to become more competitive and take on more workers,” Ignatieff said.

Finance Minister Jim Flaherty has been widely criticized for going ahead with corporate tax cuts at a time when the government is bringing in a $1.3 billion increase in so-called payroll taxes — the Employment Insurance premiums paid by employers and workers. Such increases can lead to the loss of tens of thousands of jobs, according to the Canadian Federation of Independent Business.

In Oshawa Wednesday, Flaherty said lower business taxes will draw investment into Canada and spur companies to help the economy by investing in plant and machinery.

“If we want more jobs, higher wages, an improved standard of living for all of us, Canada needs to be an attractive place for job-creators to do business and invest,” Flaherty said, using the Conservatives’ new “job-creators” label for corporations.

The Liberal plan to partly reverse the Harper government’s gradual corporate tax reductions would put new and existing jobs at risk, Flaherty said.

Tax cuts for business could flare into a make-or-break issue for Harper’s minority government. The Liberals are vowing to vote against the budget, expected in March, if the Conservatives don’t partly rescind the corporate tax breaks. The Bloc Québécois is against corporate tax breaks and is also demanding $6 billion in new financial goodies for Quebec.

So, the New Democrats may hold the wild cards in a confidence vote on the budget — a vote that if lost by the government would trigger an election.

The NDP is against more tax support for corporate Canada but might keep Harper in power if the Conservatives respond positively to some of NDP Leader Jack Layton’s budget demands, which call for pension improvements, reduced heating fuel costs and continued eco-renovation tax breaks.

While big business has come out strongly in favour of corporate tax cuts, Parliament’s independent economic expert slammed the idea that more corporate income tax cuts will create a wave of economic growth and jobs.

The impact of reducing corporate taxes on economic expansion and jobs is negligible, Parliamentary Budget Officer Kevin Page said at a pre-budget debate in Ottawa.

Page cited a finance department analysis showing that corporate income tax cuts were much less productive as a short-term driver of economic growth than other aspects of the Conservatives’ economic stimulus spending in 2009 and 2010. Investment in infrastructure, housing, support for the unemployed and low-income households, and Employment Insurance premiums were all more effective in stoking the economy in the short term than corporate tax cuts, the finance department concluded.

Canadian Auto Workers economist Jim Stanford, who also spoke at the pre-budget debate held by Ottawa-based Canada 2020, said the idea that corporate income tax cuts will pay for themselves is “nonsense.”

He also disputed the notion that the economy and workers will benefit from increased business investment as companies have more profits to spend to expand and improve their operations.

By next year, federal taxes on corporate income will have been cut nearly in half from 2000, said Stanford. Yet, despite a decade of corporate tax cuts, business investment, a key ingredient in a healthy, growing economy, has been lagging, he said.

“Companies aren’t even reinvesting the money they are getting now.”
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On immigration, both Ignatieff and Layton took aim at the policies of the Conservatives. Ignatieff said his father might not have been able to enter the country under the Tories' policies, while Layton echoed that his mother-in-law may also not have been welcomed.

"How can we regard it as somehow acceptable that a family has to wait for 10 years for their mother or father to come and join them? That is just so wrong," Layton said

The New Democrat leader said he looks to the example of his wife Olivia Chow’s mother "who lives with us, lived with us for 20 years." "Thank goodness she wasn’t applying to come here now because she might never have got to see my granddaughter," Layton said. "That’s simply wrong and it’s tearing families apart."
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Cool 看看保守党在老巢的成果!

Calgary's public school board plans to cut another 324 full-time jobs by the fall in order to balance its budget.

The cuts – meant to help cover a $61.7 million budget shortfall for the 2011-2012 year – are on top of the 172 support staff position cuts announced last month.

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This is typical of what we see happening in our Province - Cut essential people programs and services because of deficits and debts created by a Conservative Government that sells our bitumen for 4% of it selling price ($4.40 for a barrel that sells for $110) and gives billion dollar incentives to gas drilling companies when we have a glut of natural gas and multi billions in infrastructure subsidies to foreign oil companies to build pipelines to American refineries that take jobs and taxes and the petro chemical industry out of our Province. It makes sense only to our Provincial Tories and we hear the Wildrose Alliance. They simply have no vision for the future of our Province..

Harper-nomics at work destroying our future. Then again we won't need many educated people for the McJobs that are currently being created.

Canada in a few years will consist of an elite rich ruling class, and a huge poor class of under-educated workers that are virtual slaves to the service industry jobs that they subsist by.

Has conservatism belittled itself to a level of balancing the books at the expense of those who elected them? The PC party should rename itself the Unemployment Party..

Sorry Teachers, its more important we have money to send troops to Afghanistan & all those other holes.

Wake up people. Soon the only educated people will be in places like Africa & Afghanistan. And we'll have paid for it..

Yup, cut admin to the bone. Lots of Canadian institutions have become far too top heavy, and no one seems to challenge this. What's the point of having service management if you have no service to offer?.

This is so infuriating... Other than writing letters to your MP and school trustee (which I have done and all it got me was membership to some stupid mailing list of 'concerned citizens'); what else can you do? Voting against the conservatives is futile in Alberta...

there are already 30 kids in my sons classroom. How many will he have next year? A very sad state of affairs when one of the "have" provinces cannot afford to properly educate our children. guess their bellies will be full (with food provided by their parents high paying jobs) while their minds will not be... what will happen next generation?.

My ... isn't THIS the proof of the value of Conservatism ... play cheap for years and years, refuse to tax yourself and, PRESTO! Your future for your children is at risk.

Who'd'a thunk it? This is the culmination of thoughtless spending by the Conservative government, inpower for years and bloody years in Alberta. Heaven help us all if the same small mindset, lack of foresight and poverty of caring gets into power in Ottawa with a Harper Conservative majority. This is the same sort of genius that wants power over the whole country. Calgarians, you're just the sad belle-weather system. The damage to come is far, FAR greater.

This mess kind of proves the old adage, eh? ... " You get what you pay for".

Stelmach, you're a failure..
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Maheswary Puvaneswaran住在多伦多市西南方的一座九层公寓里。她们一家来加拿大已经有13年了,可她们的生活还是很贫困。看着邻居整洁而舒适的家,她也只有羡慕的份儿。这些对她来说,都是遥不可及的梦。对她而言,现在不是幻想的时候,她得快点睡觉好养足精神工作。
在加拿大,如果你是在贫困线上挣扎着的650000人中的一员的话,你就会知道睡觉对你们来说有多么珍贵。

大约在晚上9点30左右,当大多数家庭准备要上床睡觉的时候,Maheswary Puvaneswaran 却要护送两个孩子出门。尽管两个孩子不是很乐意,可他们也不得不接受母亲这样的安排。在大门口,她同两个孩子道别,然后将孩子送到邻居那里照看。而她自己则上了一辆往北开的公共汽车。在倒了一次车之后,她在一幢公寓附近下车。这就是她在晚上11点到凌晨工作的地方,工作内容是擦地板、倒垃圾和刷厕所。

靠这个工作,她每个月最多赚1150元,而且大多数时候是少于这个数目的。而她们一家三口住的小公寓每个月的租金是849元。除去租金,就只剩下少的可怜的一点钱作为他们一家一个月的生活费用。有时,实在熬不过去,她就向朋友借钱。

Puvaneswaran在英格兰有个亲戚,她有时候会给他们一家寄些衣服。

为了维持生活,她每周给孩子的事物都是定量的:每个孩子早晚各喝一杯牛奶,她自己从来不喝;下午3点,孩子们才能吃水果,每人一个香蕉或苹果。她们每周的主食也只有大米和意大利面(一、三、五吃米饭,二、四、六吃意大利面)。只有在周日下午去印度寺庙做礼拜的时候,他们才能吃上一顿丰盛的晚餐。总而言之,在这个广阔而富饶的国家,Puvaneswaran一家的生活却过得很艰苦。

那么,为什么在移民加拿大13年之后,这位工作勤奋的母亲仍然生活在贫困之中呢?

从Puvaneswaran来到加拿大那天开始,就不断有政府的文件调查那些生活在贫困中的人。据统计,在加拿大有40%的人虽然有工作可是仍然不能为自己和家人提供舒适的生活。加拿大各个阶层的政府机构和社会团体几乎每年都呼吁加拿大政府对社会保障住房、儿童保育和收入保障计划进行改革。即使是这样,工薪阶层的困境还是没有引起政府的注意。

根据加拿大联邦政府的调查,在加拿大至少有650000人有工作但生活依然贫困,共有150万人生活在贫困家庭,其中儿童占了1/3。

像Puvaneswaran家一样的人在加拿大有很多。他们大多数是移民、少数民族和单身父母,他们被社会称之为“半透明人”。

他们的工作都是临时的,而且大部分人都是受雇于一些中介机构。这些机构会随意雇佣或解雇员工,根本无法保护他们的权利。我们很少有人会注意到他们,因为在工作没有之后,他们也就随着消失了。

调查还发现,虽然这些人都有工作,可是他们的生活跟那些靠福利金生活的人一样贫困。

社会学家和政治家认为,如果不改革加拿大的政策,那么加拿大的贫富差距将会进一步拉大。

现在,Puvaneswaran又从她的老板那里得到了另一份工作,可她认为只有再找一份工作才足以维持他们一家三口的生活。
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你搞清楚了再说话,这是因为省里教育经费紧缩的结果,和联邦保守党无关。能不用抹黑的手段吗?是自由党授意你这么做地吗?
The Herald’s Don Braid also explains that Stelmach’s recent flip-flop on the budget may have been the last straw for the embattled Alberta Progressive Conservative leader.

Braid: Stelmach predicts broken promise


In a stunning feat of anti-politics, Premier Ed Stelmach has exacerbated a sharp divide in his own government over a budget than won't even be released until 2012.

The strange result is that nobody's talking much about this year's budget, even though it's sure to come with a deficit much higher than the projected $1.1 billion.

No, the flashpoint is the unwritten budget for 2012-13, which Stelmach has long promised would be balanced.

And then, just before Christmas, he said it might not. Revenues aren't recovering well. There could still be a deficit stretching out into 2013.

Politically, Stelmach did something almost unprecedented -- he forecast a broken promise more than a year before it would happen.

Many MLAs in his caucus were startled, puzzled and worried. Why do that, when there's any hope the economy might rescue the government?

So far, few have spoken out in the premier's defence.

Then Treasury Board president Lloyd Snelgrove started talking Friday.

He insists Stelmach showed courage and honesty by giving Albertans the facts.

"No, I wasn't aware the premier was going to say that," Snelgrove said in an interview.

"But it's a very difficult position for the premier to be in, to have to suggest that we may not get there, that we may not balance the budget until later," he said.

"But I don't believe there's any point in giving people false hope. I think the premier did the right thing by saying we're on the right track but you have to be patient.

"It's reasonable to share with people that we're faced with some real challenges. They need to know because it's their money."

A large part of Snelgrove's Treasury Board job is matching spending to revenues. And he doesn't see an appealing picture.

"I would have to say that as we go further along, looking at our projected revenues, that something's gotta give."

"It's our job to lay out for the premier and cabinet what changes would have to be made to get back in the black by 2012 if that's the promise written in stone. There would have to be significant changes to the way we go forward."

But even without many changes, he doesn't foresee a 2012-13 deficit higher than $500 million.

"In an overall budget of $38 billion, that's not so bad. And we could be just one forest fire away from getting balanced."

(Disaster expenses are always an unpredictable wild card in budget forecasting.)

Snelgrove's message is identical to Stelmach's: The province will continue to cut less important items, but maintain spending on health and education, and continue to build infrastructure.

"I'm still not going to quit trying to get to a balanced position," Snelgrove said. "Everybody wants that.

"But if there was a magic bullet, somebody would have shot me already."

Despite Snelgrove's spirited defence, Stelmach's admission has caused serious internal problems.

Right-side Tory MLAs are outraged because they want more cuts to get out of the red. Progressive Tories are ready to stick with Ed's program, but still deeply uneasy.

Both sides agree on one thing: It's dangerous to lead an election campaign with a broken promise.

Many months before it really matters, they are a worried bunch.

Don Braid's column appears regularly in the Herald. db

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有点常识好吗?省保守党不参加联邦选举,加拿大宪法规定联邦和省享有不同权力(分权),教育属于省的权力范围,你不懂吗?Stelmach属于省保守党还是联邦保守党?
加拿大有几个保守党?联邦选举靠的选民基础是什么?省保守党是不是不需要推行联邦保守党的坏理论?或者它改个党名得了!

联邦和省享有不同权力(分权)是两码事!管辖范围不同而已,施政理论及政治纲领并无不同! 所以造成恶果是必然的,只是伤害范围不同,省保守党害全省居民,联邦保守党正在伤害全加国民!如果让它一党独大的阴谋得逞,它将在今后几年中毁掉自由党执政多年加拿大积累的成就!

ABC一下,看看加拿大的退休金保障制度,医疗保障制度是那个党推动建立的。这次选举也是自由党在推动注重教育,医疗,家庭保障,团聚移民,合理税收,科学防灾,科技兴国!保守党除了谎言还是谎言,哈勃是加拿大第一个因招不信任解散的政府。

老巢CALGARY的选民都多有部分转向自由党的趋势!这不是我的统计是CBC今晚的新闻报道!
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大部分老百姓的房子是用来自住的, 不卖也不租, 房价涨跌和老百姓有什么关系? 以前好好的, 如今老百姓的地税是被高涨的, 这些都是保守党的不良作为. 这次选举, 自由党或新民主党一再说过不加税!!!
它不断给富的流油的大企业减税,美其名曰增加就业,实际上是增加赤字,减少服务,最后所有的赤字还得靠向国民征税来填,是名副其实的杀平济副富!得利的多是米国大企.更有贪污浪费,它如继续执政,迟早我们会陷入比米国那样的经济危机.
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Cool Liberals call for probe 

Liberals call for probe Tory G8 spending.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cana...spending.html#

"How much more basic does it get? They received legal authority to spend money for the Border Infrastructure Fund. For the border. Not for pet projects in Tony Clement's riding," Jennings said at a press conference Wednesday.

"They used money that they were not allowed to use ... and they tried to hide it."

Conservative spokesman Sparrow did not respond to a question about the movement of the $40.5 million from the approved fund to a different budget line.

The federal auditor general analyzed the $1-billion cost of staging last June's G8 summit in Ontario cottage country and a subsequent gathering of G20 leaders in downtown Toronto. Sheila Fraser's report was due to be tabled in Parliament April 15, but has been delayed by the election.

After leaks of early drafts of the report two weeks ago, all parties called on the auditor general to release her final report. Fraser said that is not possible under the law governing her office.

OH! THIS IS GONNA BE GOOD!

I'd like to know too.

Tell us Mr. Harper, how much of this $1.3 billion dollars "FOR SECURITY" was wasted?

Was it 40%, 60% or 80%.

We've heard the horror stories of how the US military misplaced over three trillion dollars prior to 9/11.

http://cleveland.indymedia.org/news/2005/01/14509.php

The next G8/20 will be held in France. President Sarkozy was sarcastic when he left Toronto when he found out the bill was one billion dollars. He stated the next summit will cost less than 300 million Can.
Think about it, how can a government spend one billion dollars in a week-end. I don't believe for a second that the ' Harper government ' can honestly justify that expenditure. And yes THIS IS A BIG DEAL ,Conservative supporters. We're 33 million in Canada ,do the math .This wild uncontrolled orgy of spending cost each and every Canadian $30 .
I read the total cost for the Vancouver Olympics held over a 2 week period was less.
And they secured the sites well in advance.
Why not insist that the Auditor General Sheila Fraser present to Canadians her report on the G8/20. Or is that the reason why Harper pushed the buttons for an election ?.

Don't let facts get in the way of a good story.. the HARPER GOVERNMENT was probably the worst in our history.. that is of unless you listen to him. I just wish I had a party to vote for .. ABC ...

I was a Progressive Conservative for 38 years.. I do not know these Reform Conservatives other than they are down right nasty folks. When the liberals subjected us to the sponsorship scandal.. we voted them out. It seems the more slime these reformers lay on us the more popular they become. Says a lot about todays society. What has happened to our Country ?? Vote ABC .. this harper regime must be ousted..
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今天早上又听到广播说华人社区对选举不热衷。
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/...nce-polls.html

Dear Canadians,

Please come together
in the center for the sake of Canada,
and help one another
develop a healthy and educated
population and society
to create a better environment
that will build
a stronger economy , country and democracy.

Harper has proven he is contemptuous and incompetent (them fighter jets) and Not here for Canadians or Canada.

Get out and Vote May 2nd.

it only took me a ten-fifteen minute wait in the rain to get in and vote and that was easy and done . mark an X. thats all it took.

it's Our future and lets take control of of it and Dump the Harper Conservatives.

Steven Harper = Scripted
His handlers won't let him talk because we might see the real Harper.
The Conservatives have no respect for the intelligence of Canadians, it's all a game of power for them. We were once a proud nation of peace keepers, but under Harper we've become our worst nightmare and an extension of the US killing machine. Just look how fast we sent our aircraft to bomb Libya. Shame on you Harper for joining in an illegal action and declaring war against a sovereign nation for oil. The No Fly Zone has turned into a bombing and killing spree for OIL.

Canada needs compassion and Change and a new person who will say NO to the killing. Bring our troops home - Stop the killing! Vote change - bring our sons and daughters home.

You know I can relate to why someone could vote Conservative. The possibility exists that you could have a dedicated informed principled individual who knows what they are talking about. There's one in my riding.

What I don't get is how you could even consider voting Conservative given the litany of misdeeds and the danger involved with giving Stephen Harper another kick at our cans.

With a choice between wild speculation and facts, I prefer facts:

Mulroney (Conservative): Deficit
Chretien/Martin (Liberal): Huge surplus
Harper (Conservative): Gargantuan deficit

Yup, I think we know who's best at tending to the fiscal needs of government.

Actually, crime rates have been going down. And cutting health care and social services in return for lower personal taxes and more fighter jets that kill people seems like the "me first mentality" from where I'm sitting.

I think we agree about where we want to go. Where we differ is how to get there.

I advanced on Monday,
I had just seen Harper on tv telling more lies and I just couldn't take it any more. I went to vote and took back my voice. I voted him and his bs party out.

What a great feeling, go on and vote to experience it for yourself.
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Conservatives find it harder to rope in Alberta vote

The New Democrats are surging nationally, the Liberals are pushing to win back an old stronghold, and a revolt is taking hold in a once safe Tory seat.

Things aren’t as easy as they used to be for Conservatives in Alberta.

Strong races have emerged in four of the province’s 28 ridings, which the Conservatives swept in 2006 and where they won all but one seat in 2008.


The challenges have stirred up campaigns that have typically been thought to be foregone conclusions federally. Underscoring the importance of this development, New Democratic Party Leader Jack Layton will host a rally on Wednesday evening – not in seat-rich Ontario or British Columbia, but in Edmonton, where only three years ago, few thought his party ever had a chance.

Among the four races to watch, only one has emerged as a three-way battle: Edmonton Centre, the one-time constituency of former Liberal deputy prime minister Anne McLellan.

Ms. McLellan was knocked off in 2006 by Laurie Hawn, a retired Air Force Lieutenant-Colonel who made a name for himself by relentlessly knocking on thousands of doors to defeat Ms. McLellan.

He easily won re-election in 2008, when overall voter turnout and Liberal support both plunged by about 10,000 votes. Liberals stayed home. But now, they’re rallying behind Mary MacDonald, 52, Ms. McLellan’s former deputy chief of staff, who is giving Mr. Hawn a run for his money.

But she’ll have to keep up with him.

“Don’t ever miss a house,” Mr. Hawn, 63, said on Monday as he zigzagged down a street, regularly jogging and slowed up only by his knee brace.

At the doors, Mr. Hawn carried the party banner on every issue, including the military mission in Afghanistan (“A tough story, but a success story”), a committee finding Conservative leader Stephen Harper in contempt of Parliament (A “kangaroo court,” Mr. Hawn scoffed), the budget and economy (“We own those files”) and opposition complaints about an untendered fighter-plane contract (“Lies,” he told one homeowner).

But even a dynamo encounters opposition.

“I’m a little torn about what to do. Do I vote for the man, or the party? I’m getting a little fed up with the party,” Bonnie Barbeau, a nurse and mother of two, told him on Monday. “Laurie’s a good guy. Laurie might have good ideas [but]… I don’t like the partisan vote thing.”

That disenchantment is what had the Liberals eyeing this riding, which includes the downtown core.

“The base is certainly back. It will be a sprint to the finish,” Ms. MacDonald said. However, she’s not the only challenger, and any disenchanted voters are being split – she and New Democrat Lewis Cardinal, 49, have both been campaigning since 2009.

Ms. MacDonald insists the Liberals are “the only other player in the game.” Mr. Cardinal dismisses that as a myth.

“The Liberals are saying if you don’t vote for us, you vote for Laurie Hawn… it doesn’t add up,” he said.

Another battleground is Edmonton Strathcona, where incumbent New Democrat Linda Duncan is seeking to fend off Conservative challenger Ryan Hastman. Both camps expect the race will go down to the wire.

In Edmonton East, New Democrats are hoping to pull off another upset. Former provincial NDP leader Ray Martin is taking on five-term MP Peter Goldring, a Conservative.

Mr. Martin, 69, returned to politics in 2008 and took a surprising 31 per cent of the vote, well short of Mr. Goldring’s 51 per cent but nearly identical to Ms. Duncan’s totals in 2006. She won on her next try, and Mr. Martin hopes to do the same. His former riding and that of current provincial NDP leader Brian Mason lie within Edmonton East.

“Put it this way – we’re very encouraged,” he said.
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看看自由党的platform吧,那才是我们需要的!

http://www.liberal.ca/platform/

Message from Michael Ignatieff

It’s time to put equal opportunity back at the centre of our idea of Canada.
Our country has so much going for it: great people, free institutions, amazing natural resources. But what has really made Canada successful has been equal opportunity. We believe every family ought to be able to prosper; every child should get a good start in life; every new immigrant deserves a fair chance to get ahead.

Equal opportunity is what makes Canada great.

Liberal governments have built up the foundations of equality – establishing universal medicare, a good public pension system and a Charter of Rights and Freedoms guaranteeing equality of rights and responsibilities for all Canadians. Now, we’re looking to the future.

Our platform in this election has one overriding objective: to make equal opportunity a reality for every Canadian, whether you live in a big city, a small town, a remote community, a farm or a fishing village.

We will invest in quality, affordable child care for every young family that needs it. We will help every family with the costs of college or university, so your kids can be ready for the jobs of tomorrow. We will help families take time off from work to look after sick loved ones at home. We’ll strengthen universally accessible health care for all, and build on the Canada Pension Plan so everyone can retire in security and dignity. We’ll also have a new tax credit to help with the up-front costs of renovations to make your home more energy-efficient.

Finally, since opportunities for Canadians are now global, we will promote Canadian success overseas and stand up for the proud ideal that a citizen of Canada is truly a citizen of the world.

We can afford to do this while reducing the Conservative deficit responsibly, without raising your taxes, by making better choices. We will cancel unnecessary and unaffordable tax cuts for the largest corporations, reverse wasteful spending habits and focus on what really matters – giving every Canadian the tools to succeed in the years ahead.

Advancing equal opportunity is the work of a healthy democracy. But in the last five years, our democratic institutions have been weakened by an autocratic and secretive regime that evades the rules and shuts down debate. We will begin the hard work of restoring the credibility of Parliament and reconnecting government to the people it serves.

That’s our election pledge to you: a government that respects our democracy and strengthens equal opportunity for every man, woman and child in this incredible country. When each of us gets a chance to succeed, we all succeed together.
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看看自由党的platform吧,那才是我们需要的!

http://www.liberal.ca/platform/
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Hoping that Canada is going through some kind of mid life crisis and that once Canadians get flirting with the right and left out of their system they will come to their senses and re-elect the Liberals. The only party offering a platform which is truly in line with traditional Canadian values..

Liberals are offering a very different approach to the economy. Check it out! http://t.co/wzuX0jU

The Canada that we cherish and have taken for granted was largely built by Liberal governments with a positive vision for our future, one that sought to unite rather than divide us as a people. Liberals believe that Canada should be positively engaged with the world and contribute to addressing looming global challenges such as climate change. Under Liberal governments, Canada was always a valued and trusted contributor to the international community. It would have been unthinkable for us to be asked to leave the room so that progress could be made, as happened in the UN Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen. The Land Mines Treaty, the Montreal Protocol on the ozone layer and the International Criminal Court all made us proud to be Canadians. In five short years, Mr. Harper has eroded that esteem to the point that world governments no longer even perceive us as being worthy of a UN Security Council seat. It will take a Liberal government to restore our global stature.

Mr. Harper’s $1.2 billion G8/G20 boondoggle was the inevitable consequence of highly partisan, one-man decision-making that doesn’t ask for costed options and is unresponsive to contrary facts. Other examples abound; e.g., committing $30 billion to buy fighter planes without competitive bids and the “tough on crime” agenda which the Globe’s Jeffrey Simpson has insightfully labelled “stupid on crime”. Just one of the government’s 13 crime bills, which they claimed would cost $90 million over 5 years, will actually cost Canadians $2 billion every year. They refuse to give cost estimates for the others. Why were Kingston’s prison farms closed? And why should we go billions in debt to build superprisons at a time when crime rates are falling?

Successive Liberal governments built Canada into a nation that was the envy of the world through a visionary but rational evidence-based approach to public policy that emphasized compassion and equality of opportunity. Unlike Mr. Harper’s narrowly partisan, obsessively ideological approach, Liberals recognize that complex, interrelated problems can’t be solved by simplistic solutions. We listen to those who will be affected by our policy proposals, to the experts who know enough about the subject atter to be able to point out unintended consequences, and to good ideas from other political parties. That openness is what it takes to govern well, to make Parliament work. Canada needs a far more mature and rational government than Mr. Harper’s to thrive in tomorrow’s challenging, rapidly changing world.

For more information on the Liberal platform, please click on one or more of the following: Highlights of the Liberal Platform • Platform Summary • Full Platform Document

We are currently being ruled by an angry, right-wing minority who want to turn the clock back to an idealized Canada past that never really was. Our votes are largely wasted, split as they are among four competing centre-left parties. In this election, everyone who chooses not to vote Liberal is in effect voting for a Harper majority. The stakes are too high for any of us to ignore that reality.
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Thumbs up 自由党越来越得人心!

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弄了半天,自由党越来越得人心。
On Election Day VOTE LIBERAL

Michael Ignatieff ran a solid campaign. He is a unique politician; knowledgeable, well spoken and has obviously experienced the world and taken it all in. His views come from down deep inside and he has a lot of integrity. This is the type of person we should be proud of having as Canada's next Prime Minister. The Liberal Party has an excellent platform. The Liberal Party is the only party that has presented a platform which is for the better good of most Canadians. The platform is the most visionary of all platforms presented and takes into account the changing needs of Canadians. Canada is getting closer to making its decision known. I truly hope that Canadians, come election day, come the moment of truth, the time when the ballot needs a final check mark or X, that Canadians will see the decision as being one of the most important ones we've taken in years, maybe decades. This is the moment of truth folks. This is the right time to BRING BACK THE LIBERAL PARTY OF CANADA.A vote for Harper is for an agenda that will bring Canada nothing but hardship later; somewhat similar to what we saw happen to the United States with the Bush II Era. Big spending coupled with a significant loss of revenue for government coffers = short term gain and long term pain. A vote for Layton is for an agenda that will bring Canada nothing. The platform costs are not accurate and cannot be paid for as presented as the revenue stream simply doesn. exist. This means, they will spend, spend, spend and grow our deficit and debt or they will simply not move forward with the platform ?can anyone say BROKEN PROMISES? The NDP has over promised and are poised to under deliver. I.l admit it is an attractive platform except the platform depends heavily on taxes from a Cap and Trade program that doesn. exist.The Liberal Party platform is the best option for anyone voting for a left leaning party with the common sense of a centralist party. Progressive Liberals ?rise up and be counted. On Election Day VOTE LIBERAL
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Cool 加拿大大选分析!

首先,保守党政府是历史上第一个因蔑视国会而倒台的政府。虽然保守党的候选人力图把事件淡化及转移视线,但却不能改变保守党被裁定蔑视国会的事实。

在这次选举,总理哈珀不断重复又重复的议题基本上只有两个:一,这场不必要的选举是由反对党所带来的;二,保守党需要成为大多数政党才能对抗反对党结盟组成联合政府。

保守党人虽然竭力把举行选举的责任归咎给在野党,但实情却是,保守党作为少数政府的执政党,哈珀的责任比其他任何一个反对党都要大。在我们的民主制度下,少众政府必须跟其他政党合作才能维持执政,而政府在制定法律和政策前先要作出咨询和讨论是执政者的基本责任。哈珀政府的法案或财政预算案其实只要获得三个反对党的其中一个政党支持,便能顺利在国会通过。同样,若果保守党以坦诚合作的态度为国会提供所需的资讯,便不会被裁定蔑视国会。

政府会否因为法案或财政案在国会不获通过而倒台,执政党是有相当主动权的。保守党其实已经两任执政了超过5年。

哈珀没有跟大家说,当他在野时曾经跟新民主党和魁人政团商讨组织联合政府。他当然也不会讲,保守党在倒台前半年已经花了数百万元购买政治广告攻击对手。那究竟是谁人处深积累要举行大选呢?

保守党在这次选举支持度的大幅下挫代表加拿大群众不满现状和思变的心。这些不满是多方面的,由政府的欠缺诚信、不民主、资源和经济利益分配的失衡、层出不穷的丑闻...

究竟今次选举的结果如何,那要等到5月2日才有分晓,但根据预先投票的数字显示,民众投票的意欲比上次选举要强。

过去十多年政府不断的向右倾斜,只顾大商家利益而漠视人民生活压力的日益沉重,导致大量民众向左转。今次选举有关应否继续给与大企业减税的讨论,便正正反映出问题的根源。

过去十年,联邦政府不断给大企业减税,由原来的29%减到目前的16.5%,而保守党还要再给它减至15%(美国的税率是35%)。保守党声称这样的减税有助在经济不景气中推动经济和创造就业,但在这方面做研究的学者却指出,从过去40年企业税收与商业投资的数字分析,两者没有明显关系。

即使是联邦财政部官员所做的调查亦显示,大企业的行政人员并不认为削减企业利得税是有效创造就业的方法。在推动经济方面,政府每1元投入基建,便会产生1.5元的经济效益。但每1元政府用作给与企业减税,却只能收得0.2元的本地经济效益。

对于新民主党和自由党(虽然有点为时已晚,但该党最终还是醒觉)提出要把企业利得税调升回两年前19.5%的水平,保守党人恐吓说会损害经济和吓走投资者。

其实,我们只要用常理想想,便会知道这纯粹是欺人之言。企业会否在加拿大开业、投资,关键在于能否赚钱而非要付多少利得税。试问,在这里年赚数以亿元计的企业又怎会因为增加利得税而离开呢?您认为皇家银行或罗渣士传讯走到美国可以赚到那么多钱吗?相反,若果在这里没钱赚,又或正在惨淡经营的,政府减利得税又有舎用?

在加拿大,真正赚大钱的行业如银行、保险、通讯、石油等,都是在只有数家大企业垄断市场,消费者任由鱼肉的情况下赚的。加拿大的数家银行,去年盈利便高达210亿,但哈珀还要给它们减8亿7千万元税。我们的互联网和手机收费,是西方世界中最高的。至于那些倚靠售卖属于加拿大国民的天然资源而赚大钱的企业,政府抽税是天经地义的事情。

荒谬的是,在哈珀的政纲中,有关利民的减税政策要等到平衡财政预算后才会引进,但给与大企业的减税却可以在历史性最高赤字的情况下推行。

其实,单是把企业利得税调升回两年前的水平,政府每年便有额外90到100亿元可以用在人民身上。由此可见,过去十年联邦政府单是为大企业减税便丧失了天文数字的税收。
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