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他们都是英雄。 27 36.00%
杨佳是英雄,刘晓波是汉奸。 14 18.67%
刘晓波是英雄,杨佳是流氓。 4 5.33%
他们都不是啥好东西。 30 40.00%
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旧 Dec 11th, 2011, 01:08     #1
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默认 刘晓波和杨佳谁是英雄?

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旧 Dec 11th, 2011, 11:02   只看该作者   #2
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刘小波是王朔笔下的中国人是猪,一个大白馒头扔过去,立马又焉了
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旧 Dec 11th, 2011, 17:37   只看该作者   #3
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我认为两个人都是英雄,杨佳是以暴制暴,小小年纪被逼上梁山。但我不太认同滥杀无辜,应该用其他方式向制度开炮。警察同志们,大多数也是制度的牺牲品,红旗下的蛋,为了糊口而已。

刘晓波同志有系统有理论地试图改变制度,试图过妥协,也被斗争。我个人不认同2楼的观点,即“丢个馒头立刻消停”。刘晓波同志现在虽然被压制了 ,但是他的思想还在,曲线救国嘛,他并没有出来否认他之前的工作,这就是斗争。就好比“昂山素季”女士,被关了10来年,她也做出了某种妥协,才熬到今日成了“美国口中的英雄”。

此一时,彼一时。有的时候明哲保身,拿上那块馒头,可能也是为了不被饿死,将来有朝一日翻身做“主人”呢?

话虽如此,我尊重杨佳和刘晓波各自的选择。他们的存在让我们继续活着或者活在相对“自由”的当下的人们深思。这就是他们的全部价值。

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旧 Dec 11th, 2011, 18:28   只看该作者   #4
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我也对2楼所提到的“大白馒头”弄得一头雾水?烦劳您再给点提示,啥样的待遇算得上“大白馒头”?
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旧 Dec 12th, 2011, 21:31   只看该作者   #5
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杨相当于王二小那样勇敢
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旧 Dec 13th, 2011, 12:37   只看该作者   #6
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杨佳就是个TM个loser. 他要算英雄, 本拉灯也是.

俺80年代初念初中时, 学校体罚很厉害, 上体育课没站好被老师挥拳过来打掉一颗牙, 我哥和父母闹到学校最终也不过是赔点医药费, 那个年代,没办法的事. 俺这牙一直到了加拿大才彻底补好, 我不明白是不是一定要着刀进学校砍死几个不相干的男教师才算讨个说法?才算反抗了那该死的GCD教育体制??
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旧 Dec 13th, 2011, 15:19   只看该作者   #7
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杨佳就是个TM个loser. 他要算英雄, 本拉灯也是.

俺80年代初念初中时, 学校体罚很厉害, 上体育课没站好被老师挥拳过来打掉一颗牙, 我哥和父母闹到学校最终也不过是赔点医药费, 那个年代,没办法的事. 俺这牙一直到了加拿大才彻底补好, 我不明白是不是一定要着刀进学校砍死几个不相干的男教...
我就针对你的第一句话,说一下我的看法,本拉登身世太复杂,我是没能力了解他的前世今生,仅仅从媒体报道上来判断这人是英雄还是狗熊,太过于简单。

而且杨佳和拉登本身没有可比性,因为杨佳的遭遇以及反抗比较单纯,没有过于复杂的派系利益以及政治目的。而拉登同志的背后,我就不说啥了,因为我什么都不知道哈。

你的第二个故事,我只能向你表示同情,进了一所体罚的学校。
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旧 Dec 13th, 2011, 21:55   只看该作者   #8
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面对强大的敌人时不怕牺牲英勇抗争的都是英雄。从这点上说拉登是穆斯林眼里的英雄。
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旧 Dec 14th, 2011, 13:29   只看该作者   #9
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杨佳就是个TM个loser. 他要算英雄, 本拉灯也是.

俺80年代初念初中时, 学校体罚很厉害, 上体育课没站好被老师挥拳过来打掉一颗牙, 我哥和父母闹到学校最终也不过是赔点医药费, 那个年代,没办法的事. 俺这牙一直到了加拿大才彻底补好, 我不明白是不是一定要着刀进学校砍死几个不相干的男教...
本拉灯不是我们的英雄他是穆斯林的英雄,不要掩耳盗铃。
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旧 Dec 14th, 2011, 14:23   只看该作者   #10
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本拉灯不是我们的英雄他是穆斯林的英雄,不要掩耳盗铃。
真正掩耳盗铃的是那群坐在电脑后的keyboard warrior, 自己没胆孬种, 看着杨loser杀了些不相干的人就着实意淫了一把, 跟鲁爷口中的阿Q和吃人血馒头其实完全一个样。 从这点上来说, 他们确实远不如杨loser。
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旧 Dec 14th, 2011, 22:45   只看该作者   #11
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我认为两个人都是英雄,杨佳是以暴制暴,小小年纪被逼上梁山。但我不太认同滥杀无辜,应该用其他方式向制度开炮。警察同志们,大多数也是制度的牺牲品,红旗下的蛋,为了糊口而已。

刘晓波同志有系统有理论地试图改变制度,试图过妥协,也被斗争。我个人不认同2楼的观点,即“丢个馒头立刻消停”。刘晓波同志现在虽...
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旧 Dec 15th, 2011, 08:17   只看该作者   #12
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刘小波象辛亥革命和解放战争时期要求民主自由人权的民主爱国志士。

杨佳我反对,他就象电影里跟国民党警察英勇斗争的地下共产党员,一模一样。
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面对强大的敌人时不怕牺牲英勇抗争的都是英雄。从这点上说拉登是穆斯林眼里的英雄。
错得离谱,拉登连你全家都要杀,你全家是拉登强大的敌人?而且他杀了你全家拉登还是英雄?愚昧。
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面对强大的敌人时不怕牺牲英勇抗争的都是英雄。从这点上说拉登是穆斯林眼里的英雄。
我不太苟同。穆斯林内部主流分两派,两派里也有很多细小支脉,我不太懂,但是不同的穆斯林,对拉登的态度也不一样,有的喜欢他,有的也特讨厌他。(以前跟同事和同学曾经聊到过拉登和恐怖主义)。但是穆斯林内部如何看待拉登同志,恐怕你我永远无法知道,因为我们没办法穿过那层“面纱”。。
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They both failed...so...
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Just know that Mr. Liu's father is a high ranking official in the Chinese army, PLA---The largest army in the world. He is a teacher/professor for PLA.

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Just know that Mr. Liu's father is a high ranking official in the Chinese army, PLA---The largest army in the world. He is a teacher for the PLA
And one of Mr. Liu's collegues, Chinese general says US was behind Nobel Peace Prize for Mr. Liu's son a dissident.

Beijing - A top Chinese general on Wednesday said the United States was the behind the award of the Nobel Peace Prize to a jailed Chinese dissident.

Chen Bingde, the chief of the general staff of the People's Liberation Army, made his comments at a meeting with German Defence Minister Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg in Beijing.

Chen said the US had put pressure on the Nobel committee via the Norwegian government to give the prize to Liu Xiaobo, who was jailed for 11 years in December for sedition.

'When someone is against the US government, he is defined as a terrorist. When someone is against the Chinese government, he is a prize winner,' Chen said.

The general belongs to the top military leaders around President Hu Jintao and is a member of the powerful Central Military Commission.

Guttenberg on Tuesday met with Defence Minister Liang Guanglie and spoke 'intensively, openly and clearly' about the award of the Nobel prize to Liu.

The German government wants Liu to be freed and allowed to collect the prize in person in Oslo in December.

Chen also said Washington was partially to blame for the war in Afghanistan because in the 1980s the US trained Islamists to fight the Soviet Union.

He also accused the Western media of biased reporting against China. 'Some media only report the negative side of China.'

Chen warned against excessive expectations of economic development in China, saying there was no chance at the present of overtaking the US as the world's strongest economy. 'We will remain a developing country for a very long time.'

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两个都不是好东西,一个杀人犯,一个是蠹虫。
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