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旧 Mar 3rd, 2008, 12:26     #1
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这是新的测试结果,看来vista是垃圾级的东西,不过是为硬件厂商卖东西作借口。

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=1332&page=4

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=1332

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=1395

现在丑闻已经泄出来了,MS内部的email也公开了,正在打官司,vista有意欺骗顾客
http://blogs.zdnet.com/storage/?p=298

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/images/03_data_c.jpg
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旧 Mar 3rd, 2008, 12:31     #2
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现在还为vista辩护,简直就是笑话,正好赶上个大丑闻。从来不看英文新闻的,还是要看啊

http://www.informationweek.com/blog/...oft_combi.html

http://apcmag.com/8344/has_vista_lost_all_credibility
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旧 Mar 3rd, 2008, 13:06     #3
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Vista是个过渡产品,评价很低,和xp当年完全不一样。

xp当年换的是w2k内核,尽管速度不如win98,但稳定性显著提高。而vista并没有带来功能上的什么提升,速度反而下降了,连读文件都比xp要慢得多,不知道有什么好处?(注,win98和xp比不太公平,毕竟fat32和nfts没有可比性,而vista和xp就完全可以一比)。xp其实比win2k不慢的,所以没有这么大规模要求downgrade的

这儿有精确的技术分析测试,这已经不是光用户界面的问题了
http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=1338
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旧 Mar 3rd, 2008, 17:08     #4
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vista的命运就是另一个win me,其他的就不用多说了。

它是对x2k内核的一次大over haul,这么大的改动,当然你不要指望它一次就改好,等下个版本吧。xp只是把w2k内核统一到所有平台,事情要简单些,内核本身改动并不大。
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旧 Mar 3rd, 2008, 20:49     #5
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很多人有误解,64位和速度毫无关系,甚至不如32位。这和16位升到32位是不一样的,
因为日常生活,32位处理无论浮点数整数,已经是绰绰有余,根本用不着64位,可
以说99%的应用是用不到64位的。

采用64位,是因为CAD和视频编辑的需要,32位只能支持4G内存直接询址,4G现在对
大视频编辑已经是不够了。但对平常人,完全是用不到的。就是现在所谓的64位CPU的
PC,那也只是询址64位,而不是数据64位,除非你的内存过了4G,否则速度不会高。
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旧 Mar 3rd, 2008, 21:51     #6
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呵呵,胡说八道的又来了
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旧 Mar 4th, 2008, 12:14     #7
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win me其实不差(相对win98),主要是同时有了win2000,它的生命才短。它是可以装在usb盘的原生系统(win pe too,but no gui)。
呵呵,win me 和w2k完全不一样,一个是98线上的,dos的后代,一个是nt的后代,给business用的,不知道怎么个替代法?w2k基本没法玩游戏,所以才有xp。

基本上就没什么人用me,消费者大多是直接蹦到xp去了
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旧 Mar 4th, 2008, 12:49     #8
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NT内核可以讲是微软最成功的东西之一,w2k就是NT 5,xp也是用它的内核,发表到现在8年了还在支持。win me比w2k出来还晚半年,两年寿命就结束了。注册表不光是nt有,95,98上都有,linux上也有类似的东西,叫gconfig。

vista估计就是win me的命,同样都没有新的什么功能,还一大堆麻烦。等windows 7吧,按计划明年出,大概这个nt内核也不是很好改的。
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旧 Mar 4th, 2008, 13:00     #9
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windows 7用的是新内核,叫MinWin, 而不是vista改了半截子的东西。

看操作系统,不光要看外表啊

Windows 7第一个验证发布
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6c/7desktop.png
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呵呵,内核就相当于car的engine和齿轮箱,你不关心?那就讲喷漆好了

这年头真实什么人都有,关于vista,专业评论很多,光看外表就讲好坏的,还不如看个图像。
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旧 Mar 4th, 2008, 14:17     #11
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Miniwin这个内核还在实验阶段吧,想要重建一个内核并用在下一个版本中好象有点太仓促!
2007年就出来了

vista的内核,是对nt内核的大修补,也改了好多,但是臃肿了很多
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呵呵,还是别和fans争论了,fans本来就是不讲理的

看看MS的高级工程师怎么说,minwin和vista内核的区别

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase...win_inside.asp

从这篇文章,可以看得很清楚: windows 7和vista本来都是建立在新内核上的,叫minwin。但是vista发布的很匆忙(别的来源已经说过了),所以只是用了其中的componentization概念,主要用于servicing,是新旧混合物,而不是精心的全盘修改。
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旧 Mar 4th, 2008, 15:09     #13
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俺个人的看法,minwin已经是ms在干了多年的东西了,本来想用在vista上的,但没来得及,所以vista一拖再拖。最后搞成了个杂烩,谁都不满意。

nt这个内核已经10多年了,据说已有几千个dll之类的东西,无法再维持了。现在的minwin无疑是学了linux的概念,用了catalog,从新开始。所以等到7,无疑是一大跃进,到时候vista的过渡性,就明显出来了。

现在的迹象,ms是要早发布windows 7, 在明年而不是原计划的2010年,vista的鸡肋特性,已经暴露无遗。
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这是minwin的启动画面,MS明显的是在向linux偷东西。从定义明确的内核概念,到catalog这个名词,都是从linux学的。

以后就是一个winux的玩意,不过使用起来,估计比现在的windows要好得多.

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这个minwin不单卖, 但是将来肯定有人会hack出来, 到时候搞一套, 就成了像linux console server那样的东西. 还是很不错的, ms连偷带学, 要不人家怎么进步呢?

估计到时候各式各样建在minwin上的措作系统都会有, 而且都兼容, 就像linux一样.
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两年以后还有vista?w 7都出来了。

微软历史上,win 3.1,95/98,nt 4,w2k, xp可以算是经典一些,其他根本就是昙花一现。vista,从技术角度讲,就是垃圾。windows那个architecture,已经无法再继续搞下去了。所以要完全重起炉灶,学linux的结构。

谁还要等2年才能看出来,拿这人就是完全不懂技术,难怪整天说外行话。
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64位除了大规模运算,没有什么新东西,根本不是革命性的变革。
其实其他公司,64早都有了,但64的编译器没有,软件很少。

linux从来没听说过64位的说法, 只有intel+ms这一对骗子,整体骗人。

现在intel威胁微软,欺骗用户的email已经曝光,看看这俩骗子如何收场。
计算机历史上,早期的机子,都是长字的,大都是60,70位,后来是越搞越短,像ibm有名的360,是36位。长字其实影响速度,过去搞长字,是因为编译技术不行,所以搞得指令集极其复杂,后来就不需要了。

现在上64位,主要是因为寻址,和速度已经关系不大了。
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俺不合你说什么的,你根本就不懂技术。

和你讨论图像用户接口什么的,没什么意思
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你放心好了,俺从来就没有搞过IT。但是很多东西和你没法说,就像和女人说汽车一样,对牛弹琴。

你说vista好的那些东西,听起来其实很好笑的,你完全就不懂。
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请问内核有哪些改变?
基本就是xp的内核,加了模块化(从minwin来得概念),而且改动的东西,主要是涉及到系统updating这一块。
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