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旧 Dec 4th, 2008, 23:42     #1
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前几个月被别人的车碰了一下;人家的车是volkswagen;只刮了一点漆;我的是Toyota,corola;外壳冒烟了;车轮的零件换了;车门瓢了。我还脖子受伤了。
感觉日本车,安全性是很差,maybe 减震也很差。
下决心买个安全性好的。但家里2个老人2个孩子;共6个人;
请大家帮忙推荐好车!如果是...
轿车的话,Buick Lucerne CXL,Column shifter的车型可以坐6。
想买越野车的话,Tahoe和Enclave都不错,油耗也不是很高。
最安全的还是Full size truck,比如Silverado/Sierra,F-150,Dodge RAM。这些车虽然碰撞测试分数不是很高(框架结构的关系),但实际生活中是最安全的。

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这些轻卡我猜想可能是独立悬挂的结构,下面的车架钢板老厚了。我有一次在高速上看到Dodge RAM(可能是这个因为我看到一个羊头的标志)被一辆compact size的VAN追尾(当时塞车,车速大约40的样子),那个皮卡一点事没有,后保险杠还是亮锃锃的,可后面的面包车车头马上前面瘪了,水箱哗哗地流水,...
与悬挂系统没关系,主要是与construction method有关。Body-on-frame的结构毫无疑问比普通家用minivan和轿车的Unibody结实的多,可抗造耐用的多,能承担极其恶劣的操作环境和碰撞。
缺点是质量大,油耗高,crumple zone不如unibody变形吸能好,这就是为什么Body-on-frame的车碰撞测试都得不了高分的原因;一旦超过了车体所能承受的限度范围,Body-on-frame的车对乘员的伤害反而更大;当然了,除非你用pickup撞18轮或者墙壁,否则都在可承受的限度度范围之内。
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旧 Dec 6th, 2008, 12:49     #3
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Body-on-frame是不是所说的非承载式车身?也就是车体是单独的,下面另外有个车架?
对了,又称底盘大梁架,底下是个ladder frame。一般用于极端abuse的车上,比如真正off road的SUV和pickups,质量很大也比较笨重,不过在与小车的碰撞中总是占优势,车体不怎么塌缩。

轿车里面已经基本淘汰这种构架方式了,现在所有的日本和欧洲轿车都是unibody,前方有很大的设计塌缩区以备变形吸能以很好的保护驾驶员安全。

美国车有几个例外:Panther平台生产的大型美国轿车依然采用Body-on-frame,典型就是Crown Victoria,能承担极其恶劣的暴力虐待,碰撞之后不需要straighten out the frame,任何损坏掉的车体部分都可以随意拆卸更换,花费很低;基本没有crumple zone,只是前方加了一个clip,严重的碰撞会使其fall off。基于这些特点而用于装备警察和出租。

最后回到你的问题,为了安全,轿车一定要买unibody的;而对大型越野车和pickup而言,body-on-frame反而更好些。

http://www.91bi.com/html/comm/chetijiegou_109001.htm
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旧 Dec 6th, 2008, 14:40     #4
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谢谢。我怎么隐约记得有什么欧洲的豪华轿车也用这种结构?可能记错了。
BTW,你的车是皮卡还是轿车?
轿车,Buick Allure,也是Unibody的。
美国的Body-on-frame轿车没有独立悬挂的,所以ride比较稳但是非常生硬。
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旧 Dec 6th, 2008, 14:59     #5
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选择很多, 我是极其厌恶MINIVAN, 宁可买个二手的Mid-size 或 Full-size SUV, $20000以下.
Same here。Minivan安全性还不如轿车,handling还不怎么好,越野就更不可能了。以前的劫匪喜欢用minivan打劫;现在高档一点的劫匪都舍弃了minivan而改用full size的SUV了,要不然想和警车对着干,连门儿也没有。

对比一下minivan和pickup在关键时刻的表现:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5IaGz5oBaw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn4PJvjJ7mI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heRyk...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63rkmXdhz9U

结论:还是SUV和pickup好!
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旧 Dec 6th, 2008, 15:08     #6
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我猜你也喜欢看 "COPS" 那节目, 那是我了解各种车操控性和安全性的一个重要渠道. 港台的劫匪喜欢用minivan.
港台的警察装备也不怎么样,都是日本小车。香港的路窄,车也多,minivan和SUV都跑不起来。
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不会吧? 他们不用FULL SIZE SEDAN, 象CV什么的? 别笑我无知, IMPALA在小路上不也跑的欢.
CV只在北美和中东生产销售,任何世界其他地区都没有。香港和台湾的警察除了骑摩托车就是开Toyota,大陆稍微好一点,有些杰达和帕萨特,吉普之类的。他们也不怎么训练车技,因为很少用得上。
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我靠, 那COP真够强悍, 居然敢用驾驶座侧100KPH时撞, 并把那比它大的车钉死到隔离墙上.
CVPI的重量比他的civilian version大很多,2吨多,比一般的minivan重很多,在碰撞中没什么劣势。
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相对速度很小,几乎是零。 否则也死定了。
也就是欺负一下minivan和轿车之类的,和pickup干就差远了,根本弄不动。http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BFxn...eature=related
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视频很精彩。BTW,里面用的一个词pit maneuver是什么意思啊?
一种警察追车技术,用来使被追的车辆失控spin off the road。一般都是一招制敌,不过也有很难对付的角色:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-jR6aOoDow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIT_maneuver

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视频很精彩。BTW,里面用的一个词pit maneuver是什么意思啊?
现在比较有驾驶素质的罪犯都掌握了anti-PIT maneuver,其实就是行进间的J-turn:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J-turn

其实普通J-turn并不难,大部分人都可以掌握。但是行进间被PIT之后再进行J turn就不容易。

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtYyXnJIKW4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv5d2mXy7dY
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呵呵,谁舍得自己的车玩这个
我前段时间周六的晚上闲得没事,买完东西在一个沃尔玛的parking lot练习J-turn,练得不错。5分钟后一辆cruiser过来给了我严肃口头警告,说本来可以罚我stunt driving的,后来看我证件齐全record还算干净就放我走了。估计是被员工告发了。
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LOL,有钱人啊,我可不舍得那么造我的轮胎和刹车。
有钱人?!开玩笑还是讽刺
我1年多以前还开个破车天天在junkyard捡垃圾呢。车都没有那么娇气,偶尔虐待一下不会有大碍,何况我这车还是经过撞车大事故磨练出来的呢
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旧 Dec 7th, 2008, 13:59     #14
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貌视自动档的车玩不了这个?
当然了可以了,任何前驱自动档都可以,后驱的也可以,不过比前驱难些。注意一定要在180度转向的一瞬间迅速把档杆从R拉到D。
你难道没注意过,档杆在R的时候可以不按下档杆上的按钮就shift到D,就是为了这个动作设计的:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGWlA4SdGNI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNLS9xdzppI
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旧 Dec 7th, 2008, 14:59     #15
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你是想说N挡?
R到D可以直接拉,不需要摁按钮;反过来D到R不可以。D到N或者N到D都可以。
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