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旧 Nov 26th, 2009, 20:21   只看该作者   #21
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需求本身就是个运动的东西,你要知道,需求不是永远不变的

还有,如果石油需要你花100美元+相当的政治风险才能获得

NG需要你120美元,但是可以制造就业机会,制造税收

做为领导人,你选择哪个
进一步讲,天然气的适用范围是不会扩大的,用天然气来替代煤炭发电,这种想法本身没有多少政治上的支持,否则价格也不会是今天的价格。我举例,明天中国政府宣布天然气用于发电,这种炸弹会让天然气价格翻几倍,5块到15块?15块到30块,这让天然气的使用在成本上已变得不可行。
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天然气汽车在中国的应用已超过了20年,这次中国和美国共同开展对新能源的开发,并不包括天然气。

电动汽车的应用已在弓箭的弦上,这对能源工业的心理压力远远大于实际压力,电动汽车的电,目前看暂时来源于煤炭等,但核能源(印度都意识到)的发展和风能,太阳能,以及20-50年内可能出现核聚变能源,都是对旧...
President Obama and President Hu Jintao recently announced a broad agreement to strengthen cooperation between the United States and China on clean energy including a shale gas initiative that states:

Shale Gas Initiative. The two Presidents announced the launch of a new U.S.-China Shale Gas Resource Initiative. Under the Initiative, the U.S. and China will use experience gained in the United States to assess China’s shale gas potential, promote environmentally-sustainable development of shale gas resources, conduct joint technical studies to accelerate development of shale gas resources in China, and promote shale gas investment in China through the U.S.-China Oil and Gas Industry Forum, study tours, and workshops.

New technology, and techniques in fracturing and horizontal drilling have made it economically feasible to unlock natural gas from tight shale rock formations. In the U.S. natural gas reserves as increased by approximately 40%, and in Canada, some estimates have more then doubled natural gas reserves in Canada. The global impact of shale gas could have far reaching economic, and geopolitical implications.

In the U.S. law makers are currently considering the Natural Gas Act that will increase incentives to use natural gas more in the U.S. transportation network, and power generation. Natural gas is emits 50% less carbon then coal and approximately 30% less then diesel and gasoline. For the U.S., by using more natural gas they can reduce carbon emissions but also leverage domestic supply and supply from Canada thereby reducing their consumption of foreign oil from countries that do not share political interests with the U.S.
A breakthrough in Chinese domestic natural gas reserves could have profound impact on that countries growing need for energy, and displace some coal power generation. China needs all the technical and real world experience the world can offer, and Canadian companies should take initiative to develop this opportunity with China and other nations by co-development and technology sharing. On the government level, future trade missions should include a shale gas / clean energy component.

At the same time, as the U.S. increases domestic natural gas consumption and production, Canada needs to increase the use of natural gas in the Canadian transportation grid and power generation. Even with an increased domestic consumption, Canada would have a surplus of natural gas available for international export via a planned LNG plant in Kitimat, British Columbia. Despite low natural gas prices, the opportunity in natural gas going forward is very bright and will help reduce carbon emissions as a bridge fuel towards a renewable clean energy future.

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进一步讲,天然气的适用范围是不会扩大的,用天然气来替代煤炭发电,这种想法本身没有多少政治上的支持,否则价格也不会是今天的价格。我举例,明天中国政府宣布天然气用于发电,这种炸弹会让天然气价格翻几倍,5块到15块?15块到30块,这让天然气的使用在成本上已变得不可行。
NG在美国事实上已经是在发电,很多美国电厂都是煤碳天然气双机组

价格则是复杂的多的东西,简单的说,我们讲的这些东西和价格的关系都不大,正如年初石油30美元和现在80美元,跟需求也没有关系,3月的DOW 6000点和现在DOW10500点,半年我们的世界改变了多少?

还有,今后的NG价格,你敢这么武断吗?那你现在就可以做空HNU了
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旧 Nov 26th, 2009, 20:33   只看该作者   #24
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Despite low natural gas prices, the opportunity in natural gas going forward is very bright and will help reduce carbon emissions as a bridge fuel towards a renewable clean energy future....
按照这个新闻,阿尔伯达的财富会再次巨幅膨胀
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按照这个新闻,阿尔伯达的财富会再次巨幅膨胀
财富都是天注定的,上天要塞给你,你难道还要拒绝吗?
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NG在美国事实上已经是在发电,很多美国电厂都是煤碳天然气双机组

价格则是复杂的多的东西,简单的说,我们讲的这些东西和价格的关系都不大,正如年初石油30美元和现在80美元,跟需求也没有关系,3月的DOW 6000点和现在DOW10500点,半年我们的世界改变了多少?

还有,今后的...
我完全同意你在这个回复中的观点,价格跟需求没有直接的关系,这也是我在前几楼回答的。

我关于天然气价格的看法:不可预测。

基金主力都可以拿出有理的文章回击自己对赌的一方(散户和中小户),今天你贴的文章,他们用来对付down,过一个月再拿出完全不同的观点,来对付up
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NG在美国事实上已经是在发电,很多美国电厂都是煤碳天然气双机组

价格则是复杂的多的东西,简单的说,我们讲的这些东西和价格的关系都不大,正如年初石油30美元和现在80美元,跟需求也没有关系,3月的DOW 6000点和现在DOW10500点,半年我们的世界改变了多少?

还有,今后的...
到下一个OE,你赌哪一方这次
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我完全同意你在这个回复中的观点,价格跟需求没有直接的关系,这也是我在前几楼回答的。

我关于天然气价格的看法:不可预测。

基金主力都可以拿出有理的文章回击自己对赌的一方(散户和中小户),今天你贴的文章,他们用来对付down,过一个月再拿出完全不同的观点,来对付up
这个文章出来的时候,NG是DOWN不是UP



作为买HNU,这个文章一点价值都没有,但是对于卡城的前途,属于相当长时期都有指导意义
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这个文章出来的时候,NG是DOWN不是UP



作为买HNU,这个文章一点价值都没有,但是对于卡城的前途,属于相当长时期都有指导意义
这恰恰说明了,在大家都down的时候,他们埋下了大量的up炸弹,目前已杀的down血流成河。
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天然气汽车在中国的应用已超过了20年,这次中国和美国共同开展对新能源的开发,并不包括天然气。

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长期以来,我还是关注了一些替代能源的发展的.太阳能和风能按现在的利用方法还是算了吧.

核能是比较现实的.最终最好的解决办法当然是聚变了,可是现在世界上最重要的多国参与的人工巨变工程ITER,要到2050年之后,才能谈能不能成功商用,

裂变目前是最现实的.
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长期以来,我还是关注了一些替代能源的发展的.太阳能和风能按现在的利用方法还是算了吧.

核能是比较现实的.最终最好的解决办法当然是聚变了,可是现在世界上最重要的多国参与的人工巨变工程ITER,要到2050年之后,才能谈能不能成功商用,

裂变目前是最现实的.
辛格和奥巴马谈的重要一点就是核能利用。都知道目前的后石油时代,要不是奥巴马是个环保反油派,石油价格早在天上了
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进一步讲,天然气的适用范围是不会扩大的,用天然气来替代煤炭发电,这种想法本身没有多少政治上的支持,否则价格也不会是今天的价格。我举例,明天中国政府宣布天然气用于发电,这种炸弹会让天然气价格翻几倍,5块到15块?15块到30块,这让天然气的使用在成本上已变得不可行。
电的成本,水电最便宜,火电次之,核电高于火电少许,NG电很高;阿省电厂也是火电为主,NG电规模很小.
前些年,国内上过一些NG电厂,按KILLER2004的话说,是赔的连短裤都找不着了.
NG要在涨价的话,估计连想法都没有了.

中美最近的减排碳意向,基本是口号式的;都是基于"单位GDP排放CO2的量",中间的名堂有的说,但总是个进步.
2020年估计中国会成为初步发达国家,人均拥有的GDP会翻2倍以上(比2005起点),人均排CO2量只增加1.5倍(或说总CO2量)是可以达到的,并不需要改变能源结构.

中美,中日,中欧,等等,发表过许多政府间环保合作协议和框架目标,有几个是真的或说实际落实的.
要是象京都议定书一样要玩真的,美国早垮了,阿省也早脱离联邦了.
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进一步讲,天然气的适用范围是不会扩大的,用天然气来替代煤炭发电,这种想法本身没有多少政治上的支持,否则价格也不会是今天的价格。我举例,明天中国政府宣布天然气用于发电,这种炸弹会让天然气价格翻几倍,5块到15块?15块到30块,这让天然气的使用在成本上已变得不可行。
2007-2008年天然气高位的时候说是中国为了举办奥运,把煤电停了,全部用天然气发电。

我希望全球变暖,至少卡城咱就会舒服很多,俺就要可了劲的排放温室气体。

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2007-2008年天然气高位的时候说是中国为了举办奥运,把煤电停了,全部用天然气发电。

我希望全球变暖,至少卡城咱就会舒服很多,俺就要可了劲的排放温室气体。
建议你没事就绕着卡城兜风,为我们将来暖和暖和出点力,要不然等地球冷下来,石油也耗光了,你那车想转也没有油烧了。背不住你还得拎着着核电动车转,那个时候转,是越转越冷,温室都没了
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