唱机(TURNTABLE,RECORD PLAYER...)

hugoo · Jul 4th, 2011, 12:36

be careful, that seller got only 98% feedback rating, I would stay away from anyone lower than 99%

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作者: 老广

这机 ("http://www.panasonic.com/consumer_electronics/technics_dj/prod_intro_sl1200mk2.asp")还有新的？
EBAY有一台 ("http://cgi.ebay.ca/Technics-SL-1200MK2-Direc...

hugoo · Jul 4th, 2011, 22:17

在B&H普及型的崭新的才卖$76.99，还带唱头，这种档次的表现到底怎么样呢？
看review竟然是5星，多数还说是excellent sound quality

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...elt_Drive.html

hugoo · Jul 4th, 2011, 22:29

价是太高了，仔细看description，还是个sold as is，出了问题都没法讨个说法。

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作者: 老广

Winning bid: US $227.50
Shipping: US $74.95 U
不抵了。昨天AMAZON.COM还有台299的。现在没有了（多了2台399的），看起来象同一台？

hugoo · Jul 4th, 2011, 22:33

倒是真便宜呀，声音到底咋样。
再仔细看了看review，竟然有人把这个连到Bose的小喇叭上，看来这些review就不能当真的了。

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作者: 老广

本地有台 ("http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-electronics-Audio-Technica-AT-PL50-Fully-automatic-Stereo-Turntable-System-W0QQAdIdZ294840780")类似型号的。:l...

hugoo · Jul 8th, 2011, 22:55

今天去hifi joe听了下黑胶， LP机牌子是Linn，老板说新的原价上万，现在卖2千多，放的粤语歌，声音蛮不错的，就是炒豆声还是很明显，看看那黑胶碟也很新的，不知道为啥还那么多炒豆声。

hugoo · Jul 8th, 2011, 23:16

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作者: sgyyz

是静电。原价上万那种都已经upgrade过的（电源，tonearm，cartridge，etc），不是摆在他店那种。

上万的会不会静电少点，那啪啪声很煞风景的。

hugoo · Jul 13th, 2011, 12:56

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作者: silent_fish

在用modwright kwa-150,感觉失去了一些胆机中频的魔力，换来了低音的分辨率和高音的延伸，还是值得的

你最后还是把这张图里的宝贝搬回家了

平衡一些没什么不好，没有中频的wow factor，实际说不定更耐听。

hugoo · Jul 13th, 2011, 13:02

show下我的新箱子，这次是3分频的啦。

hugoo · Jul 13th, 2011, 13:14

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作者: sgyyz

哈哈！Hugoo，几时有空，我们去趟Oakville拜访silent_fish。都说那么久了，还没行动。

想去呀，就是家里LD每个周末都安排的都满满的，你啥时有空？凑凑时间吧。

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作者: sgyyz

那么快就拿到新脚架了？我还以为得等来货。中频有改进了吗？

肯定的啦，要不也不会换，Abbey Road Studios都在用的，3分频还是很不一样的感觉的说。

hugoo · Jul 13th, 2011, 13:25

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作者: silent_fish

WOW, 这时什么箱子，看起来很酷
modwright声音很厚实，没有ARC那么顺滑，可能用银线会改善。
等过段时间要调节喇叭的摆位。
下两周要在卡饵加里，如果过来，要等八月出了

你也去卡城？我下星期也会在那里。
modwright这款银线应该正合适，好像以前在网上看到有人这么说的。
箱子是Adam S3X-V，德国货，工业化外观，专业人士干活的工具

hugoo · Jul 13th, 2011, 14:11

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作者: silent_fish

我会在downtown,可能还能一块吃午饭
９＂喇叭，好东西，一定得去听听

好，到时候给你电话。

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作者: sgyyz

"There’s a real warmth and three-dimensionality to the mid-range, reminiscent of the likes of ATC and PMC."
你一定是在偷笑了! 价钱肯定比ATC/PMC便宜。我应该得8月份才有空。...

便宜一半多，声音绝对没有差那么多的，性价比很高，很平衡的声音那种。

hugoo · Jul 15th, 2011, 17:56

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作者: silent_fish

今天也去hifi Joe凑了一下热闹，见到了老板

听了几首歌，，linn黑胶唱机，ARC的PH3加class dr6,喇叭是JMLab. 声场还可以，中底频比较厚，joe说由于场地，搭配的限制，效果并没有特别好。

倒是在那买到了一张一直在找的碟。

黑胶没有想象的好，可能是器材搭配还...

我看在Joe那里只发挥了5成功力，而且他听的那些碟子

我在那里的时候放的是.... 谭咏麟

hugoo · Jul 15th, 2011, 21:14

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作者: silent_fish

借宝地一问,请问Hugoo, Calgary市中心趴车方不方便，大概多少钱一天。

很方便，到处都是停车场，就是贵，跟Toronto Downtown一个价位，可能还高点，$25-30左右吧。

hugoo · Jul 31st, 2011, 23:06

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作者: 老广

暂时听听这台古董，发行很大转盘声（大概是属于直接驱动的吧），也有电流声。

发现这2台一定行，虽然贵一点。
Denon DP-300F (http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi..._new?ie=UTF8&c...

下手了？

Pro-ject那台在downtown一家店有卖，价钱一样：
https://www.planetofsoundonline.com/...p?m=87878343b5

hugoo · Aug 1st, 2011, 13:01

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作者: 老广

not yet.
毕竟是淘汰的东西。看来也不太值得花这钱（买个便宜的算了），好的唱片不便宜。信噪比还是问题，转盘的声音很难克服（皮带驱动的说好点）。

还有就是太麻烦，这是让我犹豫再三的唯一原因。
pchifi太方便了，黑胶听一次要搞的跟宗教仪式似的，有闲功夫的人才能享受好。

hugoo · Aug 1st, 2011, 15:50

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作者: sgyyz

你们这样讲，我买还是不该买呢？

我不知道

像老广说的，人生苦短，不试试会后悔。
所以呢我最后一定会买的啦，只是现在家里外面事情一大堆，买了没时间玩是个大问题。

想起个问题，
新的碟子，录音都是数码录音吗？如果是数码录音，做成黑胶，那这种黑胶也不是100%模拟的啦？从源头都数码化了，再折腾黑胶有意义吗？

hugoo · Aug 1st, 2011, 16:33

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作者: lighting

你点到了喜欢黑胶的人的穴位！
不过呢，越来越觉得，听音乐和幸福感有点像，并不是朝鲜人民不会觉得幸福！

有的时候还是糊涂点好，像你这样，怀疑这，怀疑那，对烧友来说太聪明了！
“反正我信了！” 这才是烧友的圣经！

不过我也没觉得不幸福啦，多怀疑，少上当，心里反而很幸福。

Google了一下，发现Analog tape recorders都已经停产了，只有二手的卖。
没查到现在的vinyl的生产程序是什么样的，数码母带出来，怎么变成黑胶呢？一定得有个D/A的步骤才行，那和直接买高清的数码文件然后自己D/A区别有多大？

当然，老版的vinyl就没这个问题。

hugoo · Aug 1st, 2011, 16:44

看到这篇，转过来，有兴趣的看看。
http://albroanalogaudio.wordpress.co...ich-is-better/

Analog or Digital, Which is Better
Posted on July 3, 2010 by Albro

Three Dog Night, Naturally, 1970

There have been many discussions on the merits and deficiencies of both analog and digital recording and reproduction of music. I believe that each have their place in today’s music scene. I was in the music business during the 70′s when analog ruled the recording and reproduction of sound. The Holy Grail was to record and reproduce music in the most accurate manner without distortion.

ANALOG

My first introduction to a professional recording studio was in 1969 at American Recording Company on Ventura Blvd in Studio City, CA. The producer was Richie Podolor (stage name: Richie Allen) and the Engineer was Bill Cooper. In my humble opinion, that was the best production team in the music business during the late 60′s, through the 70′s and into the 80′s. It is almost unbelievable the body of work that this team, both together and individually, created. The albums listed for American Recording Company at the allmusic.com website says it all.

Richard Podolor, American Recording Studios, 1967

My point is that I learned analog sound from the best. Richie and Bill showed me how recorded audio should sound and what the analog equipment was capable of reproducing. American Recording Company was all tube amplified (Mcintosh), mixed with an analog board (rotary pots) and recorded on tape. Many of the songs that we still hear today were recorded at American Recording Company and they all exemplify the epitome of analog sound.

I have a collection of reel to reel tapes. I play those tapes back through the Sony mixing board (discrete) and amplified by a tube amp driving vintage JBL and Altec Monitors. The sound quality is excellent. The sound is warm with a feeling of softness that lulls you into spending hours just listening. I put on the Moody Blues – “A Question of Balance”. I close my eyes and I can easily visualize the sound field (The placement and apparent location of the various instruments and vocals). Each is clearly defined and sounds warm due to the overtones and harmonics that are present within all analog processed musical waveforms. I feel relaxed and safe and I drift off to another time and place: All is right with my world.

Analog audio signals are made-up of complex sine waves. The components in the audio signal path (mic, preamp and power amp) each contribute qualities that make-up the ‘Analog Sound’. That analog sound has been described as “warm” and digital has been labeled as “Sterile”.

DIGITAL

Sony CD Walkman

In the 1990’s I was introduced to digital recording through a Sony CD Walkman. It had small transducers that were called ‘Earbuds’. This combination was portable and the sound was clean and crisp. This was great for listening to music while going about my daily activities. When I finally added a CD player to my home system I could not immediately hear any difference. This probably was do to the level at which I was listening to music. Gradually, I was indoctrinated into accepting the digital sound. This was subtle: analog sources were disappearing, trade magazines and consumer advertisements touted to benefits, and superiority, of digital sound products. Many of the professional recording studios were removing the old analog equipment and replacing it with cleaner and more ‘accurate’ digital equipment. Millions of consumers, like me, were now convinced that digital processing and reproduction of music was the new standard of quality. The mass consumer market had abandoned the old analog standard.

In my quest to satisfy my vanity and to return to the 70′s glory days of Rock-N-Roll, I began collecting professional analog audio equipment to assemble the ultimate home stereo system. I found a recording studio in Sacramento, CA that was liquidating their equipment as the owner was retiring. Among the items that I purchased was a pair of Altec 9844A studio monitors. I hung these monsters on the wall, hooked up my reel to reel tape machine and que’d up Cosby, Stills, Nash & Young – “Suite Judy Blue Eyes”. The speakers were separated by about 12 ft and I sat center about 10 ft in front. I closed my eyes and the sound field unfolded. As the song ended, I realized that I had not heard music like that since I sat in the control room at American Recording Company over 35 years ago.

When I wanted to add a multi-track tape machine to my collection, the only person I knew that was an expert on analog tape was Bill Cooper at American Recording Company. When I called him, he told me that they had switched to digital but were in the process of acquiring a tape machine from Otari as the digital recorders did not have the ‘Headroom” that tape had. The Pros were now realizing the limitations of digital processing.

I an avid reader of Mix Magazine and Sound on Sound Magazine, and when I look at the advertisements in the back, I am finding that there is a resurgence of analog and tube equipment for studios. What amazes me is the quality of sound that came from analog equipment. Recordings like Bing Cosby “White Christmas”, Beatles “Sgt. Peppers”, Jimi Hendrix “Purple Haze” were all processed using analog equipment.

Currently, I am building a studio based on the best analog equipment that was ‘state of the art’ at the time of manufacture. I have (2) RCA 77DA and (2) RCA Bk-5B microphones (circa 1940-45) Altec 9844A monitors (circa 1950′s) Ampex AG440b tape (circa 1958) and an Otari MX70 8-track 1″ tape (circa 1980), Ecoplate II plate echo(circa 1985), a Sontec MEP250 parametric equalizer (circa 1980′s) and an AKG BX20e Spring Reverb (circa 1980′s). This is by far not a complete listing of my studio equipment.

It is my belief that the quality of music provided by analog processing is superior to that of digital. That does not mean that I have abandoned all digital equipment. I still use an mp3 player, I listen to CD’s on my car stereo and I have been known to save old mono and stereo recordings to mp3. But at the end of the day when I set down and listen to the CD’s and mp3′s, they all seem to sound better through my transistor and tube processing and the 50 year old Altec speakers. We all hear through different ears. Digitally processed Rap and Hip Hop sounds great to the ears of the younger generation that has never known analog sound. My 19 year old daughter’s friends are amazed at how good their music sounds through my old analog equipment. Simply put, analog captures, and at the same time enhances, the soul of the music that digital can not.

hugoo · Aug 1st, 2011, 17:41

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作者: nattawa

听感肯定好，不用问。

听感很差，糊，粗，不通透，我不太喜欢，现在只用做转盘。

hugoo · Aug 1st, 2011, 19:07

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作者: lighting

但我估计你不喜欢老版的录音，越年轻的人应该越不喜欢，不信你问问sgyyz, 喜不喜欢银圈邓丽君的录音，就声音来说。

最近单位里扔掉了一些CD，从90代到现在出的都有，我捡了些，几乎2000年前的录音，不管什么题材，我都不喜欢，声音不通透，和当今出版的录音相比！

这个事情很难讲的。
不知道你听过jazz at pawn shop没有？
很老的录音，不过我却很喜欢，也没有觉得不通透。

感觉不管是analog还是digital，还要看录音师得水平，可能像毛主席说的，决定力量是人，而不是武器。

Jul 13th, 2011, 13:02	#8
hugoo Senior Member 注册日期: Jan 2008 帖子: 1,974 积分:11 精华:4 声望: 1172365	show下我的新箱子，这次是3分频的啦。上传的缩略图

Jul 4th, 2011, 22:17	#2
hugoo Senior Member 注册日期: Jan 2008 帖子: 1,974 积分:11 精华:4 声望: 1172365	在B&H普及型的崭新的才卖$76.99，还带唱头，这种档次的表现到底怎么样呢？看review竟然是5星，多数还说是excellent sound quality http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...elt_Drive.html

Jul 8th, 2011, 22:55	#5
hugoo Senior Member 注册日期: Jan 2008 帖子: 1,974 积分:11 精华:4 声望: 1172365	今天去hifi joe听了下黑胶， LP机牌子是Linn，老板说新的原价上万，现在卖2千多，放的粤语歌，声音蛮不错的，就是炒豆声还是很明显，看看那黑胶碟也很新的，不知道为啥还那么多炒豆声。

Aug 1st, 2011, 16:44	#18
hugoo Senior Member 注册日期: Jan 2008 帖子: 1,974 积分:11 精华:4 声望: 1172365	看到这篇，转过来，有兴趣的看看。 http://albroanalogaudio.wordpress.co...ich-is-better/ Analog or Digital, Which is Better Posted on July 3, 2010 by Albro Three Dog Night, Naturally, 1970 There have been many discussions on the merits and deficiencies of both analog and digital recording and reproduction of music. I believe that each have their place in today’s music scene. I was in the music business during the 70′s when analog ruled the recording and reproduction of sound. The Holy Grail was to record and reproduce music in the most accurate manner without distortion. ANALOG My first introduction to a professional recording studio was in 1969 at American Recording Company on Ventura Blvd in Studio City, CA. The producer was Richie Podolor (stage name: Richie Allen) and the Engineer was Bill Cooper. In my humble opinion, that was the best production team in the music business during the late 60′s, through the 70′s and into the 80′s. It is almost unbelievable the body of work that this team, both together and individually, created. The albums listed for American Recording Company at the allmusic.com website says it all. Richard Podolor, American Recording Studios, 1967 My point is that I learned analog sound from the best. Richie and Bill showed me how recorded audio should sound and what the analog equipment was capable of reproducing. American Recording Company was all tube amplified (Mcintosh), mixed with an analog board (rotary pots) and recorded on tape. Many of the songs that we still hear today were recorded at American Recording Company and they all exemplify the epitome of analog sound. I have a collection of reel to reel tapes. I play those tapes back through the Sony mixing board (discrete) and amplified by a tube amp driving vintage JBL and Altec Monitors. The sound quality is excellent. The sound is warm with a feeling of softness that lulls you into spending hours just listening. I put on the Moody Blues – “A Question of Balance”. I close my eyes and I can easily visualize the sound field (The placement and apparent location of the various instruments and vocals). Each is clearly defined and sounds warm due to the overtones and harmonics that are present within all analog processed musical waveforms. I feel relaxed and safe and I drift off to another time and place: All is right with my world. Analog audio signals are made-up of complex sine waves. The components in the audio signal path (mic, preamp and power amp) each contribute qualities that make-up the ‘Analog Sound’. That analog sound has been described as “warm” and digital has been labeled as “Sterile”. DIGITAL Sony CD Walkman In the 1990’s I was introduced to digital recording through a Sony CD Walkman. It had small transducers that were called ‘Earbuds’. This combination was portable and the sound was clean and crisp. This was great for listening to music while going about my daily activities. When I finally added a CD player to my home system I could not immediately hear any difference. This probably was do to the level at which I was listening to music. Gradually, I was indoctrinated into accepting the digital sound. This was subtle: analog sources were disappearing, trade magazines and consumer advertisements touted to benefits, and superiority, of digital sound products. Many of the professional recording studios were removing the old analog equipment and replacing it with cleaner and more ‘accurate’ digital equipment. Millions of consumers, like me, were now convinced that digital processing and reproduction of music was the new standard of quality. The mass consumer market had abandoned the old analog standard. In my quest to satisfy my vanity and to return to the 70′s glory days of Rock-N-Roll, I began collecting professional analog audio equipment to assemble the ultimate home stereo system. I found a recording studio in Sacramento, CA that was liquidating their equipment as the owner was retiring. Among the items that I purchased was a pair of Altec 9844A studio monitors. I hung these monsters on the wall, hooked up my reel to reel tape machine and que’d up Cosby, Stills, Nash & Young – “Suite Judy Blue Eyes”. The speakers were separated by about 12 ft and I sat center about 10 ft in front. I closed my eyes and the sound field unfolded. As the song ended, I realized that I had not heard music like that since I sat in the control room at American Recording Company over 35 years ago. When I wanted to add a multi-track tape machine to my collection, the only person I knew that was an expert on analog tape was Bill Cooper at American Recording Company. When I called him, he told me that they had switched to digital but were in the process of acquiring a tape machine from Otari as the digital recorders did not have the ‘Headroom” that tape had. The Pros were now realizing the limitations of digital processing. I an avid reader of Mix Magazine and Sound on Sound Magazine, and when I look at the advertisements in the back, I am finding that there is a resurgence of analog and tube equipment for studios. What amazes me is the quality of sound that came from analog equipment. Recordings like Bing Cosby “White Christmas”, Beatles “Sgt. Peppers”, Jimi Hendrix “Purple Haze” were all processed using analog equipment. Currently, I am building a studio based on the best analog equipment that was ‘state of the art’ at the time of manufacture. I have (2) RCA 77DA and (2) RCA Bk-5B microphones (circa 1940-45) Altec 9844A monitors (circa 1950′s) Ampex AG440b tape (circa 1958) and an Otari MX70 8-track 1″ tape (circa 1980), Ecoplate II plate echo(circa 1985), a Sontec MEP250 parametric equalizer (circa 1980′s) and an AKG BX20e Spring Reverb (circa 1980′s). This is by far not a complete listing of my studio equipment. It is my belief that the quality of music provided by analog processing is superior to that of digital. That does not mean that I have abandoned all digital equipment. I still use an mp3 player, I listen to CD’s on my car stereo and I have been known to save old mono and stereo recordings to mp3. But at the end of the day when I set down and listen to the CD’s and mp3′s, they all seem to sound better through my transistor and tube processing and the 50 year old Altec speakers. We all hear through different ears. Digitally processed Rap and Hip Hop sounds great to the ears of the younger generation that has never known analog sound. My 19 year old daughter’s friends are amazed at how good their music sounds through my old analog equipment. Simply put, analog captures, and at the same time enhances, the soul of the music that digital can not.