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旧 May 6th, 2008, 11:47   只看该作者   #41
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这两个是不同代的,工艺技术不同,就不能直接用面积比较了
另外,要比较,你必须用raw,关掉数字降噪。就我所知,40D的降噪算法比5D的先进很多。不信你试试。
可是从网上的一些图片对比看, 好象40D比5D要差. 你觉着下面这个对比哪个机子好一些?
http://www.cwaynefox.com/Wayne_Fox/5d_vs_40_test.html
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旧 May 6th, 2008, 11:53   只看该作者   #42
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可是从网上的一些图片对比看, 好象40D比5D要差. 你觉着下面这个对比哪个机子好一些?
http://www.cwaynefox.com/Wayne_Fox/5d_vs_40_test.html
但从pixel quality来说,40D要比5D差,所以用高降噪来弥补。如果要经常在低光条件下拍,还是5D好。至于照片比较,一个是全幅,一个是1.6x,看看你给的连接里的焦段都不同,镜头表现肯定不一样,所以最多也就是系统评测。

这个比较意义不大,一般如果银子多,当然上全幅了。
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旧 May 6th, 2008, 12:03   只看该作者   #43
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但从pixel quality来说,40D要比5D差,所以用高降噪来弥补。如果要经常在低光条件下拍,还是5D好。至于照片比较,一个是全幅,一个是1.6x,看看你给的连接里的焦段都不同,镜头表现肯定不一样,所以最多也就是系统评测。

这个比较意义不大,一般如果银子多,当然上全幅了。
是啊, 要是同样焦段的比较会更好一些.
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旧 May 6th, 2008, 12:03   只看该作者   #44
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这个解释更全面了, 又出现了像素前面的微透镜, 光看象素大小和密度也是不够的. 看来只有银子说了算了. 不过你最后的解释我非常赞同, 一般的L头用在5D上的效果的确比40D强多了, 这个我在网上看过很多片片的对比.
最后一个问题, 你们感觉用同样的头, 站在同样的拍摄距离, 5D上CROP下来同...
用同样的镜头,同样的距离,拍同样的物体,40D片片肯定更好,因为5D像素低,把中间切出来只有4M像素了,细节损失惨重,而且透视效果和背景虚化这时也是相同的。但是,5D用1.6倍焦距的镜头,和40D就有的比了,中央区域5D会胜,边缘区域40D会胜。
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旧 May 6th, 2008, 12:09   只看该作者   #45
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可是从网上的一些图片对比看, 好象40D比5D要差. 你觉着下面这个对比哪个机子好一些?
http://www.cwaynefox.com/Wayne_Fox/5d_vs_40_test.html
这个比较没啥意思,镜头不同,焦距不同,对焦精度同不同也不好说。

最主要的,只比较了中间区域,5D的边角通常差一些,因为镜头的边角成像通常比中心差很多,低解析力,色散,暗角,变形。40D却用了镜头成像最好的中央部分。

但我觉得40d是超不过5d的,cmos面积差太多。
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旧 May 6th, 2008, 12:09   只看该作者   #46
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用同样的镜头,同样的距离,拍同样的物体,40D片片肯定更好,因为5D像素低,把中间切出来只有4M像素了,细节损失惨重,而且透视效果和背景虚化这时也是相同的。但是,5D用1.6倍焦距的镜头,和40D就有的比了,中央区域5D会胜,边缘区域40D会胜。
在光线充足的情况下,的确可以做到你说的;tiezi正考虑升级呢,这下要给搅迷糊了
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旧 May 6th, 2008, 12:15   只看该作者   #48
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可是从网上的一些图片对比看, 好象40D比5D要差. 你觉着下面这个对比哪个机子好一些?
http://www.cwaynefox.com/Wayne_Fox/5d_vs_40_test.html
你这个例子正好证明了用200mm的 40D照出来的结果在电脑上看和用300mm的5D差不多(还要每次放大到100%看,跟考古有的一拼。。。
其中的区别是不是justify 200mm+40D 和 300mm+5D的价差,重量差,体积差? 如果钱不是问题,重量和体积也不是问题,肯定买5D, 至少感觉好多了
真想烧钱,俺觉得还不如在镜头上多花些,f4的L头肯定不如f2.8的pro L头
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旧 May 6th, 2008, 12:15   只看该作者   #49
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tiezi现在啥机啥头?
估计现在是400D,小小白,50/1.8 。。。
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旧 May 6th, 2008, 12:16   只看该作者   #50
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用同样的镜头,同样的距离,拍同样的物体,40D片片肯定更好,因为5D像素低,把中间切出来只有4M像素了,细节损失惨重,而且透视效果和背景虚化这时也是相同的。但是,5D用1.6倍焦距的镜头,和40D就有的比了,中央区域5D会胜,边缘区域40D会胜。
这么说40D在长焦上还真是有优势的, 喜欢拍舞台的人40D更好一些.
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旧 May 6th, 2008, 12:19   只看该作者   #51
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估计现在是400D,小小白,50/1.8 。。。
没错, 还有个17-40L, 就是一开始买的没升机过, 等俺把旧房子卖了就升级. 正考虑是40D还是5D.
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没错, 还有个17-40L, 就是一开始买的没升机过, 等俺把旧房子卖了就升级. 正考虑是40D还是5D.
俺记错了,以为你原来那个是350D...

个人觉得还是5D好,配上你现在的头,从超广角到长焦全覆盖
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你这个例子正好证明了用200mm的 40D照出来的结果在电脑上看和用300mm的5D差不多(还要每次放大到100%看,跟考古有的一拼。。。
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将来肯定要上2.8的头, 我只是想确定40D和5D在长焦上的差别, 因为我也喜欢拍舞台, 表演什么的. 只是40D跟5D站在同样的距离,景深是一样的让我感觉很不舒服, 象是被40D骗了一样.
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将来肯定要上2.8的头, 我只是想确定40D和5D在长焦的上差别, 因为我也喜欢拍舞台, 表演什么的. 只是40D跟5D站在同样的距离,景深是一样的让我感觉很不舒服, 象是被40D骗了一样.
景深不一样的,具体察看:
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实际使用中也觉得1.6x不如全幅景深浅。文章中的某些说法还是有点问题,好像概念没搞清
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俺记错了,以为你原来那个是350D...

个人觉得还是5D好,配上你现在的头,从超广角到长焦全覆盖
现在我也偏向于5D, 只贵1千刀而已, 跟镜头没关系. 我就是怕5D在长焦上不如40D, 现在看来200mm端50D的景深跟40D 320mm的景深是一样的, 所以觉得5D更好一点, 宁可靠舞台近一点也不想被40D骗.
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现在我也偏向于5D, 只贵1千刀而已, 跟镜头没关系. 我就是怕5D在长焦上不如40D, 现在看来200mm端50D的景深跟40D 320mm的景深是一样的, 所以觉得5D更好一点, 宁可靠舞台近一点也不想被40D骗.
佳能低端机一般feature上做得比较花哨,中高档的用料就比较扎实。
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现在我也偏向于5D, 只贵1千刀而已, 跟镜头没关系. 我就是怕5D在长焦上不如40D, 现在看来200mm端50D的景深跟40D 320mm的景深是一样的, 所以觉得5D更好一点, 宁可靠舞台近一点也不想被40D骗.
5D最好配24-70L f2.8+ 70-200L f2.8 的...
不过你喜欢拍舞台,就可能要考虑上300mmL f4/f2.8的了
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5D最好配24-70L f2.8+ 70-200L f2.8 的...
这次老总来放毒了

不过的确是好头
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景深不一样的,具体察看:
http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/Glos...f_Field_01.htm

实际使用中也觉得1.6x不如全幅景深浅。文章中的某些说法还是有点问题,好像概念没搞清
你这个连接是光圈对景深的影响, 跟是否全副没关系, 如果都是2.8的光圈, 镜头放在200mm端, 站在与拍摄物同样的距离, 5D和40D的景深是一样的, 并不是40D的景深小, 虽然此时40D的焦距相当于320mm, 只是视角上的感觉而已.
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你这个连接是光圈对景深的影响, 跟是否全副没关系, 如果都是2.8的光圈, 镜头放在200mm端, 站在与拍摄物同样的距离, 5D和40D的景深是一样的, 并不是40D的景深小, 虽然此时40D的焦距相当于320mm.
你改一下“Film format or sensor size”的选项就知道了,看看35mm和 DSLR w. FLM 1.6X的差别。
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