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旧 Oct 27th, 2004, 12:08     #1
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Unhappy CHINESE, Why are you guys make me F**King SAD.

Heard a few more Romanians join into the team just because my lead is a Romanian.

Heard a lot of philippines join into a tax team in the bank because the lead of that team is Philippinian.

The only thing I heard from my people is

Never working under chinese lead if you are a chinese.
Never expect chinese can introduce his own kind to the possible openings.
I heard so many chinese leads say they are not going to give any chances to his own pople.

Faint, even dogs know unit the pack will strong and survive, but not us.

I will be swear here to myself, if in my life I can't help my people, I will go to hell forever.

What is "Networking". You can get 10 tough interviews but failed of geting a job. And finally get one job without any interview from someone who know you. This is the true Canada. No matter you are skilled or not.

Unit people, we survive, Separate, we also can survive but much harder.

I never believe that If we can not help each other by our own kind , the other people will repect us and help us. Please remember this.

独在异乡为异客,中国人要帮中国人。
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旧 Oct 27th, 2004, 13:09   只看该作者   #2
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Not talking about with Leads, during my job seeking, I can feel some interviewers who are chinese are kind and "may be" helpful.

But I dont expect much. Coz people "帮你是人情 不帮你是本分". All depends on ones qualifications.

As far as the time when i can be helpful to siblings, I will do my best but without losing the necessary fairness basics.

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Heard a few more Romanians join into the team just because my lead is a Romanian.

Heard a lot of philippines join into a tax team in the bank because the lead of that team is Philippinian.

The only thing I heard from my people is

Never working under chinese lead if you are a chinese.
Never expect chinese can introduce his own kind to the possible openings.
I heard so many chinese leads say they are not going to give any chances to his own pople.

Faint, even dogs know unit the pack will strong and survive, but not us.

I will be swear here to myself, if in my life I can't help my people, I will go to hell forever.

What is "Networking". You can get 10 tough interviews but failed of geting a job. And finally get one job without any interview from someone who know you. This is the true Canada. No matter you are skilled or not.

Unit people, we survive, Separate, we also can survive but much harder.

I never believe that If we can not help each other by our own kind , the other people will repect us and help us. Please remember this.
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旧 Oct 27th, 2004, 14:28   只看该作者   #3
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你说的那些不肯帮中国人的chinese,不是他们不想帮,是他们进化了,进化成加拿大人了

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旧 Oct 27th, 2004, 14:47   只看该作者   #4
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其中的原因我也至今不理解,但有同感,在工作场合,最让我害怕的是自己的同胞。
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旧 Oct 27th, 2004, 15:25   只看该作者   #5
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理解那些在生意场上混的中国人吧。如果他们自己的位置稳定的话,我相信他们一定会帮忙的。
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旧 Oct 27th, 2004, 19:02   只看该作者   #6
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确实是真的, 我碰到过。而且巴不得自己身边都是西人, 才显得自己比别人有优越感。
中国人的心理很奇怪, 好像已经融入血液了, 一种低等的卑劣的蛋白质, 在别的人种里不能生存, 但在中国人体内可以很好的存在。

什末时候才能改变阿?
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旧 Oct 27th, 2004, 19:03   只看该作者   #7
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旧 Oct 27th, 2004, 19:05   只看该作者   #8
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中国人不抱团不是新鲜事了, 体现在这里就更让人感到心痛。


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旧 Oct 27th, 2004, 19:32   只看该作者   #9
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跟皮肤的颜色没有很大关系,都一样,好人就是好人,坏的就是那么坏,不好不坏的拜托别踩一脚就很不错了
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旧 Oct 27th, 2004, 19:45   只看该作者   #10
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有些人连待人接物都不是太懂,看着就心寒,还帮个P啊
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旧 Oct 27th, 2004, 19:55   只看该作者   #11
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就是就是, 要换我, 我也不帮, 没准还踩两脚, 要你他妈的不知道尊敬老资格。
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旧 Oct 28th, 2004, 00:14   只看该作者   #12
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所以你不是个好人,你最多只是个不好不坏的人,好人是不会考虑回报的.
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旧 Oct 28th, 2004, 08:43   只看该作者   #13
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Angry 因为现在很多中国人不知道有个词叫“感激”。。。

他觉得你帮他是应该的,他心目中只有自己,这样的人,你帮他,你倒霉。
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旧 Oct 28th, 2004, 09:30   只看该作者   #14
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又看见一篇华人之间互相抱怨、攻击的帖子
这样下去,怎么指望华人之间的团结互助呢?!
对俺们自己人就不能有点宽容呢?或许人家有别的为难的地方呢?
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旧 Oct 28th, 2004, 11:21   只看该作者   #15
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不是我不宽容。来加拿大三年了,最受伤害的一次是从自己的同胞那里!洋人可能不理解你,心里看不起你,但从面子上一定给足你。而我们的同胞。。。。唉!!!!
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旧 Oct 28th, 2004, 12:37   只看该作者   #16
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不是我不宽容。来加拿大三年了,最受伤害的一次是从自己的同胞那里!洋人可能不理解你,心里看不起你,但从面子上一定给足你。而我们的同胞。。。。唉!!!!
同情你的遭遇。我有一位朋友是北京来的,刚到多伦多也找了一个来自北京的房东,结果这个房东害她最惨。她是一遭被蛇咬十年怕井绳,现在看见多伦多越来越多的华人后,准备搬到小城市去过日子。我支持她的选择,但是很担心这样的躲避多半是无力的,因为,我们无论身处何方,我们始终是华人,华人的肤色、头发、血液已经深深在我们身上,不可躲避,也无法抛弃。我们更多的能做的是,善待我们华人自己,宽容的对待同胞,也许多一点华人这样做,华人自己才会越来越好!
相信你也有华人朋友,祝你今后顺利
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旧 Oct 28th, 2004, 14:12   只看该作者   #17
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华人的陋习不少, 而且个个都牛比哄哄, 我觉得是改不了了, 只有敬而远之。

我庆幸自己从国内出来了, 一想到那是陋习的发源地。
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旧 Oct 28th, 2004, 15:28   只看该作者   #18
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Talking 国人的家庭观念差的远,人情和道理?

在加拿大,我们身边除了黑人就是印巴人最多。黑人不讲了,最差。
印巴人,我们普遍瞧不起的,有咖喱味,喜欢使坏,偷懒摸滑。但是深入他们的生活里,我们发现他们家族观念强过国人。就像他们自己说的,结婚观礼时亲戚朋友超过两千人。他们极少离婚的。
他们目标明确,团结对外。尽管他们自己也互相挤兑。也会跟我们华人投诉自己人的劣性。但是在升职,加薪,培训,在一切能实现群体利益的机会上,绝对不让外族人。想尽一切办法阻止你,把他们自己人的偷懒说成聪明。把我们华人的勤劳当成愚笨。因为他们依靠团结把持了从质检到货运到保安到管理层的各个职位。他们管自己人叫my people.处处行使保护。我的super多次跟我讲,你要帮别人,别人才有可能帮你。这是嫌我只帮中国人,要我帮他们印巴人干活。我们要投诉时,发现都是人家的people.投诉都赢不了。
问一下在自己领域里做到super一级的中国同胞,有没有自己人在身边呢?想没想过有可能的事实呢?当每个人都被反面的事例搞的戒备重重时,中国人的凝聚力去哪里找呢?华人总体的就不提了,各地域价值观不同。单单一个公司,一个小群体内,家丑不外扬的事恐怕都找不到吧?洋人不屑于踩我们,美国人到中国去,大老远看到美国同胞,兴高采烈的招呼。印巴人抱团我们踩不了,人家各处都有庙宇,周末有条件都集会。中国人面对面走过,都当对方是假的,所以国人只有个人奋斗成功的例子。这些人被layoff时,有保他们的吗?

多数中国人的一己私欲超越了一切,夫妻,兄弟,集体,民族,全都可以不顾吧?

人家说,帮你是人情,不帮你是道理,冷冷的甩给我这话的是我第一个华人老板。谁叫我们找不到人情,又不能只靠自己的实力挤入主流呢?先花点时间精力甚至金钱搞点networking.多认几个外族干亲戚更加好!至少layoff的名单里你是最后几个。

想想国内官僚的大小领导班子呼风唤雨,老百姓也三五成群的,大事成不了,吆喝一嗓子还有人和。再想想这地球另一边,一个个行单影只的被自己弟兄严防的贼一样的拼命找工的我们。人情和道理,我们该不该讲?该对谁讲?

除了自己的祖国,这是我到的第二个外国,可是中国人在外就是这样,总是做亲者痛,仇者快的事。我亲身体验,这不是某些人说的个别人的表现。何况我只是个累伯,与人无争尚且受到没来由的打击。那些想找专业的大虾,困难可想而知。

好久没挨砖了,上来刺激一下。
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旧 Oct 28th, 2004, 15:57   只看该作者   #19
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Support, We should unite and we can.

Most of us have pretty good education background, and in the team our people always do the best and hardest assignments. I see them all show the best tolerance to the bad people who mess up with them. (Here, maybe the language skill is the biggest drawback).

But unfortunately, in Toronto you have to be nice to nice people and tough to tough people in order to get a fair life. Otherwise, you will be squeezed to death (Sorry, I don't believe human being by nature is "Shan")

So, Unite, we strong, Scattered we weak;
If all of us put this in our mind, our fate will be much better.

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印巴人,我们普遍瞧不起的,有咖喱味,喜欢使坏,偷懒摸滑。但是深入他们的生活里,我们发现他们家族观念强过国人。就像他们自己说的,结婚观礼时亲戚朋友超过两千人。他们极少离婚的。
他们目标明确,团结对外。尽管他们自己也互相挤兑。也会跟我们华人投诉自己人的劣性。但是在升职,加薪,培训,在一切能实现群体利益的机会上,绝对不让外族人。想尽一切办法阻止你,把他们自己人的偷懒说成聪明。把我们华人的勤劳当成愚笨。因为他们依靠团结把持了从质检到货运到保安到管理层的各个职位。他们管自己人叫my people.处处行使保护。我的super多次跟我讲,你要帮别人,别人才有可能帮你。这是嫌我只帮中国人,要我帮他们印巴人干活。我们要投诉时,发现都是人家的people.投诉都赢不了。
问一下在自己领域里做到super一级的中国同胞,有没有自己人在身边呢?想没想过有可能的事实呢?当每个人都被反面的事例搞的戒备重重时,中国人的凝聚力去哪里找呢?华人总体的就不提了,各地域价值观不同。单单一个公司,一个小群体内,家丑不外扬的事恐怕都找不到吧?洋人不屑于踩我们,美国人到中国去,大老远看到美国同胞,兴高采烈的招呼。印巴人抱团我们踩不了,人家各处都有庙宇,周末有条件都集会。中国人面对面走过,都当对方是假的,所以国人只有个人奋斗成功的例子。这些人被layoff时,有保他们的吗?

多数中国人的一己私欲超越了一切,夫妻,兄弟,集体,民族,全都可以不顾吧?

人家说,帮你是人情,不帮你是道理,冷冷的甩给我这话的是我第一个华人老板。谁叫我们找不到人情,又不能只靠自己的实力挤入主流呢?先花点时间精力甚至金钱搞点networking.多认几个外族干亲戚更加好!至少layoff的名单里你是最后几个。

想想国内官僚的大小领导班子呼风唤雨,老百姓也三五成群的,大事成不了,吆喝一嗓子还有人和。再想想这地球另一边,一个个行单影只的被自己弟兄严防的贼一样的拼命找工的我们。人情和道理,我们该不该讲?该对谁讲?

除了自己的祖国,这是我到的第二个外国,可是中国人在外就是这样,总是做亲者痛,仇者快的事。我亲身体验,这不是某些人说的个别人的表现。何况我只是个累伯,与人无争尚且受到没来由的打击。那些想找专业的大虾,困难可想而知。

好久没挨砖了,上来刺激一下。
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you thought who you are? chinese? ok, forget about it, no way to fulfill your goal.
it's a team work, even one single person go with a different way, you fail, but right now, one hundred chinese have 99 different way, how you can do it?


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Support, We should unite and we can.

Most of us have pretty good education background, and in the team our people always do the best and hardest assignments. I see them all show the best tolerance to the bad people who mess up with them. (Here, maybe the language skill is the biggest drawback).

But unfortunately, in Toronto you have to be nice to nice people and tough to tough people in order to get a fair life. Otherwise, you will be squeezed to death (Sorry, I don't believe human being by nature is "Shan")

So, Unite, we strong, Scattered we weak;
If all of us put this in our mind, our fate will be much better.
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