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旧 Sep 26th, 2005, 13:12     #1
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实际上,加拿大在电视这方面比中国要前卫的多,只不过多数移民没有时间体验或没有资金来体验认识罢了。

说起等离子,Plasma,国内的产品多数是没有过关的产品,根本无法达到真正HDTV的功能参数,其次,国内的HD节目源我不知道到底有没有?到现在我也不知道到底是中国哪一个台是HD的信号传输。所以,中国的市场是在追望北美市场的走势,因为了解到北美的HD电视的发展趋势,所以无论是市场还是厂家都有跟风的态势。

举个例子,Star Choice的卫星接收机在第一代就做到了Doby Digital 5.1音效功能,那还是在大约10年以前,比起美国又晚了几年. 就是说加拿大人在10年前,看电视的时候就能利用家庭影院音响,而不用租碟,中国10年前的电视节目,或是现在的电视节目能有Doby Digital 5.1音效功能吗?

说到HD节目源和设备,Star Choice在2003年就推出了HD500和几个HD频道, 到今天的升级版HD505, HD recorder HD530和11个HD频道, 以配合火热的 HD Plasma / LCD 市场. 况且, 加拿大还不止Star Choice一家电视服务商, Bell Express Vu, Rogers Cable, Shaw Cable都有自己相应的HD 产品, 和HD频道. 相比中国, 我还真想知道, 有哪一家电视台提供这样完整的服务? 如果只是买了Plasma / LCD而没有HD 服务, 看得却是最烂的cable 模拟信号节目,或是数字机顶盒的数字信号节目, 这钱花的冤枉, 这投资可一点不前卫, 真正的老土式投资.

上面有位朋友说得不错, 现在加拿大的Plasma电视市场, 已经非常成熟, $2000-3000就能买到42"的Plasma 挂在墙上, 至多也就是一个月的工资嘛. 背投已经被淘汰了, 包括DLP也没有办法达到Plasma的视觉效果. 至于看电视时间的问题,那就不好说了. 看你干什么了? 一个好的公司或是一份好的工作,是不会占用你的业余时间看电视的. 象每周一次的NHL, NFL 转播是不会占用你太多时间. 还有电影频道的高清晰电影, 一礼拜看个2-3个晚上,也应该不会占用太多的时间. 最糟糕的就是电视剧了, 象HBO出品的东西, 弄得我每个晚上都看,真是什么也干不了.
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高清晰数字电视下月初杭州试播
【大 中 小】 打印 日期: 2005-8-16 1432 
昨日从杭州数字电视公司获悉,国内首个高清晰数字电视频道――央视高清频道将于下月初在杭州试播。
杭州数字电视频道目前播放的是“标准清晰数字电视节目”(垂直分辨率达480线),不是“高清晰数字电视节目”(垂直分辨率达720线)。“高清数字电视频道对用户电视机提出了要求。”杭州数字电视公司一位负责人说,除了对节目制作和信号传输有严格标准外,收看高清数字电视节目还要有符合标准的高清晰数字电视机,“倘若要达到高清数字频道的播放要求,需要购买垂直分辨率在720线(分辨率为1280×720)以上的数字电视机。如果是等离子电视机还要求屏幕大小在42英寸以上,液晶电视机要在37英寸以上。”
目前,这些产品的售价均高达2万元左右。虽然电视机达不到要求也能看,但高清效果无法体现。
“区别是否高清数字电视机,要看它的分辨率有没有达到1280×720”这位负责人说,“9月份开始,有关部门将规范高清数字电视机市场,届时只要看有没有“HDTV”(高清认证标志)就可以了。”
市民如果想收看央视高清数字电视频道,必须具备以下三个条件:开通数字电视服务、付费订制央视高清频道、购买一台高清数字电视。杭州数字电视公司相关负责人表示,付费标准还没有最终确定。




新华网北京1月18日专电(记者张海鹏)中央电视台技术制作中心副主任陈默在CCBN2005新闻发布会上说,我国将在今年5月开播第一套付费高清晰电视节目,今年年底或明年年初开播第二套。
陈默对记者介绍说,我国即将开播的这套高清晰电视节目将通过地方有线电视网传输,基本可以覆盖全国范围。节目开播后,每天播放两部HBO的海外电影节目,每天节目播出时间不少于8小时。同时,我国首套付费高清晰电视节目的收费标准已经制定,将于近期向社会公布。(完)


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今天随随便便搜了一下,这就是国内HD市场的现状。而且报道写得也不专业,那个负责人的话实在是让人感觉汗颜。
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旧 Sep 26th, 2005, 15:20     #3
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我知道的是,在中国,有线电视内部职工是不收费用的,算福利。
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HERE"S some TRUTH:

There's NO 2k-3K Plasma HDTV here, except Hisense on Tigerdirect.
That price range is EDTV.

So 这里的消费老土. Less choice.

Everything has its Cons and Pros, Just select what you want.
Don't compare.
Here is my truth:
My friend bought Samsung 42" Plasma HDTV from Futureshop recently below $3000, of course not listing price. 经过数次讨价还价。
If you go to Futureshop, BestBuy or somewhere else, you will get Off-listing price between $2000-3000 for brand new 42" Plasma HDTV. Not on the website currently though.

In China, the most of manufactories claim their "HDTV" as HDTV. However, they are not. Many consumers are really 消费老土 in China because:
They are not sure if the TVs they bought are really HDTV or not;
Even though there is no comercial HD service broadcast in China now, consumer still spend huge money buying so called HD Plasma TV watching Cable TV analog broadcase or digital broadcast.
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国内买一台等离子电视是一个人平均工资的几倍? 买一台当然可以显摆。

这里买一台等离子电视是一个人平均工资的几倍?买一台算个P呀。

所以这里的人把电视只是作为生活用品,需要什么样的就买什么样的。国内不一样,那是一种象征。
That's the point.
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高清电视多数不合标准 厂商有意误导消费者

发表时间:2005-07-11 07:53:06 
  本报讯 “在国家标准出来之前,许多所谓的高清电视并没有达到国家正在酝酿的高清晰显示器标准,实际是在标准颁布的‘前夜’误导消费者!”在日前召开的“数字高清标准下的等离子市场发展趋势研讨会”上,国家数字电视接收设备和性能标准制定工作组组长刘全恩指出,按照信息产业部已确定上报的“数字高清显示器”草案标准,在对市场上主要品牌彩电的测试结果显示,目前只有少数几个品牌的产品能称得上是真正的数字电视,而多数产品都不能符合指标的完整输出高清晰度节目内容,在本质上还不能称作高清电视,只是标 NEWSZW_HZH_BEGIN

  中国家电市场联合调研课题组在会上公布的今年一季度的调查则显示,多数城市消费者都不知道等离子和液晶等平板电视还存在着高清与标清之分,他们往往根据厂家的宣传模糊地认为市场上多数产品都是高清电视。对此,国务院发展研究中心专家陆刃波指出,目前国内高清电视市场上的确存在很多产品以“高清格式”作为噱头,利用目前国标尚未出台的“信息不对称”时机,以“概念提前”的手段有意误导消费者。

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这就是所谓中国市场上选择多的假象,一个个都称自己是HD,国家连HD的标准都还没有出台。像加拿大,CRTC规定加拿大电视服务供应商的HD标准是1080i,标准很清楚,大家买得也放心。如果认为这里的市场是个“老土”的市场,我宁愿做个踏实的“老土”在这里。
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Which model??? FS promotes Samsung HPR4272, $3999. Onsale 3499.00
They can go as far as another 500 off depends on your bargain skill.But plus 450 Tax. Final : 3449.
All other Sammy models I can see at FS are 852x480. EDTVs.
Even the Plasma HDTV is 1024x768, Supoorts 1080i, but not real 1080i.
You canNOT get the best picture from PBS.

The Truth is NO REAL HDTV PLASMA below 3K except Hisense.
But You DO get PLASMA 1024x768 HDTV in China at lower price. There's no HDTV signal there, but you can test it by computer graphic card.
I may double check with my buddy about his Samsung things.

One way the other, what makes you so confident the Plasma HDTV produced in China IS TRUE HDTV, even before Chinese National HDTV Standards ruling out?
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I was hunting for a good HDTV under 3K for a while. Some China manufactures make good TVs at lower price. But they have no channel here to help them to sell. Like Hisense Plasma HDTV, their quality is good. But only tigerdirect sell it online. Most people don't trust online trasaction. And also the warranty for the big screen is an issue.

You are right there's no standard yet in China. Most of the China manufactures follow the NA standard to support 720P/1080i. It is measured by pixels like PC monitor.

You can very easy to have 2 Condos, 1 car and all kind of newest stylish electronics in China with a annaul income at RMB300K, or CAD45K. But it is not easy to have the samething here at annaul income at CAD90K.

So don't compare. Enjoy the fresh air here.( NOT in dontown Toronto ).
Well, let's only talk about HDTV currently, at least, ME, like to follow HDTV topic other then something else between China and Canada. Based on the HDTV market and HDTV progress, Canada is much more superior then China. I know most Chinese manufactory trying to follow 1080i/780p, but still, not pass yet. That's my point here.
Reference: 按照信息产业部已确定上报的“数字高清显示器”草案标准,在对市场上主要品牌彩电的测试结果显示,目前只有少数几个品牌的产品能称得上是真正的数字电视,而多数产品都不能符合指标的完整输出高清晰度节目内容,在本质上还不能称作高清电视.
We can not say we have huge selections and wide choice when we "只有少数几个品牌的产品能称得上是真正的数字电视".

Then, let's OFF topic of HDTV, I agree with you RMB 300k in China can compare with CAD 45k in Canada. But, RMB 300k income is minority in mainland China, not easy for the normal people at all. CAD 45k around income is majority in Canada, and no big deal to consume those big screen or other bling-bling stuff. That's the life style assocaited with the income. Yeah, we talk about 45k CAD other then 90k CAD now.
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The Plasma TV has burn-in. If you want to prevent it, always use full screen.
They have to sacrifice their eyes to protect the TV.
Hahaaaaa..........
You right, burn-in issue is a challange to Plasma TV.

However, short term 4:3 is not big deal for Plasma. As I know, if people buys the HD service at 16:9 ratio program, they would not change the channel back to those standard service program at 4:3 ratio.

Currently, Canadian can watch movies, sports, US networks and Canadian news at HD feeds. We don't need to go back to those 4:3 ratio program often. As ec2000 said "自从我开通数字和HD 频道后,基本上再也没有看过100以内的台. 信号实在是不清楚."

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This discussion is good, at least have people know something new, what's going on everyday in our life. What is the other people life style.
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那快帮我加精,置顶吧,呵呵.
Right, I rated.

Here is my contribution earlier in Alberta. You guys see my life style currently.

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等离子和液晶的区别是十分显著的

一年以后买等离子的才会发现问题,可以问问大公司用等离子做
视频会议显示的,长时间工作后的像素烧结问题

DLP和液晶的区别只有在大屏幕投影上可以轻易分辨,至于DLP
好不好----好来坞的庆典(据我所知)只能使用DLP投影机!

至于等离子的高清晰显示问题,一般情况是单个像素100%比液晶
的像素大。

关于可靠性的区别可以从等离子单个像素高温自激发和液晶像素
仅是常温光开关上发现。
我猜测你所说的等离子“像素烧结问题”就是英文的“burn in issue”。前面我说了,burn in issue 确实是等离子电视的一个毛病,但是这是针对长时间静止画面而言的,对于动态画面,这就不是毛病。所以对于公司里的应用,是由于公司的等离子电视总是用于presentation,画面多为静止,文字的东西,长时间的如此使用,当然是等离子电视的致命伤。但是作为家居使用,99%的时间,都是动态画面,我相信没人再家里用等离子电视做电脑的显示器用,所以burn in issue完全可以忽略不计。再者,因为burn in issue是个比较大的缺陷,很多厂家已经启用各种技术来避免burn in issue。这就是为什么,你在挑等离子电视的时候,有的厂家专门注明,本产品防止burn in,主要是针对" Caption "而言。所以,现在的等离子电视在家用时,你尽可以放心burn in issue。

其次,说到好来坞的庆典中用到的DLP,我的感觉是,那个大屏幕肯定不是Plasma / LCD,正如你所说的,要不就是DLP,要不就是projection。为什么?1。无论Plasma还是LCD目前无法做到这么大的尺寸。2。我在看奥斯卡颁奖的时候,感觉转播摄影机在侧边照大屏幕的时候,屏幕上的画面视觉效果极差,这就是DLP / projection的缺陷,这能正对着看,观看时不能有稍微大一点的角度。而Plasma绝对不会出现这样的情况。所以我可以肯定你关于DLP的猜测,但是我不认同DLP在家庭使用时,是最好的选择,因为我们不需要那么大的屏幕在family room里,是不是?52"或42"对于家庭使用已经足够了。

最后,关于高清晰显示问题,你说的对,这里就是有个关于 Plasma / LCD取舍的问题。你自己喜欢什么样的的视觉效果,你就去买什么样的电视。因为,LCD也有自己的问题和缺陷,例如Ghost。另外我上周末去FS去看电视的时候,FS很不错,他们把两台同样尺寸和同厂家的Plasma和LCD放在一起,视觉效果一目了然。我仍然喜欢Plasma,原因是,如果在一个合适的距离上,你看到的不是像素,而是一个画面,清晰度没有什么区别;然而当画面出现沙漠及埃及金字塔的时候,区别就出来了,LCD有致命的颜色过渡问题,而Plasma就不是这样,颜色过渡很好。你不信可以亲自去FS看看,那个片源FS是全国通用的,注意看沙漠和金字塔一段,你自会心里有数.
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如果只是用于看新闻和北美室内肥皂剧的话,买大电视有什么用.中国的电视节目歌舞和大场面的电视剧比较多,大电视能派上用场.
你说得不错,我们讨论的就是这个事儿, 买的东西是否物尽其能?

北美这里买Plasma HDTV的人都是看HD 节目的人, 例如电影频道的HD movies, rogers Spoerts network里的HD体育节目, 还有北美的HD新闻节目.你可以问问那位ec2000朋友,他是否每天在看北美室内肥皂剧?
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I'm using rogers cable HD. The real 16:9 full screen program is less than 30%.
Lots of HD on Global/CityTV/CTV/CBS/FOX are on their special format. wider than normal 4:3, but not full screen. It will cause burn in on Plasma if you don't change it to force full screen.
In fact, I know Star Choice HD receiver has a toggle switch button in front. This is a 3 mode switch button: Native, 1080i, 780p. When customer buy the new HD box from Star Choice, Technical support have customer know the default mode is Native, which is the special format Scorpius1007 mentioned, looks like "wider than normal 4:3, but not full screen."

Then Technical support will have customer push that toggle switch to 1080i, you will see the picture will take up full screen, and the picture is not distorted at all. That's the right thing to do for setting up HDTV and HD receiver. It is not something wrong with HD receiver or HDTV in fact.

I am not sure if Rogers HD box has the same toggle switch as Star Choice does, but your experience sounds like the same thing. It's mandortory to switch Native mode to 1080i for HD box though.
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how much for the rogers HD box? and how much for the rogers HDVR ?
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Sorry, it's $299 in FS. Star Choice HD box $199, plus $70 discount, only $129 for the Star Choice HD box.

Why not choose satellite service? It's cheap and flexiable then cable service.
Unless you are living in apt or condon.

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买大电视方面必不过于追求完美,因为市场上根本就没有完美的.

你说LCD panel好,你可以找出一堆问题,ghost,color,size, 同样 Plaszma有 burn in问题, projection的观看角度,清晰度问题. 如果你一味的等,你只会一直等下去.就好比电脑的更新,你永远赶不上. 问题是你自己需要.现在很多人买电脑可能不太像以前那么追求最什么什么的了,只要价格合理,又能满足需要,就可以了.

电视也是如此.
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大屏幕电视技术还处于快速发展阶段. LDC, Plasma各有千秋. 总体上看Plasma略胜一筹.

我的选择:
family theater in basement. 首选DLP projection. basement比较暗. 如果要省钱, CRT projection 也可以考虑.

family room. 首选Plasma or DLP projection. 还要考虑电视放置的位置和沙发的位置, 角度.
另一个比较新的projection技术是LCoS, 融合了DLP 和LCD的优点. 缺点是比较贵.
感觉讨论到这里,就应该算是到头了,作为一个普通消费者而言。实际上,自己的眼睛是最重要的,只要自己喜欢,价格又能接受,在这里无论买个什么样的HD电视都是可以满足的,关键是买个放心,不被欺骗。

我的选择是:
home theater in basement. 首选front projection. 注意,不是rear projection.是投影仪加银幕。

family room. 首选Plasma。

说实话,看big screen HD programm的感觉是真爽,配上DD5.1的sound system,有人请我回去做共产党总书记,我也不干。

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Which model??? FS promotes Samsung HPR4272, $3999. Onsale 3499.00
They can go as far as another 500 off depends on your bargain skill.But plus 450 Tax. Final : 3449.
All other Sammy models I can see at FS are 852x480. EDTVs.
Even the Plasma HDTV is 1024x768, Supoorts 1080i, but not real 1080i.
You canNOT get the best picture from PBS.

The Truth is NO REAL HDTV PLASMA below 3K except Hisense.
But You DO get PLASMA 1024x768 HDTV in China at lower price. There's no HDTV signal there, but you can test it by computer graphic card.
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I may double check with my buddy about his Samsung things.
Scorpius1007, I checked with my friend about his CHEAP HDTV.

It was amazing, he bought Samsung HPR4272 from FS at $2500, plus a free TV stand.

He catched on this low price when FS offered big promotion. He told me, wait for the Thankgiving Day, I would get it at the same price or even lower.

It's a good story for us.
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麻烦您请问一句, catched 是什么意思?
catched的意思是whatever, or get a life. 算我白说,我朋友花20000刀买了个破等离子电视,还三天两头要往里充气,末办法呀,漏气呀。

有点意思,我也就是这么一说,这么多人脖子也红了,青筋都爆跳出来了。

降降血压,中国不土,加拿大土,好了吧?
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我有的时候喜欢看这个,但是不多,相信小小小朋友肯定特别喜欢看。

http://www.theory.org.uk/ttub1.jpg

http://www.theory.org.uk/ttub3.jpg

http://www.theory.org.uk/ttub4.jpg

http://www.theory.org.uk/ttub2.jpg
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http://www.moviecentral.ca/content3/sopranos1-5/keyart/season2.jpg
这是现在每天晚上必看的节目。
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