Jul 30th, 2011, 10:25 | #1 |
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现在花6千买waidia CD机?不值呀。 个人看法,我买这个,100美金,还带平衡输出和AES数码输出,配个好点的专业解码,比6千的wadia差不到哪去。当然,没有那个Wadia的牌子牛逼 http://cgi.ebay.com/TASCAM-CD-450-CD...ht_1724wt_1039 |
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Jul 30th, 2011, 10:34 | #2 |
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问题是你听Wadia也未必就有感觉 一般听几秒就有惊艳的感觉的东西,都脱不了味精的干系 Tascam 450也就是买了当个转盘用,关键还是看解码。 你要花个6千买个快十年旧的转盘加解码,还不如花同样的钱,买个新解码器,数码技术发展快,买旧的不如买新的。 |
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Jul 30th, 2011, 13:26 | #3 |
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Jul 30th, 2011, 14:01 | #4 |
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WADIA加了料的吧,就是校过声,弄的都象黑焦的音色。现在的解码都讲直白,够通透的话,就看录音了 ,录音好也不会数码位重的 |
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Jul 30th, 2011, 14:53 | #5 |
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老兄,08年之后还说市场不是傻瓜?老江说的,太naive? 达分奇还能叫价30万卖张床呢, 买的人也不少。 WADIA当然不是达分奇,值不值那个价还得看个人,东西好不好,还得自己去听,市场价仅仅是个参考,高价并不一定是高质量的保证。 以前DAC里面jitter rejection技术有限,高价CD player从转盘机械方面着手来降低jitter,比如这个Wadia 861一大卖点: the vaunted and very highly thought of TEAC/Esoteric full clamping transport which offered very low jitter and excellent performance。 不过在现代DAC jitter rejection技术的发展和CAS的大背景下,这些技术越来越成了marketing的噱头。 汽车出来之后,再怎么发展马车技术,又能怎样呢?it doesn't matter any more.. 此帖于 Jul 30th, 2011 16:11 被 hugoo 编辑。 |
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Aug 2nd, 2011, 17:09 | #9 |
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Aug 3rd, 2011, 10:56 | #10 |
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音乐资料的制作质量,是个大问题,google了一下,发现网上也有些讨论,比如这个: SACD vs. CD - Unfair competition? http://forums.audioreview.com/genera...tion-4780.html 基本意思就是说,唱片公司出hybird SACD的时候,故意降低其中的CD音轨的质量,因为他们最不愿意看到的就是有人抱怨听不出SACD音轨和CD的区别。 回帖中有个人也举例说有家主要出黑胶的唱片公司,用最好的设备和方式出黑胶,而用backup tape出CD,结果就是他家出CD和黑胶音质有很大差别。 当然我们是没有过硬的证据来证明,不过不能否认的是,唱片公司确实有做案的动机和动力。 |
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现在的CD你不知道,后期加效果,压动态,大部分都做的太过了,我买了几张DK的CD,只有一张还可以,别的都不行,动态压的太厉害,明显是后期搞的,给人在车里听很好,在家用hifi听,真不行,SACD就不会这样做的了,hdtracks上下载的大都也还不错。 所以SACD比CD好听,很难界定是技术上的原因多,还是后期制作的因素多。 |
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我听了高清版的DK的Live in Paris,很喜欢,就跑去买了盘CD,结果发现,CD版的输出电平明显被拉高,headroom小了好多,和高清版比,听感差了不止一点,这录音都是一个,明显就是后期CD制作的时候搞的鬼。本来还想收集点CD的,现在看到这样的也没劲弄了。 CAS确实好,肯定是以后的潮流 |
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"They only seem to acknowledge the issue and do something about it when somebody complains. Seems their business model is to do no testing themselves but let their customers do it for them." If you are referring to HDTracks, you would be incorrect. Since it has been brought to their attention that some of the sources supplied to them by the record companies are not as advertised, they are now testing all files prior to release. While I think it is great that people on this forum are investigating the nature of these files, and bringing problems to their attention, I think it would be prudent to not make this into a witch hunt, and especially not to make incorrect blanket statements like the above. I am very glad that HDTracks has been a pioneer in making many wonderful high resolution releases available, and wish them to continue in doing so; for this to happen we need to support them. |
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Hdtracks根本就是个retailer,母带都在各个唱片公司手里,他卖的都不是他自己做的东西,唱片公司给他什么,他就卖什么。 |
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Aug 4th, 2011, 10:31 | #17 |
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sgyyz,你upsampled的来了,一看就有问题
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这个是在hdtracks买的24/192的,看起来很奇怪,应该是有问题的:
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这个也是在hdtracks 下的,不过就是普通16/44.1,听起来也很不错的音质,贴上来参考一下:
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