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旧 Jun 5th, 2007, 19:39   只看该作者   #41
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忽然联想到唐诗。

谁是您心目中最好的四个唐代诗人?(对我来说,李白、杜甫、王维、白居易)把这四个人的作品排除,能入眼的诗当然还是有,但,唐诗还是您心目中的唐诗吗?

如果有人从没读过唐诗,您对他说:“嗯,唐诗,博大精深哪!估计说深的您不懂,李杜王白您就先省省,从贾岛、韦应物入手吧。唔,您要看杜甫?《望岳》、《佳人》估计您不懂,我替您找找•••两个黄鹂鸣翠柳•••黄四娘家花满蹊,这两首浅显易懂,您先来这个吧”,那这个人读了这些诗,会不会暗自嘀咕“唐诗盛名之下,其实难副”?

我见过的“古典音乐入门”之类,恰恰做的就是这种不可思议的事,甚至更恶劣,因为糟糕的乐团会让音乐完全丧失原意。我甚至一直怀疑,很多人无法入门,就是因为第一口被恶心住了。
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旧 Jun 5th, 2007, 22:04   只看该作者   #42
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针对入门这个主题,个人认为还是楼主的路子比较合适。邓兄的见解自有独到之处,可以开专题,但入门者慎入。

基本同意。

老邓发力,虽然穴位还算准,但是用力过猛了一些,倘若言辞讲究一下也不无道理。

再说,曲高和寡是天经地义,不必争出所以然,

能让普通人理解的,也当然不是高雅的了

钦此。
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旧 Jun 5th, 2007, 22:06   只看该作者   #43
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忽然联想到唐诗。

谁是您心目中最好的四个唐代诗人?(对我来说,李白、杜甫、王维、白居易)把这四个人皮..
最后一句很有道理,但是没有操作性
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旧 Jun 5th, 2007, 22:27   只看该作者   #44
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最后一句很有道理,但是没有操作性
以前说“没有可操作性”,大半是因为好的版本很贵。现在网上大把共享资源,没有这个障碍了吧。
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旧 Jun 5th, 2007, 22:56   只看该作者   #45
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以前说“没有可操作性”,大半是因为好的版本很贵。现在网上大把共享资源,没有这个障碍了吧。
1,“现在网上大把共享资源”,大部分是mp3只类的,不少是不能反映出名版优点的,能反映的,也很少有通过合适的硬件还原的

2,正是因为“现在网上大把共享资源”,所以很多人在占有的喜悦中不得要领,是不是就是指的这个
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旧 Jun 5th, 2007, 23:20   只看该作者   #46
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可恨网速还是不够快。上次下载平均律大键琴版,居然电骡了两个月!

我收藏有几百张正版CD,可惜传不出去。每次碰见有人有兴趣,就赶紧刻录。
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旧 Jun 5th, 2007, 23:37   只看该作者   #47
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可恨网速还是不够快。上次下载平均律大键琴版,居然电骡了两个月!

我收藏有几百张正版CD,可惜传不出去。...
老大这里有空间,如果邓大人不记麻烦,以后请多费神
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旧 Jun 5th, 2007, 23:46   只看该作者   #48
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怎样打包上传?上传速度快吗?
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旧 Jun 6th, 2007, 08:31   只看该作者   #49
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怎样打包上传?上传速度快吗?
我是看到这个:
http://www.chinasmile.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=240680

要请版主和老大定夺

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旧 Jun 6th, 2007, 09:06   只看该作者   #50
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1,“现在网上大把共享资源”,大部分是mp3只类的,不少是不能反映出名版优点的,能反映的,也很少有通过合�...
这话可以算是听音乐最大的误区之一,不少人不听古典都拿这个当理由,殊不知最早的乐迷都是经历过半导体和磁带那段岁月洗礼的,那时候的硬件条件、音质,和现在的mp3都没法比,更不用说录音技术早期的蜡铜和33转了。好器材固然对欣赏音乐有提高和帮助,但真正的乐迷,对音乐的热爱是不会受到硬件条件的限制影响的,只有音响发烧友才会过分看重音质。 自从我的mini-hifi废掉以后,这五年来我一直是用电脑音箱和一个很老的Sony Diskman听音乐,用的耳机也一直很烂,直到上个月才买了个Sennheiser HD555,而这五年来我在音乐眼界上的拓宽有着质的飞跃,是我听音乐收获最大的几年。 不太关注音响效果,反而能将精力集中到你所听的音乐中去。
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这话可以算是听音乐最大的误区之一,不少人不听古典都拿这个当理由,殊不知最早的乐迷都是经历过半导体和磁...
哈哈
你误解我的意思
我说就是一些发烧友
我在肉联上看看到,64k的mp3被嘲笑,没有192k以上的不上传,我都不敢在那里久留
嘿嘿,我自己收藏的“名曲”有的还是wav文件
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我说就是一些发烧友
我在肉联上看看到,64k的mp3被嘲笑,没有192k以上的不上传,我都不�...
呵呵,你去的哪个版?
要我的话就这么整他们,把某个曲子做成32K的mp3上传上去,然后告诉他们这是福特温格勒1937年或1925年的战前录音,看他们怎么说。
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要我的话就这么整他们,把某个曲子做成32K的mp3上传上去,然后告诉他们这是福特温格勒1...
什么版记不得,是去年,好像,一帮网友说上传什么的,说这64k你也敢传,还说200加币以上的耳机才能听出古典的味道,我吓的落荒而逃,那是欣赏古典吗,好像几个公子哥儿比阔

对不起,背后议论人,反正我是流氓我怕谁
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一般来说128K我就能接受了,再低的话确实能听出音质的衰退。
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默认 好贴

感谢诸位的热情介绍, 本贴探讨了乐史, 曲目, 版本, 器具等诸多问题, 在下有很多所得.

自己的体验也有一两点, 就教于大家:

1 在多伦多, 除了FM963外, LIBRARY也有很多资源, 在TPL的网上能查讯, 还有一些CD不在网上, 要到书架上查; 这是免费而高质量的宝库, 虽然高人们会挑剔好版本的缺失, 但初入门者如我一辈也可以得以管窥圣殿了;

2 听音乐的器械在初级选手并不是关键因素, 遍听名曲也不一定能培养起热情, 我以为心境的沉静和专注更为要紧;

3 背景知识的了解对兴趣和理解也很重要, 能一见衷情固然好, 慢慢学习也会产生热情的.

A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.
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94.1也不错,99.1也行,
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这样只听一个乐章,甚至一小节没有用的。。。
听古典是要听完,要了解整部作品的全貌,读懂作曲家的思想。。。
纯为了好听不如听Newage类的。。。
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晕。。大家听不出来128K MP3的高频到了12000Hz以上就衰减得很厉害吗?高频的延伸完全没有了。。。低频到了100Hz左右就打住了。。。完全没有下潜。。。就算是320Kbps的也是乐曲很多细节丢失,营造出的声场也不对劲。。。
现在我全听WAV了。。。。或者CD机。。
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晕。。大家听不出来128K MP3的高频到了12000Hz以上就衰减得很厉害吗?高频的延伸完全没有了。。。低频到了100Hz左右就打住了。。。完全没有下潜。。。就算是320Kbps的也是乐曲很多细节丢失,营造出的声场也不对劲。。。
现在我全听WAV了。。。。或者CD机。。
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