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旧 Sep 18th, 2010, 14:18     #1
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默认 挣扎是否应发在这里:请谈谈各位的family value?

不知是否适合发在这里,但这里人气旺,另外也多少有关联吧!一个月后请管理员将此巾移至“心理人生”,谢谢。


近日在一个公共场合,遇到一个本地人,他参与大陆华人的活动小组多年,但有一个问题好象没有搞懂,所以问了好多华人,但绝大多数没有得到明确的意见,大致就是"你们的family value是什么?"不少翻眼珠的。我就来问问大家。
比如他们家的family value不是一代人,go to church; no hitting...........etc.
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旧 Sep 18th, 2010, 15:04     #2
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说起VALUE,我想到是口号性质的东西,那都是上级或领袖指示的,很多是大字写在墙上的,象“千万不要忘记阶级斗争”,“多、快、好、省地建设社会主义”,“少生孩子多栽树”之类的。因此对这类东西有些不屑。
来这里也见到一些机构也标榜着VISON,VALUE,MISSION,只是笑笑。现在看到这里的人提到家庭中所信奉的价值啦!
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旧 Sep 18th, 2010, 15:07     #3
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I dont get it - why would they 翻眼珠??
Family values can be very vague. I dont think a lot of people really think about what their family values are. T...

你已经说了“ dont think a lot of people really think about what their family values are”,可能是需要现想,现组织吧?不是多年坚持无疑,脱口而出的吧?

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旧 Sep 18th, 2010, 15:28     #4
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嗯。。。。。。老婆大人高兴,大家都高兴?算不算哒?
哈哈,类似这些表现大概就是他所说的翻眼珠吧!都回答的挺快,我还没组织出来呢!
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旧 Sep 18th, 2010, 16:45     #5
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What I meant was, people who don't think about it ,doesn't mean they haven't been doing so. They just haven't really concluded it or defined it.
那是,每个家庭既使没有明确的家庭价值信条,也在实际当中会自觉不自觉地执行着,这里的差别也就在于是否清晰化。而有无清晰化对实际执行的结果有没有影响呢?一代与另一代信奉和认同的是否一致呢?
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目前俺们家的value 就是 我能睡个好觉,小弟(8个月)能吃顿饱饭,小妹(4岁半)不哭不闹不嫉妒,能有朋友一起玩;lg回家就有饭吃,全家高高兴兴的恭迎他回家。
一个家庭的VALUE好象是指长期稳定信念,特定时期的需求不知是否属于此列,比如十年后是不是还差不多?
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家庭价值信条是不是类似学校校训那种东西?像学校都有什么求实、创新什么,都差不多,老大以前ID下也有八个大字,像校训一样,应该是华疯院训。

中国家族是有核心价值的。一般各姓氏都有堂号,代表的就是介个 value。比如,张家的祠堂里的匾上是 百忍堂。张家人最能忍,对内对外都是。爱打架闹事的,估计姓...
长见识了,再见到那位我给他试着讲,看能不能挽回点面子。但这些东西好象是过去式了,有没有实际存在于家庭之中呢?另外好象有点太空泛了,大家感觉如何?
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加拿大人最喜欢提到的是CANADIAN VALUE(一般是指:DEMOCRAZY, FREEDOM, LEGALIZATION 等等,)同样,什么叫FAMILY VALUE? 有的人理解的FAMILIY VALUE是钱, 有钱就有VALUE,没钱什么都甭提。 ,有的人觉得是指开心, 开心就行了,就是...
还有这种说法,哈哈。
这个有点象上市公司,有多少存款,房子值多少钱,车子值多少钱,家俱大件值多少钱等等?这些合起来越高,VALUE就越高?


补充:是不是还有股票证券古玩收藏之类的?
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你理解错了,我说的不是这个意思。 我说的是,在有的人心目中,一个家里,钱是最重要的。 不是说值多少。
开个玩笑,这里面谈的VALUE还是精神,信念之类的,当然如果信奉:“一切东西都有价格”做为family value也是有的,无可无不可。
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当时大概意思是说中国人家庭只注重学业成绩,不注重family value,很多家庭没有family value,感觉到被戳痛,也做了相应的说明,有些类似上面一些贴子的说法,如没有清楚提出来或定义出来。那位说没有被清楚化或定义出来的也就和没有差不多,就象一个作家没有清晰的写作目标,怎么能写出好书或好文章来,退一步讲没有清晰化,没有上升到意识层面的清晰表述,这样的家庭也是不成熟的,发展层次较低的。那位真是很好的朋友,换个一般关系的人我会以为他在骂人呢。
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我觉得随便评论别人家的family value,挺没有礼貌的。既然是family value,那就是人家自己family的事儿,跟外人没啥关系,又没有触犯到别人的利益。
比如说这人家老爱开party,扰民,那个可以抱怨,哪怕报警呢,人家不过就是注重自己孩子的学业,能有什么问题?
我认为倒不是评论别人家的value,而是在谈有没有清晰明确的value。

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其实大部分人都是混吃等S,实在没啥family或者个人value,至少没总结出来,亦或时刻在变,取决于当时情况。。。
hit the point,在这个所谓有旁人看来这正是这些家庭的悲哀之处。试想想一个家庭从没有清晰明确的VALUE发展到有清晰明确有VALUE,回头看看过去历程和别的家庭与自己过去一样,这会是一种什么样的感觉和态度。
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我不同意你的comment Z"中国人爱贴金,不承认爱钱。
那个爱钱有什么错呀,偶还姓钱呢,而且从小就爱钱,因为家里穷呀,老眼红别人家的妹妹有好看的衣服,有好吃的东西。另外偶从来没有觉着自已特俗,爱钱是偶人生的value之一,偶比较喜欢追求有一定物质的生活, 偶觉着很多人都会认可偶这个value...
这是君子爱财,取之有道。搞好人际关系,工作顺利也是取财之道呀!

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富养女、穷养儿-从老家谚语谈择偶

富养女、穷养儿,这是老家听过的谚语。大意是富人家的女儿因家境宽裕而仪容出众、气质高雅,从小在关爱的环境下成长而缺少花花心肠,且不易为金钱所打动,很容易成为一个优秀的妻子与母亲。而穷人的儿子从小饱经磨练,奋发图强,容易成为优秀的男人。中国古代的才子佳人大多属于富家女穷人儿的故事,也给我们在择偶时提供了一种借鉴。


看来,对钱的VALUE与成长期的生活历程有很大关系。
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亲家的话说的真是简明扼要,入木三分啊

这个世界绝大部分都是普通人,都属于81说的混吃等S型,讨论这value那value似乎都没什么意义

解放前我们家是当地的大地主大土豪,可是到了我爷爷这儿在解放前夕全部输光了:也好,共产党来了,打土豪分田地,辛亏爷爷输了,家里面就划了个中农,还是上中农...
看过葛优演的一个电影《活着》,那因祸得福的情节与你讲一模一样。
要不就是老姚看过电影来这里打趣。
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这个帖子我早晨就看见了,一直在想怎么回。

姚1家的经历跟我们家差不多。我爷爷三代单传,他的爸爸我太爷18岁就去世了, 留下我爷爷这么一个遗腹子。

我爷爷出生后家道就慢慢走下坡路了,他小时候的日子还算舒服,养成了他吃米饭时偏要馒头吃馒头时偏要喝粥等臭毛病。小时候上过几天私塾,会摇头晃脑读个什么“山...
愤青的讨论把楼搞歪了,我扶扶。

社会动荡对家庭的影响无处不在,有些VALUE也无法传承了,就象几代人建筑的大厦就被冲倒了,分散到各处,建筑新的VALUE体系还得重头再来,有的要走弯路,在有清晰明确VALUE的家庭面前可能显得弱势,这是我感觉有些难堪的因素之一吧。

看了WIKI的帖子,感慨万千呀,啥也不说了,眼泪哗哗地
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其实我相信各地人的value都差不多,因为人到本质上区别不大:首先是生存,其次是安全(其实也是要生存),love and compassion都是从生存而衍生出的附带品。更高的追求一般人就木有了,少数有追求的也是在低层要求满足后才心...
我同意这说法,你也把这个给我理清楚了,的确人的需要是分层次的,我知道这个,而且经常用的,怎么没有把这两个联系上呢?就是的所谓的family value是在基本生存需求得到满足后的需求,是属于金字塔的转上端的东西。主要是我觉得有点自卑,人家都建到上面去了,我还只有个地基,上面没成型
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关于马斯洛,81有更精辟的解释,见108楼:
http://www.chinasmile.net/forums/sho...&postcount=108

我脚的吧,您老有闲心在这谈family value,至少得是第三级,说不定正在第四级上挣扎。...
受教受教!因为看此坛所谈所8都很上层次,所以到此来发贴,从大家的发言中偷偷学点东西。
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家庭价值观前人早就总结好了就是3纲5常。
哈哈,好久的帖子了。
那些纲常等,是否有家庭真正奉为VALUE呢?
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