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口水鸡 嚼多了, 说话 也流 口水了。

又 被 星球级 专家 打了 一针, 好痛。


和尚念经
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记不清楚了, 好像 是 一 国人 在 滑铁卢 写的 一篇 论文, 提出 了 一 个 泡泡机 理论, 被 认为 是 本次 萧条 发生 的 根源。

这人 好像 回国 隐居了。
不 算 得 志 的 那种。
是不是 这个 朗教授啊?
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旧 Oct 5th, 2009, 13:26     #3
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怪不得8年了还业余水平,原来如此。
20 年后, 我 会 对 孙子 显摆, 你 labor 爷爷 当年 可是 同 北美洲股神 在 一个 坛

子 里 挽过 袖子 的 呕。
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旧 Oct 5th, 2009, 13:41     #4
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谁 在 炒作 星球级 专家 言论啊 ?

星系猎人。
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旧 Oct 5th, 2009, 13:43     #5
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原来都在这儿热闹呢
虽然说姚股神是我们疯儿街的招牌, 也另猪猪十分佩服, 可是猪猪还得多说两句
股神在和高手们过招的时候, 稍微HUMBLE一点就更好了, 否则, 这疯儿街的高手都一个个离开就没意思了, 猪猪想起来东山兄弟的离开了
水池 也是 好长时间 没见 冒泡 了。
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旧 Oct 5th, 2009, 13:54     #6
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近朱者赤, 近墨者黑。

与 大师们 胡搅蛮缠, 近身肉搏, 有些 时日 了 哈
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也是领导啊,

我天天挤公交,命苦啊
大隐隐于市。

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真好老公 ,学习了
咋 说话 有点 半男不女 的。
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好象不赞同老狼, 就好象自扁自己是的.

不过国内这些喝过洋濹水的所谓经济学家们, 本人确实认为不怎么地. 老狼发表的那些文章, 如果不是迎合老洋的口味, 在西方杂志上发表的门都没有. 就象老张的电影, 这边的中国菜, 老外就好这一口, 有什么办法呢.

幸亏中国领导人没有听这些的媚外的经济...
站在 巨人 的 肩上, 给他 两耳光。 狡猾狡猾的。
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A description of the Gaussian copula function from an article in Wired magazine by Felix Salmon:

Consider something simple, like a kid in an elementary school: Let's call her Alice. The probability that her parents will get divorced this year is about 5 per cent, the risk of her getting head lice is about 5 per cent, the chance of her seeing a teacher slip on a banana peel is about 5 per cent, and the likelihood of her winning the class spelling bee is about 5 per cent. If investors were trading securities based on the chances of those things happening only to Alice, they would all trade at more or less the same price.

But something important happens when we (also look at) the girl she sits next to, Britney. If Britney's parents get divorced, what are the chances that Alice's parents will get divorced, too? Still about 5 per cent: The correlation there is close to zero. But if Britney gets head lice, the chance that Alice will get head lice is ... about 50 per cent – which means the correlation is probably up in the 0.5 range. If Britney sees a teacher slip on a banana peel, what is the chance that Alice will see it, too? ... It could be as much as 95 per cent, which means the correlation is close to 1. And if Britney wins the spelling bee, the chance of Alice winning it is zero, which means the correlation is negative: -1.

If investors were trading securities based on the chances of these things happening to both Alice and Britney, the prices would be all over the place, because the correlations vary so much.

Math whiz proposed applying this statistical formula to credit risk, and financial meltdown

March 18, 2009
Torstar News Service
Former University of Waterloo statistician David X. Li didn't burn down the American economy. He just supplied the matches.

As economists and market watchers cast about for people to blame for the U.S. market meltdown, Li has surfaced as a scapegoat. Recently, Wired magazine ran an article on Li's work subtitled, "The Formula That Killed Wall Street."

The formula in question is the so-called Gaussian copula function. On the most basic level, the formula allows statisticians to model the behaviour of several correlated risks at once.

In a scholarly paper published in 2000, Li proposed the theorem be applied to credit risks, encompassing everything from bonds to mortgages. This particular copula was not new, but the financial application Li proposed for it was.

Disastrously, it was just simple enough for untrained financial analysts to use, but too complex for them to properly understand. It appeared to allow them to definitively determine risk, effectively eliminating it. The result was an orgy of misspending that sent the U.S. banking system over a cliff.

"To say David brought down the market is like blaming Einstein for Hiroshima," says Prof. Harry Panjer, Li's mentor at the University of Waterloo. "He wasn't in charge of the financial world. He just wrote an article."

When David X. Li first arrived from China in 1987, he was known as Xiang Lin Li. He already held a masters in economics from Tianjin's Nankai University. He was one of a group of the faculty there who won a scholarship to study business in Canada through CIDA. In order to claim his prize at Montreal's Laval University, Li was given four months to master French.

"We were all highly motivated," says Jie Dai, who was in the program with Li. "He was from a small town in the south of China. A small family, very ordinary, not poor or rich. There wasn't anything distinguished about his personality."

Li graduated with an MBA in 1991. Most of his Chinese classmates were bound for academia. Li saw a more worldly future. Says Dai: "I clearly remember him mention that if you are an actuarial guy, you can earn a lot more money."

Li had recently married a colleague from Nankai when he decided to study at Waterloo's department of statistics and actuarial sciences. He was drawn by the work of Panjer, a world leader in the study of loss modelling, especially as it applies to the world of insurance.

"He had the ability to take ideas from different fields and synthesize them," Panjer says.

In Waterloo, Li lived the hand-to-mouth life of a grad student. He anglicized his name. He and Panjer became close, and still correspond. Over six years, he earned his third masters and a PhD.

After graduation in 1997, Li taught briefly. He worked for CIBC World Markets. But his ambition quickly drove him to New York. He tore up the corporate ladder. By 2000, he was a partner in J.P. Morgan's RiskMetrics unit, trying to find ways to leverage a new generation of risk-based financial assets.

His breakthrough was an article published that year entitled, "On Default Correlation: A Copula Function Approach."

Many of the ideas contained within it were drawn from statistics research Li had observed firsthand at Waterloo. His insight was to transfer the work to financial models.

Li's model sidestepped the problem of trying to correlate all the variables that determine risk. Instead, it based its assumptions on the historical dips and swells of the market itself. In essence, Li used the past to map the future.

"It was a very simple mathematical answer almost anyone could use," Panjer says "And when you've got a hammer, everything suddenly looks like a nail. They jumped on it."

Through the lens of Li's theorem, even the shakiest investments suddenly looked viable. The Gaussian cupola created the sort of financial alchemy that made high-risk mortgages and credit card debt look like triple-A rated gold.

Money poured into CDSs (credit default swaps), a financial device that acts as an insurance policy against defaults. By the end of 2007, the total investment in credit default swaps had swelled to $62 trillion (U.S.), a 6,700 per cent increase in only six years.

Li didn't make money directly off the idea, but it made him famous.

Maybe he sensed the danger inherent in the system he'd help establish. By 2005, Li was among those warning about the limitations of his model. "The most dangerous part is when people believe everything coming out of (the model)," he told The Wall Street Journal.

What Li's theorem could not do was predict what might happen in extreme economic environments, what experts call "tail dependency." And one was arriving.

The 2008 collapse of the U.S. housing bubble rendered Li's model useless. Defaults that the model had not predicted piled up, rippling through U.S. banks and wiping out trillions of dollars in investment.

But Li's colleagues say he's not to blame. "We have a saying in statistics, `All models are wrong, but some are useful,'" says Panjer. "He supplied something, a tool kit, for financial analysts. They took one small part of it and used it in ways he had never intended."

Li since moved to Beijing, where he heads the risk management department for the China International Capital Corp., a major investment bank. He has not commented on the meltdown or his role in it.
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