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旧 Dec 30th, 2010, 00:46     #1
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看来各位看官不知道LZ的箱子是什么?

他曾经写过体会。
即使是high end的音箱,在先锋的功放表现下,整体一样不好。

先锋的东西,即使是Elite,都不能算作好。
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旧 Dec 30th, 2010, 00:47     #2
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还有其他兄弟有使用感受莫
老外发烧友都不动先锋,说先锋这个型号好的,肯定不是行家。
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旧 Dec 30th, 2010, 00:52     #3
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先锋有一老款1980可不是盖的。
单蹦的一个半个不算。健伍有一款1973年(型号记得不是太清了)的preamp也是当年的顶尖。
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旧 Dec 30th, 2010, 09:54     #4
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Set your expectation ...
也是Pioneer Elite用户。几个月前买来跟垃圾Pioneer HTIB比,看电影听歌样样好(那时候也全换上了Polk的5.1 HT音箱)。感觉天跟地一样。之后又买了后级功放(200w/ch,3 channels)推一对前置跟中置,音效又更好...
你级别没看清楚,这款不是Elite。先锋的噪音过高,就是用好的preamp改善一下,如果你把略好点的同级别的其他名牌,你会得出不同的结论。
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通过这个贴,我想说一下,5.1和7.1作为家庭影院而言的确.....


我的地下室放电影目前用yamaha m-80 (250watt/channle?or 280watt/channel?双声道),拖着Klipsch Tagent 500 (峰值750watt,连续值350watt),投在大屏幕上,地下室是开阔的不是封闭的房间,放星战黑客指环王一类的,音响效果惊人。


有次,带着我的部分设备曾经体验过我爱奔驰的Paradigm旗舰音箱,就影院效果整体表现而言,两套系统对比不可同日而言(低音浑厚突出,中音表现强劲有力,虽然细节不如他的Paradigm)。

谈到这里,subwoofer,实际上挺可笑的。
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VSX-1325-K就是Elite。是Pioneer Elite VSX-33。VSX-1325-K is model# specifically for sale in Futureshop only.
很奇怪,我把图像放大到400%,没看人任何Elite的标志。销售商巴不得把Elite的标签贴到上面,可惜的是,你说的特别制造相当于VSX-33,这是个很老的型号了,我记得以前处理掉的一款不是33就是38,令人失望,真的
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您的意思您的系统在没有低炮是就很好?低炮多余还是别的意思?
配置上满足使用要求的音箱(比如看电影),如果选的音箱足够好(这个当年不错,我100元买的旧的),低音炮是多余的。
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http://www.pioneerelectronics.ca/POCEN/Products/Home+Entertainment/A+V+Receivers/Elite+A+V+Receivers/ci.VSX-33.Kuro ("http://www.pioneerelectronics.ca...
110W @ 0.08%

先不谈是不是一样级别型号了。

略微好点的功放,0.07都能听出比0.08的音质改善来。
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羡慕。看来现在功放成本都花在DSP,环绕,接口,各种标准上了,功率输出是能简就简,远不如以前双声道功放拼的是真材实料。
这些都是成本,也就是目前的价格高的原因吧,制造商搞了一些华而不实的不属于改善音质的components,烧了银子,误导了/糊弄了普通消费者。


我当年就是从package开始,到5.1,到7.1,差点到了9.1,后来转向了双声道,真的走了不少弯路。
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I don't disagree,虽然我不能很具体领会那个0.08%THD的效果。但是在一堆更好的器材比较下,耳朵很容易分得出什么是好什么是不好。

Back to the point, set your expectation。Nothing is perfect。
我想表达的是,关键几大因素:音源,播放器,音箱,amp,preamp,cables。你具有了全部好的组成,唯独amp短腿(这个是重要短腿)
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出发点跟你差不多一样。可能是读了很多你写在这里的经历,所以走少了弯路。

那天聚会,两个人跟我谈了当年的贴子,金天装修的领头大哥,花了200元,买了Marantz 8x00的功放,N年前,原主人花了近3000元,这个也太超值了。

另外一个,花了150元,买的Marantz 7x00,也很超值,性价比没法提了。

我很替他们高兴,如果他们今天要买类似的声音效果的东西,第一肯定要花3000以上,声音效果很可能不如N年前的东西;第二,如果花类似的钱,话买来一些没用的功能,比如3D,multiroom setup, etc.
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淘宝去!
功课研究透了,有的是宝贝。反正,我的眼里目前市场上新出的产品,就音质而言,垃圾的不行了。
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麦田兄给个掏宝目录吧, 加市场好像好东西不多见.
都在转眼之间消失,你能看见吗?

曾经见过:
Rotel的1xxx和1xxx的amp和preamp,主人要200元,大约一瞬之间消失(15份之内)

Bryston 4B见过有人卖过200元

Luxman L235有人卖过20元

Luxman L485?我抢下了50元

Luxman R-117和M-117卖100元/对,我抢下了

NAD的amp,有人卖过100元

Marantz amp xxx,有人卖过50元

......太多例子
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where?!
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可惜您的LUXMAN缺了个M5。
唉,现在的确是好的deal难找,我也懒得天天靠在kijiji上(上班时间)。懂行的越来越多,好的东西不少,就是价格太贵了。不算是淘宝了。
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为什么你觉得有震撼的效果呢?我的理解是:
1. 功放:
Yamaha m-80是重50磅的后级功放(250瓦 8欧),可见你是用前后级功放左右声道来看电影的,也没有Subwoofer。而我的天龙旗舰AVR 5803虽然重64磅(傲视群雄了吧),号称140Wx7,但毕竟是多声道影院系统,比不上250瓦...
老兄,研究的真透,我是直接从感官上分析,没有从技术上分析。

千斤顶喜欢从理论上分析,我们三个人的欣赏层次不同啊。

你的分析实际上也说明了,音箱如果的确好的一定程度,比如我的Tagent 500低音如果能覆盖到25hz,那就更完美了。


昨天在影院看了哈利伯特7,音响效果的确好(包括低音),也就有侧面证明了,还是音箱的级别未达到一定程度,你老见过影院使用专门的低音炮吗?
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