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旧 May 17th, 2007, 19:27     #1
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器材: NIKON FM2, NIKKOR 24mm f2.8, COOLSCAN V ED, FUJI SENSIA 100

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旧 May 17th, 2007, 20:06   只看该作者   #2
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好漂亮,图大点就更好了
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旧 May 17th, 2007, 20:14   只看该作者   #3
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拍得好。

小图在电脑上确实看不出高分辨优势。
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旧 May 18th, 2007, 00:51   只看该作者   #4
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我觉V ED只发挥出了三成的威力。
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旧 May 18th, 2007, 02:00   只看该作者   #5
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老周眼力很毒, 确实空间太小, VED 无用武之地. 再贴一张.
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旧 May 18th, 2007, 02:14   只看该作者   #6
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已经很不错了,在35mm底片的底扫里,V ED应该是首选之一了,完全足够一直玩下去不需要升级了。

我没记错的话,牛书记2005年的片子都是用 IV ED扫的,都可以到这个水平,V ED就更有玩头了。

http://www.photo.net/photos/Andrew%20Ren
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旧 May 18th, 2007, 02:41   只看该作者   #7
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好片子,建议加精,呵呵!
如果图片尺寸再大点就更好了.

Calgary,有些人灌水真在行......
在加拿大,有些人学会了使用义工......MM
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旧 May 18th, 2007, 02:52   只看该作者   #8
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精尽人亡, 不可也.
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旧 May 18th, 2007, 03:08   只看该作者   #9
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不用担心,班主都经过JOE的特别挑选,资质过人,外加传授独门密技,岂是最近那只闻名天下的"1鸭4吃"可比?
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旧 May 18th, 2007, 07:15   只看该作者   #10
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借问下,千数底片,黑白彩色都有,品质糙,用什么扫描合适?

八路原来是国军
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旧 May 18th, 2007, 10:03   只看该作者   #11
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这几张真漂亮
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旧 May 18th, 2007, 23:35   只看该作者   #12
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如果都是135底片,建议使用V ED, 它含有修复旧照片的功能(DIGITAL ROC).
如果底片尺寸不一样, 可考虑含DIGITAL ROC功能的Canon, Minolta or Epson平板扫描仪,
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旧 May 19th, 2007, 00:40   只看该作者   #13
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这张更漂亮!
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旧 May 19th, 2007, 00:58   只看该作者   #14
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过奖了, 原图很一般, 略为PS了一下
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旧 May 19th, 2007, 02:12   只看该作者   #15
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这是温哥华阿!!!buarrad桥,对不对?其他的看不出来哪里。

灌水灌到花儿谢? Mission Impossible!

my baby
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旧 May 19th, 2007, 04:07   只看该作者   #16
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第2张天空再多点就更好了.个人愚见

听说而已 没有亲见
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旧 May 19th, 2007, 11:00   只看该作者   #17
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小声问瞎,用普通的scanner能扫底片吗? 只是想把以前流鼻涕时的老底片扫下存档。
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旧 May 19th, 2007, 11:29   只看该作者   #18
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小声问瞎,用普通的scanner能扫底片吗? 只是想把以前流鼻涕时的老底片扫下存档。
跟我的问题一样。普通的加透扫功能可以,不过大家强烈建议你做个专业人士
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跟我的问题一样。普通的加透扫功能可以,不过大家强烈建议你做个专业人士
透扫功能的E文叫什么? 俺就一普通的canoscan lide 35,没看到有这功能,估计是不行了。
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透扫功能的E文叫什么? 俺就一普通的canoscan lide 35,没看到有这功能,估计是不行了。
透扫是Flatbed Scanner。 人家Shaw老师,有这样一段话。


If you’re a film shooter, or if you have film images in your file that you want to work on, you need to digitize the images by scanning them in a film scanner. You can either do the scanning yourself or you can send film out to be scanned. Labs that do film scanning generally offer several levels of service. In my opinion the only option to consider is a drum scan. This is potentially the best scan possible, but as with all scans quality is partially dependent on the scanner operator. Your film is taken out of the mount, placed on a Plexiglas drum that rotates at high rpm, and is read by a microscope lens. You’ll have to remount your film when you get it back so buy some mounts ahead of time. Drum scans are fairly expensive, being around $45 per image per 100 MB of file size. A 35mm slide maxed out at 5000 dpi is roughly 100 MB for an 8-bit file (and any higher dpi is pointless as the scan is just looking at grain). Right now the Tango is, in my opinion, the best drum scanner. For the highest quality results, film
should be mounted onto the drum with Kami solution.

If you send film out to be scanned, make sure the scan is in the RGB or LAB color spaces but not in CMYK as you will have to convert back to RGB. CMYK is a smaller color space – it encompasses fewer colors – so you would be starting off at a disadvantage. All scanners are RGB devices anyway. If the service bureau you’re using to make scans insists on giving you a CMYK scan, go elsewhere. If you want to do your own scanning you have a choice between flatbed scanners and film scanners.


FLATBED SCANNER.

These are for scanning flat artwork, prints, papers, etc. They are not designed for scanning 35mm slides or negatives. Generally they have low resolution and a limited highlight-to-shadow range. If you’re going to go through all the work to optimize your images in Photoshop, then use a film scanner, not a flatbed.

FILM SCANNER.

As the name states, these are designed to scan film directly. Buy the best film scanner you can afford. Entry-level ones offer 8-bit color depth and a 3.0 density range (a measurement of how it handles highlights and shadows). Better ones have 12 or 14 bit depth, and 3.6 or higher density. Check out the resolution; you want 2900 dpi optical at the very minimum, and higher is better. But resolution by itself is not a reason to buy any one particular model. You should be aware that the scanner software plays a big part in how easily, and how well, a scanner can be used. Look for
software that allows you to make corrections pre-scan. Any work on the image afterwards means you’re changing the data itself. My recommendation for a film scanner is any one of the current Nikon line of scanners.

Always clean your film before you scan so you have less dust spotting to do later. Blow off the surface dust, and then use Pec-12 solution and Pec Pads (available through larger camera stores o4r mail order). Look at the film surface with a high-intensity light angled from the side and you will be shocked at the amount of dust on your film.

If you have a choice within your scanner software, scan in the Adobe RGB or LAB color spaces. Avoid sRGB as it is the least common denominator color space. If your scanner is not a TWAIN device and you must save the scan file, save it as a TIFF file but never as a JPEG. JPEG is a lossy file format for the web and email, not for making prints. And always scan at the highest bit depth possible if you have a choice. You want to work with the most information when you open the image in Photoshop.

Unless you have a good reason to do otherwise, always scan at the highest resolution possible. It’s easy to resize your image downwards, but you don’t want to be forced to go back and redo a scan in order to get a larger file. Do the scanning work only once. Memorize this statement: scan once, output many. When you have a good scan, save the file before you do any work on the image. If your scanner is a TWAIN device and the image opened in Photoshop, save in the Photoshop native .psd format; otherwise save the scan as a TIFF file. Give it a name so you can recognize it later as a scan file.

I just add the word “scan” to the file name, and save in a folder named “Raw Scans.” You may delete this file later, after you’ve finished your Photoshop work, but saving it now means you have a backup in case you make a monumental mistake.


----《John Shaw's Photoshop guide》
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