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旧 Aug 20th, 2012, 22:21     #1
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默认 老音箱 vs. 新音箱?

我比较赞同现代音箱,技术发展应该带动音箱质量的提升,这也许是想当然。经常看到很多人介绍 vintage speakers,甚至言称70s/80s 的音箱音质非常好,是现代音箱不能比的。

称赞的人多了,我就疑问,是不是真的老音箱就真的很好,特别是对音乐方面? 我没有听过70s80s的像paradigm这样的名牌音箱。

时不时地看到著名品牌的80年代的音箱在出售,价格一般都不算高,想搞一对听听。有没有人听老音箱或者玩老音箱的,请说说感觉。谢谢。
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旧 Aug 21st, 2012, 14:36     #2
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评价好还是不好很主观的,没有统一的标准,有人喜欢老箱子很正常,自己喜不喜欢要自己听过才知道。
确是,无法量化,就是新的音箱也不能统一,就因为这,才好奇它们有多好或者多不好。
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旧 Aug 21st, 2012, 14:41     #3
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我有两对老箱子,市面价格大概是100刀跟250刀,单就呻吟来说,这个价钱的新箱子我个人觉得买不到。所以我想如果不缺钱,新的贵的肯定有更好的,如果有限的钱买最好的声音,旧箱是个解决方案。
我随便翻一个老的 paradigm 9se MKII , 不用理会它的价格,麻烦你评估一下,能相当于现在的那个级别的音箱? 比如说什么牌子的什么型号等?

我知道这个比较困难,有点无头绪,不过还是希望听听你和其它大侠的说法或者感觉,给我扫扫盲。

http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-s...AdIdZ406072584
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旧 Aug 21st, 2012, 15:16     #4
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呵呵,这能在网上能理清头绪嘛?找机会东听西听看看贝,不过别在kjiji买音响啊。。。。这对音箱还正常的话应该1000刀内买不到更好新的,起码比这个好----http://www.axiomaudio.com/m50.html
两种音箱我都没听过,他们盲听,我瞎说
还没有打算买老音箱。不买也不卖,逛kijiji有点像国内周末逛大街。

谢谢你的评价,就是希望看到这样的类比。以后有机会,也感受一下老音箱的魅力。
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旧 Aug 22nd, 2012, 10:53     #5
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imo, 老箱很不错的,特别是英国箱。一般有更好的低音。更符合音响原则,只是占多点地方。新的箱都是小喇叭,瘦长,以适应小地方摆放。老箱的喇叭口径大,典型的落地箱是12“喇叭。新箱典型的是6.5”,你说那个好?
想起来了,几年前听过一对10"左右的老箱,橘红色喇叭边,应该是 cerwin-vega,当时不知道啥牌子,觉得歌曲中的人声很舒服、有质感,我还夸了那人的音箱好。

新老喇叭口径是差很大。现在的音箱都用低音炮来补偿,老音箱的口径再大也比不上专门设计的低音炮啊。况且老喇叭的设计制作上,由于新工艺新材料的应用,应该和新的没法比。

但是,实际新的比老的在音质上进步不大,除了结构上有变化,这样肤浅的理解应该比较合理了? high end 除外。
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旧 Aug 22nd, 2012, 22:55     #6
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低音炮听音乐不行的。低音夸张,频响不好。正宗的交响乐队的立体声录音必须用2声道播放,不能有低音炮。否则就无法重现乐队各种乐器的位置了,这是很重要的。

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很多高档音箱都把超低音箱分开,把功放也分开,和低音炮的原理一样。比如Focal。

其实是听不出超低音的定位的。如果当真心理上过不了这一关,可以买两个低音炮。

当然,低价的低音炮还不如不要,就是你说的“低音夸张,频响不好”。
低音夸张确实存在,没有低音又不行,听起来无深度(自我感觉),结果是把低音关小些。老音箱的大口径估计正好合适。

这个低音或者低频很低的声音,应该是音乐后期制作加上去的吧,或者说是人为的夸张的频率,实际的演奏哪儿有这么低?
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旧 Aug 22nd, 2012, 22:57     #7
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旧音箱最大的好处是便宜.过去GARAGE SALE. 一般$10一对.
有时还可以捡到.

现在有了KIJIJI, 不那末便宜了.
家里有超过30对箱子,如果是新的,我可买不起.

听得多了,才能比较.
30对,收藏专家了。
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旧 Aug 22nd, 2012, 23:00     #8
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问你个问题,音箱和 Speaker 单体生产厂家有Engineer 部门吗?

他们每年的新产品研发经费的投入,每天的工作,产出在哪里?
你是说需要开发新品,换换样子,以维持生存?

要是厂家这样干,想必也是能理解的。
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旧 Aug 22nd, 2012, 23:36     #9
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我现在就用这个12“的老箱,感觉太好了。
是这个25元的吗? 那个四方的牌牌都掉了,呵呵,我以后要买,就照这么老的买。

http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/detai...tage_speakers/
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旧 Aug 23rd, 2012, 10:00     #10
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四方的牌故意搞掉的,没用。就要个箱体,原来的喇叭都不要了。
满意的音质都是这样捣鼓出来的?喇叭都diy掉了,已经不是那对音箱了,搞掉标牌怕人说是山寨版。
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旧 Aug 23rd, 2012, 11:20     #11
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老广这种就是自己能下厨做菜的高手,还有一种就是花钱到馆子里点菜的玩法,现在我觉得还是要学着自己做菜吃,既能享受过程,又能享受结果.
老广的电子和音箱技术很高超,不是一般人能玩转的。不过看你这方面的经验和技术,也绝非菜鸟,须仰视才见。
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