温故而知新:没锅的日子真难受，交流一下(14)

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老贴20多页了，新开一个，13在这里http://www.chinasmile.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=371699

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我收回前几天我下的关于121W c-band fta 的结论，用刚收到的6FT primus focus足足diy了2天，基本所有H的tp都可以收到，但是想要收看的东森的3900却在V上，头一天到头了q也就12, 全是雪花，但是皇天不负有心人，今天挑灯夜战，终于把quality提高到15,偶尔少许雪花，基本可以看了，(下一步是diy一个scalar ring,看看能不能提高几个q)，也算是没有辜负我那几百刀，嘿嘿。不过发现玩锅的确是个乐趣，让你上瘾...

---同时也看看很多关于offset 1.2 M dish的帖子，由于他们都是以信号最强的HITN-TV作为参照，所以我以为1.2M可以拿下，亲身体验了，才知道，悬... 1.8M都这么艰辛，1.2M。。。，而且1.2M, hitn他们最多到60%-70%, 我可以到99%， 所以玩c-band, 还是要东西大才行，我后悔放弃那个10ft了...其实后院应该可以放下的...


我在BC，我现在估计起码要8ft, 才能稳定收看--当然是几个中文台，在satelliteguys.us问了几个美国兄弟，都说3900在10ft上都q很低，看来Size does matter

大概报告一下目前收到的true fta on 121 using 6 ft
SPORTS TIME OHIO
SPORTSMAN CHANNEL
BABY FIRST TV
SETANTA SPORTS
EURONEWS English 偶尔雪花
TXCN - TEXAS CABLE NEWS 偶尔雪花
SINO TV KCNS-38 San Francisco-CA 白天都是转播宏观----偶尔雪花

VERIA
3个东森的节目 --偶尔雪花， 估计下雨了，刮风了就没有戏了
AL JAZEERA INTERNATIONAL 偶尔雪花

还有一些西班牙语，和印度那边语言的，还有几个听到声音，图像加密的...

照片明天再上把，现在看新闻了，也该休息一下了



---最近的工程就告一个段落，现在可以稳定收看的True FTA报告如下(几个宗教的不算)

CCTV4/9, ETTV(3),MACTV.SINA TV(MACTV during the DAY), total count 7...enough ^.^


---以上都是业余时间玩玩而已，cband不比ku band, 对空间要求很大，而且dvb的节目源很有限，如果你想入门，去这里看看http://www.satelliteguys.us/c-band-s...te-discussion/
多学习一下，然后再下手，不然小心给LP咔咔

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upload one pic as reference --btw my ghetto superdish with 6 lnb is so ugly, so I did not take a close up picture ^.^

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作者: creativeccc

老大，N3目前还是一点消息都没有？

N3目前没有动静，能用的都是IKS, 大家耐心些，IKS肯定不安全，而且nfusion还搞得很大张旗鼓，总觉得会有什么事情，没有必要为了几个小钱惹麻烦...

同时提醒大家，暂时没有任何N3的破解，也不要相信任何人的有n3的破解，如果有了，我一定会及时通知大家

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作者: drchao

老大，所以你的结论是要8ft以上的锅, c-band LNB才比较有可能稳定收到东森在3900上的那三台, 锅是越大越好. 对吗? 我在温哥华.
另外, 请问这个C-Band Dual Polarity 13-Degree LNB 4DTV 行吗?
http://www.mxmart.com/s...

是的，c-band的确是锅越大越好，我在岛上，和你很近，所以，我的结论当然适用于你。。

那个lnb不好mount, 我用的这个

http://transatelectronics.com/store/...uband-lnb_P310

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作者: AbsentROR

是的，c-band的确是锅越大越好，我在岛上，和你很近，所以，我的结论当然适用于你。。

那个lnb不好mount, 我用的这个

http://transatelectronics.com/store/...uband-lnb_P310...

最重要是，我是很有经验了，都没有法子用6ft在bc很稳定收看，所以不敢说6ft可以,因为我可以，你不见得可以，怕你真的下本买了，搞不出来，上来说我

8ft应该没有问题，估计一定就能lock, 同时需要注意一下city by law，很多city有关于卫星电视dish size limit...
我在的city是从地面到顶部不能超过2.7米，所以...

还有看看satellite angle, 看看前面有没有东西阻挡，etc别把一个8ft的大家伙买来报废

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作者: drchao

谢谢老大指引. 看来我暂时只有先放弃尝试了, 这个size似乎没处放. 今天看到这个二手的10 Foot Mesh Satellite Dish - $60. 货主就在您摆渡过来的码头附近. 只是不知道方不方便运回去. http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/ele/11...

如果有空间和city law允许bud还是可以玩玩得，就是很占地方，mesh一般是4或者6 piece,如果有truck还是可以运的，但是不太容易mount, 因为是polar mount, 比station的bud难，一个人不太容易搞定. 我一个月前放弃了一个，太大了，3米呀...

像温哥华这种人口密度大的城市，3米的bud太惹眼，怕city law不允许

价格不错，如果是prime focus最多2.4M差不多要300刀, commercial的prime focus就贵的离谱了...2.4M加上mount也有3米多高了，也很大，我怕如果你在vancouver或者richmond，burnaby这个size还是大了...

你可以去satelliteguys.us去读读帖子，然后观望一下...没必要这么急。。。

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昨天不小心动了锅，结果都看不到了，sign...ground mount sucks ^.^

晚上又要搞了

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作者: FireROR

俺给大家提个醒.absentror他是实在没事干.不折腾这个就只能......

大家有正经事的别学他啊...

haha, fire同学是除了房子就是孩子，还有...

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作者: FireROR

俺就是一安装的...票友都算不上.本着便宜/省事的原则.花那么多钱+时间就整出7个台,俺不干.反正还有的看.俺就不信那么多FTA用户拿着花花绿绿的票子.他N3还能不被破解..嘿嘿

后院有那大地方...俺做个deck,拿个笔记本找个座位一坐.来个hd的movie一放.美人小酒....看着absent...

嘿嘿，这是乐趣，我倒是挺享受的...

最近突发奇想，想自己diy个bud...还在设计中...:

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作者: zhaor

现在能看吗？稳定吗？各位专家建议是再观望一会儿还是现在可以入手？不知道sonicview的internet hub什么时候出，有消息吗？

基本稳定，但是还是观望一下，谁知道5月底会怎么样

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作者: tony

请问这个 sonicview ihub 需要无流量限制的高速网吗？我现在的网速大概是 2 MB/s (Bell Sympatico)，但是有每月 20 GB的流量限制。我是这方面的菜鸟，去年 10 月才装了两个 sonicview 360 premier，楼上一个，楼下一个。现在一个中文台也看不到（...

Sonicview ihub is still rumor..no one knows yet

Kbox now opens all Chinese channels

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作者: tony

Thanks for your reply.

For those network hubs (whatever iHub or KBOX K-Hub), do I have to have unlimited internet volume from the service provider?

IKS (ICS) or something else, for FTA box that have network module, does not need much internet bandwidth, it's not IPTV, it's not p2p TV, it's sharing subscription. You box need to connect to the card server regularly to get authenticated, it's very minimum impact on your network, about 4-5k...

Simply speaking, you only need a 24/7 available internet to watch TV, but it add barely nothing to your internet volumn, you can add more overhead to your network by browsing 'chinasmile' than to the Card server

---当然你的锅要对着你要看的卫星，这点很重要,怕有些同志买了box，没有对星，就开始问，怎么看不到^.^

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关于kbox，我用了2个月，基本稳定，昨天所有中文台都有了

几个还在测试种的安徽/重庆/深圳没有，其他的全部有了，想买的，等不及的可以考虑

自己做决定了，风险一定有，价格也不便宜，自己看着办了

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作者: tony

Are those chinese channels still on the Anik 118.7? Thanks...

Yes

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作者: creativeccc

这边的新时代和城市电视都有么？KBOX现在大概卖多少$?

tHANKS

Kbox does not support BV

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作者: Ellesmeer

C/P

S.U.N.S

This is NOT a sub card share.

Yes they use "cards" and a "card server/ handler" but they do NOT use subbed cards.

as a wise ma...

It's for sure a sub card share, if it's not, PPV would be open already... Also why they shut down their server for almost a week, while their dealer was 'checked' in GTA...why run away like chicken... I hate Team Nfusion spread rumors, and make false statement... Evidence is there that they use Sub share, and they still try to hide the truth... ^.^

I have nfusion, it's card share from the day one....kbox same thing...Card Sharing or not, let end-user knows, then it's their decision to buy it or not...

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作者: 2211

KBOX K1 PLUS 现在能看吗？用升级bin 吗？我看到有1.84的bin

upgrade is harmless ^.^

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作者: Ellesmeer

这个估计是他们的商业机密。

不是商业机密，原来是open source来着，欧洲很早就有这个了...国内的viaaccess2*, id2都破解都是card sharing, 关于qbox/dreambox的card sharing plugin很多...

Nfusion/kbox都是基于那些做的extension或者改写了一下，没有什么机密，比n3的real hack容易多了...

大家读这个帖子就知道了，其实很简单...

主要是如果用户过多，一个card server就会出现freeze...现在kbox的ZeeTV就是印度人看板球的channel就freeze, 就是用户过多的原因，所以如果用的人多了,kbox会怎么样，鬼知道...

我还是以测试为目的，关于kbox还是老话，基本稳定，但是由于最近用户增加很快，所以server开始down了...

Card sharing is a method by which independent receivers obtain simultaneous access to a pay television network, using one legitimate conditional access subscription card.

Typically, the legitimate card is attached to a personal computer or Dreambox which is connected to the Internet, and is configured to provide the legitimately decrypted control word to other receivers who request the information.

This decrypted control word is then used to decode an encrypted conditional access service, as though each other receiver were using its own subscription card.

As technology has made the security of smartcards in conditional access systems increase, card sharing has become a more popular method of pirate decryption. Much of the development of card sharing hardware and software has taken place in Europe where national boundaries mean that home users are able to receive satellite television signals from many countries but are unable to legally subscribe to them due to licensing restrictions on broadcasters.

Because the length of the control word is so small (often 16 bytes), delivery of the control words over wide area networks to many different set top boxes is easily possible on a home internet connection.

This has sparked off the creation of sharing network groups, in which users can access the group by sharing their subscription cards with the group, and in turn, being capable of receiving the channels which all users' cards can decrypt, as though the user owned every single subscription card.

Other networks have also been created, whereby one server has multiple legitimate subscription cards connected to it. Access to this server is then restricted to those who pay the server's owner their own subscription fee.
Another use for card sharing has become apparent as Europe migrates from analog to digital TV. As the tv signal turns digital, a digital set top box is needed for each TV in the household. Each set top box normally needs to have its own smart card in order to be able to decrypt premium channels.

Most pay-tv providers (but not all) offer extra subscription cards to subscribers for a reduced fee compared to the original first card. The extra cards usually come with more restrictions than the first card, such as certain channels excluded from being decrypted by any card except the (more expensive) first one. This practice is mostly dictated by the content providers (tv networks) and poses a problem from a consumer rights perspective, as the subscribers are essentially forced to paying for the same channels twice, whereas in the analog world the channels would be unlocked on every TV in the household with only one fee.

In order to avoid paying for the same content twice, many subscribers use card sharing to share their single smartcard among all the receivers in their households, arguing that it is just fair use. This practice can in some cases mean a breach of the contract between the subscriber and the content provider.

It is however not an illegal activity, since the subscriber pays for the smartcard and the smartcard is only used within the subscriber's own household.

Card sharing has caused major concern to the conditional access subscription card manufacturers, and their respective pay-tv companies, since virtually every encryption system can be shared, allowing unauthorised access. Unlike the hacking of smart cards, card sharing is relatively new, thanks to the recent increase in home internet speeds.

Conditional access providers therefore have few counter measures to combat its use. One such method, used by several providers, is to greatly increase the frequency of changing the control word, used to decode the channel. With changing occurring as frequently as once every 5 seconds, this puts extra stress onto the subscription cards processor, meaning that clients are frustrated by short, but frequent, missed viewing, making viewing possible, but with extreme inconvenience. In response to this, card sharing servers have appeared that caches control words in order to prevent overloading of the smartcards processor if the same code word is requested more than once.

The future of card sharing is unknown, because it is equally unclear how widespread its use is. Many conditional access providers may see it unworthy to produce new cards to send to all subscribers, as their manufacturing costs are too high. Most probably also realize that and the additional "security" will eventually be circumvented anyway.

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作者: tomgod

谁知道D家的转N3到底转到哪里了？118都干掉了？110呢？还有多少个没转的，这如果还拖来拖去的我干脆把对118那口锅转向110得了。

Why turn it? Just buy a holder for 4 buck and lnb for 15 buck and add 110 ^.^

http://transatelectronics.com/store/...-dual-lnb_P523
http://transatelectronics.com/store/...t-bracket_P234