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旧 Nov 2nd, 2008, 00:29   只看该作者   #41
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旧 Nov 2nd, 2008, 00:31   只看该作者   #42
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美国车的重量是肯定的,一般美系轿车都有个3700磅左右,大点的都4000多磅,合金少钢铁多,碰撞中还是占优势的
十多年前的大哥大,在防身方面比现在的手机也强太多了.....
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旧 Nov 2nd, 2008, 00:32   只看该作者   #43
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我的羚羊两边屁股已经被LP不知什么时候全给蹭花了, 好深的几十道, 真TM心疼啊! 估计快轮到前脸了. 我现在能做的就是告诉LP: 蹭哪儿都行, 别蹭其它车, 成不?
用Impala蹭宝马奔驰最值了
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旧 Nov 2nd, 2008, 01:25   只看该作者   #44
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旧 Nov 2nd, 2008, 01:36   只看该作者   #45
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muscle car......
我是说不买没说不喜欢
什么saleem, challenger, camaro之类的看着很爽, 就连老corvette开着也能很爽
但是让我自己花银子买一台估计我还是会买个宝马保时捷之类的...
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旧 Nov 2nd, 2008, 01:37   只看该作者   #46
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有事问你--你哪里买royal purple sychromax manual transmission fluid?
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旧 Nov 2nd, 2008, 13:21   只看该作者   #47
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日本和欧洲的车商对豪华的定义似乎是:把内置弄得花里胡哨,冰箱电视全弄上,就算是豪华了。可惜他们的车都做得那么小!实在太小了!奥迪轿车的旗舰A8才5062mm,还不如现在美国中型Impala (5091mm)大呢!宝马7系长度才5179mm,比起凯迪拉克DTS(5273mm)差得远!更不用和Crown...
哈哈哈,我估计是人家麻烦你自己也麻烦,你一辆车恐怕得占人家三个趴车位,在大街上你都没有办法掉头。
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旧 Nov 2nd, 2008, 13:40   只看该作者   #48
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哈哈哈,我估计是人家麻烦你自己也麻烦,你一辆车恐怕得占人家三个趴车位,在大街上你都没有办法掉头。
所以欧洲只适合旅游,而不适合像我这样的人居住:没了大排量的美国大车和burger king以及Tim Hortons的甜点,日子还怎么过啊?!

左看右看还是北美好啊,人口稀疏,土地广袤,道路宽阔,物质富庶。开烦了大轿车就开大皮卡,开烦了大皮卡就开大SUV。。。。。还可以养超级大狗狗

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旧 Nov 2nd, 2008, 19:38   只看该作者   #49
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对300C有个印象就是Top Gear里杰里米给他的评价:it feels like
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美国这些旗舰车设计的出发点是inter state cruiser.所以宽大舒适是第一位的。操纵性吗,在美国这个地光人稀的地方还真不是什么太大的问题。
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旧 Nov 2nd, 2008, 19:47   只看该作者   #50
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我说的仅仅是轿车系列,皮卡系列我是想另开一个帖子谈论的。其实皮卡系列最能代表美国文化,美国也的确是皮卡做得最好的国家。日欧车商的皮卡做的都不如美国人,比如Toyota Tundra,比Ford F150差很远。
这到不好说,就好像买哈雷摩托车的人买的是什么?是个最好的摩托还是某种象征?后来冒似最佳皮卡是本田的。一旦日本人明白了,想作了,美国人的东西就悬了。mini van, suv, pick up无不如此。好在汽车不仅仅是汽车而且是文化,要不美国车造就万劫不复了。
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旧 Nov 2nd, 2008, 20:04   只看该作者   #51
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所以欧洲只适合旅游,而不适合像我这样的人居住:没了大排量的美国大车和burger king以及Tim Hortons的甜点,日子还怎么过啊?!

左看右看还是北美好啊,人口稀疏,土地广袤,道路宽阔,物质富庶。开烦了大轿车就开大皮卡,开烦了大皮卡就开大SUV。。。。。还可以养超级大狗狗
我觉得开大轿车和开大SUV的差距可能不会是一点半点,光开烦了是不行的。
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这到不好说,就好像买哈雷摩托车的人买的是什么?是个最好的摩托还是某种象征?后来冒似最佳皮卡是本田的。一旦日本人明白了,想作了,美国人的东西就悬了。mini van, suv, pick up无不如此。好在汽车不仅仅是汽车而且是文化,要不美国车造就万劫不复了。
日本人造不好皮卡,他们没有这个地理环境和实战经验,造出来的净是些pickup that drives like a car。比较丰田Tundra和福特F-150就知道了,Tundra威猛些而且重量比F-150大得多,可惜各方面设计缺陷很多,根本不能用于恶劣的工作环境:比如前方tow hooks的位置,后方cab的抗震性能,以及bumper的用料等等。
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我觉得开大轿车和开大SUV的差距可能不会是一点半点,光开烦了是不行的。
SUV视野好,安全性好,冬季不吃亏。可惜重心高容易roll over,不能向轿车那样随意切弯和power slide。
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旧 Nov 2nd, 2008, 20:41   只看该作者   #54
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SUV视野好,安全性好,冬季不吃亏。可惜重心高容易roll over,不能向轿车那样随意切弯和power slide。
说那些都没有,关键只有一个字:钱。还有四个字:工作需要。如果你上有老下有小,就一般移民来说,多少钱都不够花的 ---- 国内有后台的除外。
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这到不好说,就好像买哈雷摩托车的人买的是什么?是个最好的摩托还是某种象征?后来冒似最佳皮卡是本田的。一旦日本人明白了,想作了,美国人的东西就悬了。mini van, suv, pick up无不如此。好在汽车不仅仅是汽车而且是文化,要不美国车造就万劫不复了。
你说反了。美国感觉到威胁的时候,日车没有生存的余地。10年的经济衰退就是被美国人玩残的。我不是吹捧美国,但是这是事实,就一个资源问题,日本人的喉咙就被人卡着,人家什么时候想收拾你就收拾你。要美国车万劫不复,你把日本人想的太强大了。
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旧 Nov 2nd, 2008, 21:10   只看该作者   #56
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这到不好说,就好像买哈雷摩托车的人买的是什么?是个最好的摩托还是某种象征?后来冒似最佳皮卡是本田的。一旦日本人明白了,想作了,美国人的东西就悬了。mini van, suv, pick up无不如此。好在汽车不仅仅是汽车而且是文化,要不美国车造就万劫不复了。
我感觉日本企业文化使管理层和工人结合成一个集团,而美国的文化则是管理和工人对立,工人搞工会反击,体制决定日本企业更有竞争力

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旧 Nov 2nd, 2008, 21:17   只看该作者   #57
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我感觉日本企业文化使管理层和工人结合成一个集团,而美国的文化则是管理和工人对立,工人搞工会反击,体制决定日本企业更有竞争力
美国企业的工会势力的确很讨厌,虽说没有工会不行,可是工会势力太大反而不利于企业的发展。通用所欠下的这些债务,一大部分就是在工会压迫下所需对工人交纳的各项福利待遇,退休金和补贴等等。

工人在企业有危难的时候应该为企业这个大家着想,这一点日本人基本做到了。美国企业的中下层工人基本无视自身企业的存亡,反正这家垮了换那家,一天8小时,干完就走人,哪里挣钱还不都一样的心理。
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旧 Nov 2nd, 2008, 21:42   只看该作者   #58
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你说反了。美国感觉到威胁的时候,日车没有生存的余地。10年的经济衰退就是被美国人玩残的。我不是吹捧美国,但是这是事实,就一个资源问题,日本人的喉咙就被人卡着,人家什么时候想收拾你就收拾你。要美国车万劫不复,你把日本人想的太强大了。
我没有说美国就悬了,只是说美国的东西,更具体的说,美国的车就悬了,说实话,我不太相信能造出世界上顶极越野车,拉力赛冠军车的国家造不出好的皮卡,缺的只是对这个市场的理解而已,二田早期的迷你万可以说是惨不忍睹,现在呢?

另外你说的都是些盘外招。不能说不对,但就车论车,美国人这么玩下去就是个死。而且会死的很难看。
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旧 Nov 2nd, 2008, 22:14   只看该作者   #59
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Ford Crown Victoria, Ford Taurus

至于皇冠维多利亚,唉,不好多说,这车实在是有些年头了,够格当恐龙了。特点?除了大还是大,怎么就那么大?!5米4的长度谁能比?很难找到比它再大的轿车。都21世纪了,此轿车竟然还是BOF结构----4061磅的重量,我的妈呀!警察系列之...
Grand Marquis买得到吧,跟Crown Victoria有什么区别啊?看着挺像的。
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Grand Marquis买得到吧,跟Crown Victoria有什么区别啊?看着挺像的。
Grand Marquis和Lincoln Towncar还是可以买到的,这三者都是Panther平台生产的,基本机械结构都一样,所以被称为 “玩伴”(panther playmates)。内置不太一样,Grand Marquis比Crown Vic好些。

最终,三兄弟各奔前程,Crown Vic成了警车,Lincoln Towncar成了出租,而Grand Marquis则成了老头车。
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