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Exclamation 你的悲哀还是我的悲哀 ?

你的悲哀还是我的悲哀 ?

couplechina@yahoo.com coupleonline@yeah.net 王靖韬

“夫妻在线”占尽天时、地利、人和,但王靖韬至今还是不能从网上挣一分钱,真是匪夷所思。
天时
2005年是几十万中国移民落地加拿大10周年
互联网进入中国10周年(1995- 2005)的历史时机

地利
蒙可顿 已经连续被Canadian business 杂志评为最佳商业城市。
蒙可顿亦被Chatelaine 杂志评为 10 佳居住地之一。
在边远省份中,蒙可顿也无疑是加拿大六个边远省份中综合条件最好的地区。
同样,如果站在全球市场的角度看,蒙可顿(Moncton)更是做北美、欧洲生意跨国公司的首选地。

人和
“夫妻在线”10年风雨同舟、相濡以沫,过着快乐、健康的生活。

王靖韬想知道,为什么
媒体
可以大肆渲染移民跳楼;
可以给“赚人眼泪”的文章评奖;
可以在“移民定居小城镇的利益”引经据典:“据一月九日本市英文“星报”报导,一对四年前从印度来加移民,男的有化学工程学位,女的有电脑软件发展专业经验,最近,双双在滑铁炉找到了工作”
可以捧政客的臭脚;
但不愿报道“夫妻在线”:
没有专业、没有任何特殊背景、没进过新东方、没在国外镀过金、没有赶上“好时候”(比如 Java 热)的“夫妻在线”,照样笑傲“艰难大”;
我俩是蒙克顿第一对先把工作辞了,再找工作的中国大陆移民(其它人均是先找到工作再搬过来);
在一分钱也挣不到的情况下,我们仍然为移民提供各种咨询,语音文字。
http://members.fortunecity.com/couple/canada/index.htm


记者(妓者?)
只采访能提供卡迪拉克接送,顺峰饭局的“成功人士”?

欧美留学精英
可以坐视自己的同胞---中国新移民苦苦挣扎,也不去成立个“加拿大偏远地区中国新移民工作基金”,却热衷于海啸拍卖?

新移民
可以给移民公司交几千美金;
可以当工薪太空人;
可以跳楼;
可以在几个大城市里来回流窜;
可以花交通费去听“成功人士”煽呼;
可以转变观念去打累脖工;
但不可以从盲目落地多伦多吸取教训,转变观念花几块钱向已经在中小城市立足人士请教,走出多伦多;

媒体
可以登各种八卦新闻;
但不可以刊登“夫妻在线的网络营销实验”
http://auction1.taobao.com/auction/0...d38fe0aa.jhtml
http://auction1.taobao.com/auction/0...a4b1f57e.jhtml
“夫妻在线的网络营销实验”转载寥寥无几,无人喝彩,木子美的网络日记铺天盖地;

网站
可以继续一窝蜂在拍卖网站、搜索引擎、网络游戏趟浑水,也不愿开发“老人护理中介网站”这最后一个金矿。
http://members.fortunecity.com/coupl...iver/index.htm

出版社
可以花30万元买断《美丽脸蛋长大米》,但不可以花 7万投标《携手闯天下,混在加拿大》?
http://auction1.taobao.com/auction/3...663a4658.jhtml


这就是有“四大发明”后代中国人的水准?
这就是各类精英的共识?


王靖韬现在真的很后悔,为什么
不办一个培训学校呐?
推出个“无成本学习法”
“对于在本机构有一定工作时间的学员,可以办理Lay-off,成功地领到EI,申请政府所有的培训费,保证Cover学费,保证工作!
这是低收入移民家庭的福音,通过这项学习,获得政府资助、学校资助、校友帮助、老师帮助及社会各界支持,最终能够找到工作,王靖韬郑重承诺:保证不花您的钱,即获北美真正的高薪工作!”

不成立一个找工中介结构?
为移民抓蚯吲,摘西红柿牵线搭桥呐

不做房地产经纪
把你套牢,我好五年退休。


不用身体写作呐
把男的空挡补上,这里洋妞儿可是货源充足。



我很遗憾我成为不了丹柯,因为我有老婆需要我帮一把,我有父亲需要我去进孝。
我的妻子问我,老公,结婚都十年了,你什么时候能发啊?
我的父亲问我,你什么时候能回来看我?(我 2000 年 8 月出来后,因为自己没挣出机票钱的缘故,一直不好意思回去,但没入籍这个挡箭牌也不能使一辈子)
我妹妹说,你回去看爸的钱我可以给你出。
我无言以对。
我不知道我还能在“孤独、失败、屈辱”的废墟上还能挺立多久。
但王靖韬不下地狱,谁下地狱?
王靖韬不挺身而出,谁挺身而出?


我吃饱了撑的,弄那门子创新、开拓?
我干什么就不能唯利是图,急功近利呐?

继续在几个大城市,几个赢利模式里拼个你死我活多有意思,到中小城市开辟新的生存空间,在网络上开辟新的赢利模式有这个必要吗?

这种悲哀还要延续多久?
这是你的悲哀还是我的悲哀 ?

王靖韬
于 2005 年春节前
蒙可顿

文章可随便转载,但请不要去掉电子邮件,多谢合作。
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旧 Jan 25th, 2005, 11:07   只看该作者   #2
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I admire your guy's a lot. Maybe you move your eye away from online business model. As I can see, your guy are very asserverative. I bet that you can become good sales people. How about online advertising sales ? Good sales can make better money than telemarketing.

You can also e-mail me at rabbitjessy2004@yahoo.ca to discuss other opportunity.
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很悲哀,for both sides.

恕俺直言,中国人还是以谦逊为美德的。有时,过于直白的功利心会使人忘之怯步。就个体而言(不知媒体),明知会受惠,也会辗转不安。何况在未来的一切还是未知数的情况下。

说句真心话,俺是很敬佩您二位的。要不是先生不情愿到边远城市,俺是差一点就追随您二位的脚步了。

坚持就是胜利!与您二位共勉。
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旧 Jan 25th, 2005, 12:10   只看该作者   #4
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说一个好像没有关系的事情:

超市A,超市B,大家各自都有需要进货甲,进价比如是$1,彼此相安无事,有天A自己从国内弄个一个整柜甲来,除了自己卖,还想以$0.9卖给B,但是B宁愿从批发商C那里进$1的也不进A的货,再过了些日子,B自己也从国内进了整柜甲,结果导致市场上甲严重过剩,价格急剧下跌。

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不被“社会”承认,肯定是自己某些方面需要改进,也许是具体的营销策略,也许是其他,希望“社会”改变那不可能
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旧 Jan 25th, 2005, 15:47   只看该作者   #6
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你想赚钱没赚到,当然是你的悲哀,不要什么事都往社会找根源.

你所谓的天时地利人和,只要家庭和睦的移民也占了.蒙克顿自然有好的地方,每个城市也会有各自的优点,每个人的选择自然有自己的道理.而每次你的文章一味吹嘘边缘地区的好处,让人觉得有失偏颇.

你们那蒙克顿的经历也叫发达,有点让人忍俊不住. 不过你们夫妻俩的乐观精神,我一向是比较欣赏的.一家之言,仅供参考.
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旧 Jan 25th, 2005, 19:17   只看该作者   #7
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坐飞机和玩滑翔机的出发点是不一样的,虽然都是飞上天。
后者可能不需要你的服务也能过得不错。
从商业讲,销售目的越明显,不清楚的人越退却。
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旧 Jan 25th, 2005, 20:41   只看该作者   #8
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默认 要想帮别人成功,必须你们自己先已成功。

那样才有说服力。
如果你连回家的机票都赚不够,
去你蒙可顿的人是否也是只能温饱?
别人怎么不可能望而却步?
现在的商品销售讲包装,你们包装好了吗?
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旧 Jan 26th, 2005, 20:48   只看该作者   #9
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宣传不够, 我那时候要是知道就好了。 我敢说知道的没几个人。


实例不多, 你要是能多几种类型, 多一点成功案例, 我看有很多人会买账。


别说中国人不识货, 要是真有利可图, 早就抢上了。

未明,为明,为名,未名,威名
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旧 Jan 26th, 2005, 21:10   只看该作者   #10
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浇点冷水

小城市的缺点(我的切身体会TORONTO--MISSISSAUGA):公车不方便(大冬天30-40 MIN 一班,还没具体时刻表), 买中国货不方便(华人超市少少)。 找不到玩友(太远 人不愿意来去)。

除非你拿到OFFER 先,有车先,有非常好的亲戚朋友先,否则三思而后行。

春天到了,夏天不远了,
向着远去的冬天挥挥手。。。
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旧 Jan 26th, 2005, 21:59   只看该作者   #11
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默认

其实你们的idea是很好的,我关注了很久。
我觉得有一个主要问题,你可能忽略了:
孩子的教育问题:
中国人这么重视孩子,去了小城市,教育能得到保障吗?这是大家都会考虑的问题。虽然你那可能有很好的学校,但是怎么能得到中国人的认可?
至于媒体的关注问题,这没办法,这与人气有关。
还有好多别的问题,比如Joe为什么跑到多伦多来了哪?他原来在卡尔加利获得好好的,.
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旧 Jan 26th, 2005, 23:07   只看该作者   #12
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其实你们的idea是很好的,我关注了很久。
我觉得有一个主要问题,你可能忽略了:
孩子的教育问题:
中国人这么重视孩子,去了小城市,教育能得到保障吗?这是大家都会考虑的问题。虽然你那可能有很好的学校,但是怎么能得到中国人的认可?
至于媒体的关注问题,这没办法,这与人气有关。
还有好多别的问题,比如Joe为什么跑到多伦多来了哪?他原来在卡尔加利获得好好的,.
好像Joe说过他从来没去过卡尔加里。
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旧 Jan 26th, 2005, 23:10   只看该作者   #13
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小蒙县那地方就是混成呼风唤雨,到了多伦多也不过是屎壳郎,何况你两位还远没能在蒙呼风唤雨呢!

其实你俩在多伦多的工作也算不错,英文也佳,现在到了那里年余,有什么实质的进步吗?你俩在那究竟成功了什么??请自问。要说小镇,多伦多附近100公里内,比蒙强的多了去了(工作机会、教育、购物、交通),何必不辞辛苦跑几千公里呢?加拿大华人110万,多伦多就有40多万。没个人的想法都千奇百怪。但绝大部分都会很重视自身的继续教育、子女的教育、父母的生活方便,仅这些,就不可能去蒙可顿。

再说简单一点,你俩是北京人。假设青海省蒙可顿县有跟加拿大蒙可顿同等的条件(房子10万人民币一栋,也有青海大学,也有众多CALL CENTRE的工作机会),请问你们会去吗?(青海的朋友别砸转头)

而且你俩也太天真了,以为大媒体的记者帮你报道一下,就有数以万计的新移民涌去蒙可顿。如果是这样,你花点钱,搞有偿新闻,让STAR、SUN报道一下你们夫妻在线不就得了吗?

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还是和我一样开个店算了,开个玩笑

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说一个好像没有关系的事情:

超市A,超市B,大家各自都有需要进货甲,进价比如是$1,彼此相安无事,有天A自己从国内弄个一个整柜甲来,除了自己卖,还想以$0.9卖给B,但是B宁愿从批发商C那里进$1的也不进A的货,再过了些日子,B自己也从国内进了整柜甲,结果导致市场上甲严重过剩,价格急剧下跌。

如果我是B经理我也不会进A的货,因为货源不稳定。很有可能等B手中的甲卖完了,问A要不到,问原来的供货商要也要不到,原因是原来的供货商因为B不继续从他那里进货而减少了进货。进谁的货,价格有时并不是决定因素,当老板的也不会一时贪小便宜。
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好像Joe说过他从来没去过卡尔加里。
没有读过JOE的《我的奋斗》?
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没有读过JOE的《我的奋斗》?
JOE写过《我的奋斗》吗?我只读过他写的一年了、两年了、三年了、四年了,一年上一蹬,蛮谷物人心的。今年的写好了吗?
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不成功大概是因为方向不对吧?即使大家都知道保险是个好东西,还不是对卖保险的都心存戒备,因为看不到即得的利益嘛。我是觉得COUPLE夫妇这么齐心合力还不如去做些实实在在的生意--一家之言。
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Talking come on!

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好像Joe说过他从来没去过卡尔加里。
你好歹也是个senior member 乐,不知道Joe 小时候的丑事?
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默认

Having read your post, I'd like to say something from my past work experience, which might help you see things from a different perspective.

I really appreciate the efforts and passion you've put behind your business. However, you overlooked something really vital in marketing your business: Understanding your customers and their need, be it met or unmet. That's what we call “Marketing Myopia”. I haven't got the chance to go through again your business approach, though I read it long before, my feeling is that you didn't do enough research to lay a solid foundation for your business. When I was still in the field of marketing, Brand Management to be precise, I had this long and gruelling experience of conducting marketing research all over China. Researches including but not limited to the understanding of consumer demographic and psychographic info, test marketing, result measurement, etc. (I only list the researches that are relevant to your case. There are bunches of research in brand equity, advertising, channel management, etc.)

You must segment the market and identify your target. When you were conceiving your business plan/approach, did you segment the immigrant market? I mean, like people from IT field, people with sales background, people with English proficiency, etc. After doing segmentation, you probably would like to understand the demographic and psychographic of your identified target market. Do the IT people like to forgo their profession? Or are they willing to? Do the Sales people have good language skill to talk over the consumer and convince them to buy things from them? Do people with English proficiency have other skills that can help them land a job? How old are those people? What are their expectations toward life or career in Canada? Do they have kids? The list can go on forever. After doing this, you would probably decide to serve a group of people with intermediate English ability, not overestimating their capabilities, down-to-earth, not having a kid yet, blah blah blah… And then you would ask yourself: WHAT DO THEY WANT? We can’t just sell something that we think it’s useful or marketable to people who really don’t need it. That’s sales instead of marketing.

Life in Canada is tough for new immigrants, and sometimes, it’s a matter of survival. To make it worse, a lot of people have painted a rosy picture in their heads and refused to face the reality. AND, you don’t have, until now, a successful case to help promote yourself or your business. With minimal awareness, you can’t expect people to put their life in your hands.

To digress a little from the topic, I’d like to know how “successful” you were when you were in China. (The reason why I quote the word “successful” is that the definition of “success” always varies to different people.) My observation is: Successful people will be successful wherever they are. It's the mindset that determine your future, instead of education level, chance, network… So if you are successful, don’t worry, keep up the good work, you will see the dawn of better days very soon.

I'm not preaching. Just my two cents. But good luck to you in your future endeavours.
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