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旧 Aug 23rd, 2011, 22:39     #1
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放大器的输入电平指的都是所谓“灵敏度”,就是当得到额定输出电压或功率时的输入电平,对于增益可变的放大器,比如带音量控制的前级,是在音量放在最大时的指标。所以,你前级的输入电平可以用它的最大输出电压减去最高增益很容易的算出来。你的前级最大输出电压是9Vrms,相当于+21dbu,如果音量最大时放大器增益是10db(我猜的,具体查手册),那么输入灵敏度就是+11dbu。

至于过载问题,信号一进入前级,遇到的第一个电路就是电阻衰减器,衰减器没有过载问题。输入电平的DB数直接加上前级面板显示的音量DB数,就得到前级输出电平的DB数。例如输入是+4dbu balanced,音量设定在-40DB,平衡输出就得到-36dbu 的电平。

如果输入的信号电平超过了前级的灵敏度电平而音量又扭的太大,放大器的输出级的确会过载。但是很明显,过载是可以用适当的音量设定来避免的。
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不尽然, 我在用HUGO的SPL前级, 音源是DAC2, 耳机是AKG501,声音调到7,8点钟位置,换成+4,声音变薄,动态不好,换成-10就正常了.

我怀疑dac2和wyred stp se的搭配,是同一个问题
耳机监听输出有失真,不见得线路输出一定也有失真。

你说的SPL前级我不了解,但一般有耳机监听输出的设备,必然会有专门的监听音量旋钮,以适应不同阻抗和灵敏度的耳机,这个旋钮跟主音量旋钮如果配合不当,监听放大器有可能被驱动进入过载保护工作区,这时不管主通道的信号有无失真,耳机里面都会听到失真。这个SPL前级有没有介绍和spec可以链上来看看?
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有道理,不过我听耳机的时候,主音量旋钮是打到最小的,应该主音量只是控制喇叭
明白了,原来它的耳机监听是输入监听,跟喇叭通道音量无关,你前面讲的“音量旋钮放在7、8点钟”说的是耳机音量旋钮,对吧?

参考了hugoo贴的厂家说明书,现在我只能大胆怀疑你设备使用上可能有不妥。DAC2的输出电平对于2Control的-10db设定来说可能太高。你觉得正常的耳机音量设定其实可能是不对的。要习惯把音量旋钮扭过12点来用,7、8点钟位置就得到足够音量说明输入电平过高。就是说,当你感觉输入灵敏度开关放在+4dBu位置时听觉上感到声音薄没动态,实际是因为音量旋钮开的不够大,没有得到足够的音量。

专业数字音源器材的平衡输出电平一般都在+10dBu以上,我不清楚DAC2里面是不是有象Benchmark DAC1那样内部有pad-down jumper switch,可以根据需要把输出电平衰减10、20、或30db,方便连接各种不同输入灵敏度的放大器,如果没有的话,对于-10dbV的输入灵敏度设定,这个电平的确是太高了,难怪你音量旋钮只开一点点。
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You could be right.

DAC2 has four different output level, adjusted by a rotary switch on back panel.

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The spec of max. input of 21.3dBu could mean two things: 1) it happens to be the same level as that of the max. output, therefore, the maxim input level at unity gain without introducing distortion from system overloading (the max. output level, by the way, is almost always determined by the voltage of the power supplies of the amplifier.), or 2) the maximum allowed input level without burning something up in the input stage circuit.

By putting the level switch on the preamp to -10dBV you give it 3.9 times as much amplification (or 11.8db) as you would to a +4dbu input, therefore, the maximum allowed input level is reduced accordingly by 3.9 times, or 11.8db.

There is nothing wrong by feeding a +4dBu signal into a -10dBV preamp in your case, as this is equivalent to feeding a +15.8dbu signal into a +4dbu input setting, still well under the maximum allowed input level. There will be no distortion from overloading, nothing is going to be burning up, either. The only problem is that you wont be able to use much of the range of the volume pot -- volume control can be coarse and erratic, tracking between channels can be poorer than it otherwise can be, and that you might not be getting as good a performance as would with a level matched system in terms of signal-noise ratio.

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嗯,好像看懂了。
那用个-10dBV的pre-amp去feed一个+4dBu的amp,会是什么结果?
这要看pre-amp的电压增益是多少和具体输入电平是多少。以SPL 2control为例,选用-10dBV灵敏度时,音量旋钮扭到最大,总增益是6.6+11.8=18.4dB (其中6.6是前级内部固定增益) 因为后级功放灵敏度是+4dBu, pre-amp输入端只要信号电平达到 4-18.4 = -14.4dBu,就可以让后级达到最大输出。或者说,当给前级注入+4dBu的信号,比如用DAC2设置于+4dBu@0dBFS,为了避免后级过载,音量旋钮要关小、让信号先衰减-18.4dB,也就是衰减掉88%.

这样的器材搭配比较恰当的用法是,DAC2设置在+4dBu @ 0dBFS,用2control的+4dBu输入,这样后级满输出时前级工作在0db增益附近。更好的用法是把DAC2设置在+7.2dBu @ 0dBFS,把SPL换成无源前级(或带buffer的无源前级),就完全避免了不必要的信号衰减和再放大。
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