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旧 Mar 24th, 2010, 11:29   只看该作者   #21
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Linux的界面再怎么做得像windows,也还是阳春白雪,只是看上去很美。工作上用它也基本上是telnet或远程xserver, 家用太麻烦了。
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即使在西方,linux也不流行。

我是个修电脑的,几年来拿来我这里修的电脑全都是Windows或者Mac,我从来没有遇到一个是用linux的。当然,拿电脑到店里修的一般都是不太懂电脑的人,大虾们当然都是自己修。

也就是说,多数不懂电脑的人不敢用linux。Linux is designed for professionals, 这是多大的一个制肘哦?

我自己偶尔也玩linux,那是有空时的一种消遣,从来没把他当回事,他仅仅是我的一件玩具。我所有的重要文件和程序,都不敢依赖linux。为什么呢?因为他总是处于不断重装的状态。不但版本多,技巧和程序5花8门,更重要的是,出了问题不知道该找谁。开源是一把双刃剑,免费是他最大的好处,但免费== 免责。有事时连可以给你打“补丁”的公司都找不到。这是他的第二个缺点。

再说就是硬件,在市面随便找个硬件,几乎不用担心,它必定designed for windows。但好像还没有见过盒面上印着designed for Ubuntu的。因此几乎每找一个硬件,都有必要先上网查一查,这个东西在Ubuntu上行得怎么样。这又是多么麻烦的一件事?

另外我想,暂时还没有玩家是能彻底放弃windows的吧?否则,如果有天在网上找到一个软件,没有linux版,岂不是很无奈?
http://system76.com

http://pcloshwdb.com

http://www.linuxcertified.com/linux_laptops.html

http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certificat.../?release=9.10

http://www.menza.org/random/ubuntusticker4.jpg

http://www.menza.org/random/ubuntusticker1.jpg
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旧 Mar 24th, 2010, 12:02   只看该作者   #23
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要家用linux,必须要call center技术支持,
但linux免费,有实力技术支持的,只有google一类的大公司,

所以技术支持角度看, 和windows竞争的,只有apple macos, linux还称不上对手
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旧 Mar 24th, 2010, 12:06   只看该作者   #24
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linux有很多优点,因此也总有试螃蟹的人。

你有没有了解过这两家公司,市场情况如何?好卖么?都什么人去买?

我告诉你的是我的亲身经验,你给我的是一串搜索结果,说有人在卖这个东西,这本身没有什么冲突。

你给我一台机器,我说的是机器里的常用硬件,你再找找?
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旧 Mar 24th, 2010, 12:12   只看该作者   #25
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联想不是也有linux版的么?其实冲着这个电脑没有windows版权,能卖得便宜点,买回来再自己换成windows的人很多。

这不能说明问题。
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旧 Mar 24th, 2010, 12:29   只看该作者   #26
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Linux 家用还刚刚开始.现在有很多开源项目都在促进Linux的家用化. 如果算Linux的嵌入式部分,家里用到Linux的东西已经非常多了.

我的工作是维护Linux系统.服务器市场上Microsoft已经被Linux超过很长时间.大家看到的绝大部分的网站都是LAMP系统.邮件服务器, DNS ... 也基本都是在Linux上跑.
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Linux 家用还刚刚开始.现在有很多开源项目都在促进Linux的家用化. 如果算Linux的嵌入式部分,家里用到Linux的东西已经非常多了.

我的工作是维护Linux系统.服务器市场上Microsoft已经被Linux超过很长时间.大家看到的绝大部分的网站都是LAMP系统.邮件服务器, D...
将来谁都不知道,但目前来说,服务器还是windows的天下:
http://www.idcun.com/blade/201003059305.html
http://blogs.computerworld.com/15675...st_the_desktop
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朋友是一公司的技术总监,他上任后第一件事就是全面否定linux server。我当时也很好奇,问是怎么回事。

他的话一针见血:“没有技术支持,出起事来我负不起这个责任,反正买软件有预算,不是我的钱。“

linux除非技术上有重大突破全面超越windows,否则最终可能只会流行于小型企业,不是因为好用,仅仅是要节省开支。
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朋友是一公司的技术总监,他上任后第一件事就是全面否定linux server。我当时也很好奇,问是怎么回事。

他的话一针见血:“没有技术支持,出起事来我负不起这个责任,反正买软件有预算,不是我的钱。“

linux除非技术上有重大突破全面超越windows,否则最终可能只会流行于小型企业,...
这个技术总监也是混事的。windows除了事情还不是要他拿话来说。Linux实际应用一样有专门的公司技术支持,要不就是公司内部有人支持。他以为买了windows就能有windows核心开发人员支持他么?做梦去吧。虽然买系统的钱不是他是公司出,但是老板对这种管理人员的考核标准有一条cut cost,他不帮老板节约钱就有能帮老板节约钱的取而代之。

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Not an accurate article
Submitted by Michael on March 4, 2010 - 11:22 A.M.

The IDC did not issue "a report about worldwide server use"...they issued a report on worldwide server SALES. There is a big difference. I bought my Dell laptop with Windows (forced to pay for something I wasn't going to use) and had to format it to install Linux. This is an example of how Microsoft made a SALE but it is not in USE.

What the IDC's report doesn't include is the servers sold without operating systems already installed as well as the servers that are purchased with Windows, then formatted and then installed with Linux.
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Thanks for this post. It
Submitted by Anonymous on March 5, 2010 - 2:23 P.M.

Thanks for this post.
It shows how ignorant this writer is.

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More Windows Needed Vs Less Linux Needed
Submitted by Anonymous on March 4, 2010 - 3:33 A.M.

Microsoft doesn't want to get into any game they can't make money at, same for Google or any other company, it's just business.

But it's also somewhat of a false comparison to compare Windows servers with Linux servers since you'd also have to really compare cost of more than just the OS, and how much you can do on one machine.

For example, the typical Windows server license is only for the OS, if you want Visual C++, IIS, SQL-Server, the cost is appreciably more. Same stack in Linux, with Apache,PHP,Perl,Python,MySQL= FREE.

So compare base OS, sure, but also consider MS is charging for EVERYTHING.

We had Windows Advanced Data Center Server and had to pay a lot of money for it, and it ran slow as mud on a 16-CPU machine. The cost for the complete stack of VC++, SQL-Server, and IIS was embarassing. When we flipped it into Linux it ran so much faster, and cost so much less. No magic math involved, Linux saved us so much money it was a company secret for a long time because the guys that bought it with Windows ADCS didn't want anyone to know what a waste it was. They would have been fired for wasting so much money on Windows when Linux outperformed and saved money.
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This Gralla guy treats both
Submitted by ubiquitous1980 on March 3, 2010 - 11:02 P.M.

This Gralla guy treats both *nix and windows users like a bunch of sea gulls. He throws some controversial information like a person throws a piece of food to sea gulls and watches us all crowd around, laughing as we fight and bicker. He is simply baiting us, can't you see?
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Preston the Windows Welfare Pimp
Submitted by carlleigh on March 3, 2010 - 6:51 P.M.

Without Linux users spending on or use of Windows from Microsoft might be down or even nill. What a hoot!

Lets kick Microsoft off the Welfare dole. It is time for Dell, HP, IBM, etc. to make their computers easily available without Windows....... and count them so!

I can't imagine telling someone that, "I work for or support Microsoft and feel proud about sales/revenues", knowing that a large percentage of the sales/revenue may come from what are Linux installs.
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Has anyone considered that's because of the performance aspect?
Submitted by Anonymous on March 3, 2010 - 1:41 P.M.

You say that Windows has three times as many servers as Linux out in the wild. However, if you consider that Linux servers outperform Windows servers by a factor of 10 to 1 (We've got tests at work that demonstrate that this is actually an understatement in some areas - specifically anything that is disk heavy, such as web, mail and database servers) then you see that this is actually likely because of the additional redundancy and performance aspects that are necessary to get Windows to match Linux performance...
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Revenue vs Installed units
Submitted by Anonymous on March 3, 2010 - 11:52 A.M.

"When it comes to revenue, Windows cleans up as well, with nearly $5.4 billion in revenue for the quarter, compared to a little over $1.9 billion in revenue for Linux."

Wait a moment...

Supposing that Linux and Windows are priced the same, that would mean that Windows was beating Linux by a margin of three-to-one.

"New research from IDC shows that it's not so: Windows beats Linux when it comes to servers by well over a three-to-one margin, as it has for at least a year."

Ah... so you are comparing Windows and Linux revenues... In my company we have hundreds of Linux boxes, and each one added zero to Linux revenue.

If you (conservatively) consider that 9 in 10 Linux installations are free, it would take ten times more Linux installations to reach the $1.9 figure.

And that supposing that the paid versions of Linux cost the same as Windows.

That means that Linux is beating Windows at least 3-to-1 in installed units.
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Comon guys...
Submitted by Anonymous on March 3, 2010 - 11:46 A.M.

Comon, its the truth. Mom and pops don't know anything about linux, and think computers are easy. They buy a server from dell, a wap and switch from Best Buy and think they are set. Then they serve out viruses the rest of their life.

Large business aren't much better. The educated ones will put linux at the perimeter, and MAYBE use it on their security systems. Let the power users use it on their desktops, but they are unsupported. For the most part the IT staff is lazy, uneducated (look at what passes for IT education today at your typical college) and want it to "just work" (read: don't want to work).

The condition of IT in our world (poor) and the condition of industry in general (poor) is because of this lazy, uneducated IT society. Its not going to change. We can thank Microsoft for that. They/We want computers to be like microwaves. Push one button and done. Only the educated want computers to be powerful tools.

Thats why we have some many H1B's and companys farming out all their work outside of the country (like Microsoft does). Yes, cost is a component, but the argument for H1B's and programming centers in India is that there is no one qualified in the U.S. Its crap like this that causes that. Even Gates went around to colleges about 10 years ago complaining about it and trying to change it by sponsoring whole buildings and departments dedicated to computer study. It didn't work. He gave up and went on to fight (real world) viruses and things like that. Americans want to be stupid. Then we complain "They took our jobs!" and that our economny is crashing.

This comment (ok, rant, manifesto, whatever), which will be buried, ignored, and slammed, is from a disgruntled IT Consultant with 22 years experience and a disappointed college professor with tenure at a large university who also guests at two small somewhat competing colleges, and a work-a-holic. Yes, an old guy with experience, history and still a little bit of passion. Not a newb like most commentors who started in IT 5-10 years ago because they heard it was an easy way to get rich with an MCSE.

And no, I will never come back to this article to read the responses (if any). I just felt like injecting a little real world truth during my down time.

Oh and I can also tell you from years of reading his crap, Preston Gralla is a windows fanboi (as the kids spell it lol). Unfortunately, he is representative of the world, and not wrong.
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Not that bad
Submitted by Rincewind on March 3, 2010 - 9:40 P.M.

Stupidity is evenly distributed, no matter if you are in India or USA. But perhaps it is prevalent among IT journalists and CEOs.
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Your comments belie the
Submitted by Anonymous on March 3, 2010 - 9:38 A.M.

Your comments belie the truth. You are a Linux bigot and a zealot like all the others.

I like my software to work as well. I also like the choice of software I want not limited by OS, that's why I use whatever works best for an application, not for an Operating System.

Remember, oh Linux zealot, Operating systems are only tools that allow the software to function. When software is not available for one operating system or the software is more suited for the end user on another, one should choose the best for the end user, not the operating system best fitted to one's own bigotry or religion. Your comment says you are a zealot unwilling to consider anything except Linux at the expense of the the final user.

Have fun in your world. Flexibility is a great thing.
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我装了CDLINUX,以为从此可以做任何事情了,先去Youtube试试吧。
一上Youtube,人家说,你的Browser太旧了,不支持,要用以下选择,我一看,只有FIREFOX是支持LINUX的,下载了新的FF,却不会安装。
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不要签名了。
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这个技术总监也是混事的。windows除了事情还不是要他拿话来说。Linux实际应用一样有专门的公司技术支持,要不就是公司内部有人支持。他以为买了windows就能有windows核心开发人员支持他么?做梦去吧。虽然买系统的钱不是他是公司出,但是老板对这种管理人员的考核标准有一条cut cost,他...
我估计他并不是真的要有什么真正的技术支持,而是出了事时有后面背锅的。例如他可以说:windows这个漏洞我们事前都不知道,已经联系Microsoft解决之中...
而电脑软件这点费用,则要看是谁当老板去想这个问题了。
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我估计他并不是真的要有什么真正的技术支持,而是出了事时有后面背锅的。例如他可以说:windows这个漏洞我们事前都不知道,已经联系Microsoft解决之中...
而电脑软件这点费用,则要看是谁当老板去想这个问题了。
以为老板都是傻瓜蛋,用“微软漏洞”就能塘塞过去?无论用什么系统,有事情99.99%都是工作人员办事不力不负责任造成的,老板精都得很,否则早被人家给涮下来了。
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以为老板都是傻瓜蛋,用“微软漏洞”就能塘塞过去?无论用什么系统,有事情99.99%都是工作人员办事不力不负责任造成的,老板精都得很,否则早被人家给涮下来了。
高见。
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我装了CDLINUX,以为从此可以做任何事情了,先去Youtube试试吧。
一上Youtube,人家说,你的Browser太旧了,不支持,要用以下选择,我一看,只有FIREFOX是支持LINUX的,下载了新的FF,却不会安装。
晕倒。
应该考虑装有自动软更新功能的Linux版本家用。比如“乌笨兔”。
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Not an accurate article
Submitted by Michael on March 4, 2010 - 11:22 A.M.

The IDC did not issue "a report abo...
他们和你一样支持linux,只是谁都拿不出数据来。
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他们和你一样支持linux,只是谁都拿不出数据来。...
我并非只是支持linux,所有os都支持。

文章的漏洞在于,只说上半句,故意忽略其他。有 “一中各表” 之嫌。
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我并非只是支持linux,所有os都支持。

文章的漏洞在于,只说上半句,故意忽略其他。有 “一中各表” 之嫌。
就好像说: “普通用户不懂linux,linux太难懂”

命题错误!

应该说: “未经培训的普通用户不懂电脑,电脑太难懂”

为什么?

因为: “普通用户不懂windows,windows太难懂”
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就好像说: “普通用户不懂linux,linux太难懂”

命题错误!

应该说: “未经培训的普通用户不懂电脑,电脑太难懂”

为什么?

因为: “普通用户不懂windows,windows太难懂”
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Linux的界面再怎么做得像windows,也还是阳春白雪,只是看上去很美。工作上用它也基本上是telnet或远程xserver, 家用太麻烦了。
为啥要像windows,就是因为windows好用。
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