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旧 Nov 18th, 2008, 21:46     #1
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默认 “气敛入骨”是何意?

如题。哪位大侠知道?谢过先了。
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旧 Nov 19th, 2008, 19:59     #2
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太极拳论“以心行气,务令沉着,乃能收敛入骨;以气运身,务令顺遂,乃能便利从心”

“气为使焉,神为主焉。神气收敛于内,内外融合为一,是为太极拳之体,将神气充溢于外,是为太极拳之用也。以体用分而言之,则脊骨为体,心为用;合之,则心肾相交,是为太极拳术之体用大全也。”

“以心行气者,所谓意到气亦到,意要沉着,则气可收敛入骨,并非格外运气也。以气运身者,所谓气动身亦动,气要顺遂,则身能便利从心”。


原文在这: http://www.bcmorning.com/bbs/read.php?tid=8708 , 有的我看不太懂,大家一起看看吧.
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旧 Nov 20th, 2008, 01:21     #3
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“气敛入骨”是一个过程?还是结果?或说是练拳的某一个阶段?我的感觉,既像过程又像结果,所以很迷茫。有人说过,打拳时没有 “气敛入骨”,就是花拳秀腿。

如果是过程,是不是就是练拳时要以心行气?如果是结果,那这个结果是到了练拳的哪个阶段?
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太早了,能玩这个太极就成了,懂内气的开合就能玩这个
qianqianann兄会玩这个吗?
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旧 Nov 20th, 2008, 01:31     #5
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我的体会是:练拳时周身是一气的,像一个由里向外膨胀的气球,这个膨胀或者说是棚劲的来源是骨骼,尤其是脊椎骨,是由脊椎向外延伸的。

气,这个字比较含糊的,有时候和意、劲混在一起,比如起势的气沉脚底,其实体会就是随着意念而劲落脚底。
对敛入骨的,我的体会是劲,也就是说劲源是骨骼的张力,而气或者说是...
小慧老师,人们常说"意到气到,气到劲到",这里的“气”与我们放松时的胀麻“气感”一样吗?
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旧 Nov 20th, 2008, 19:57     #6
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我还差点劲
不过可以告诉你“气”是实实在在的东西。
我相信“气”是实实在在的东西。曾有位前辈,让我的手接近他的手,就感觉有很强的静电,越近越强烈。我觉得,“气”应该是一种能量,外国人就是把“气”译成“Energy”的。
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不一样,这里的气就我的体会来说更接近-意-。意到的时候,棚劲自生。之所以加了个气,是因为意到了哪里,哪里就有感应。这个微妙的感应大概就是被称作-气-的原因。
是的,拳论也说,不练“气“,练气则滞。太极拳练的是“意“,意到了,气自然到。
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这个敛入骨,我体会的是练拳的某个阶段,在外人看来是有拳味,着着好像都很有气势。对自己来说是神意笼罩全身无处不在,身体无有凸凹处,棚劲遍布全身。或者说内外合。

在没达到这个阶段的时候,上下不随,内外不合,神意散乱。

别想气,想气则气滞。太极拳不需要练气功去辅助,气是在练的过程中相伴而生的。...
对,赞同小慧老师的观点。之前我的看法跟你一样,也是认为趋于练拳的某个阶段。但有位高人曾对我说,练拳要气敛入骨,不然,练一辈子都练不出来,只能是花拳秀腿。这下,我就迷糊了,听这意思,气敛入骨是方法啊。莫不是练太极拳,还有其他另外什么途径?故有此一问。
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你到这里找二水居士问问试一试。
http://www.wgwushu.net/bbs/forumdisp...d=4&sid=iDlxIS

咱俩合作的有关关节的放松方法收视率还挺高的:)
终于看完了我们俩合作的教学贴。恭喜老师桃李满天下,又帮助了许多拳友,像老师这样又有传承,又毫无保留交流相助的,真是不多,也是我们这些后学者之福。真希望我们习拳之人,能打破门规,互相交流,取长补短,这才是继承发扬光大传统功夫之希望。

关于 “气敛入骨”,你已做了很好的解答了,跟我原本的理解是一样的,有了老师的观点做后盾,我的心就踏实了,所以也没必要再去麻烦二水居士了。其实,上面我提到的那位高人,就是那篇文章的作者,从那一大篇述真中,我没能看懂 “气敛入骨”的意思,私底下我又问过,他说收敛入骨这个东西,真的很难用文字和语言来表述清楚,只有明白的手把手教才能搞懂。还是老师说的对,待到练到那个阶段时,自然就会明白是什么了。只要我们保持练的方向对头,剩下的就是练了。
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你说的高人是那位暮雨吗?如果是的话好像是我老乡 -- 天台暮雨不是? 你在哪里见到的?
对,但我们还没见过面,只是在网上聊过天。他是我老师的师兄,据我老师说,他的功夫在他们师兄弟当中是最好的。你也是上海人?莫非你们以前在上海见过面?

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天台暮雨不是天台人?
晕,原来你们不认识啊,他不是天台人。
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这位天台暮雨先生好像很神秘哦,
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没有,他处世比较低调。虽身怀真传绝活,但没有证书,没有奖状,没有头衔,有心恢复陈微明先生的致柔拳社,却感势单力薄。

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我对暮雨说的"手把手教能搞懂气敛入骨"表示怀疑. 个人认为在内气能在体内随意念走动之前无法体会.
我估计这个是表达上的问题,因为有些事是很难用一句话可以说清楚的。这是在网上聊天时,可能是为了少打几句话而说的。其实,我们大家练拳不是一天两天了,应该都知道,练拳是一个过程,这个过程中有许多环节,前一个环节是当前环节的因,当前环节是前一环节的果。同理,当前环节是下一环节的因,下一环节是当前环节的果。所以说,每个环节既是因又是果。所以"手把手教能搞懂气敛入骨"这句话,应该是说手把手地教,一步一步地练,最后才能气敛入骨。

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老兄能具体谈谈这个“暮雨”?也许我能帮他找到伙伴。叫什么?在哪?
经过征求作者本人的意见,我将会在这里做一些介绍,也会发一些拳照。

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不会吧? 你看摄影板块的照片天天都在发呢。估计是像练太极拳一样,发不出功力肯定不是功法的错误, 一定是自己没掌握要领。
被你踢一脚,功力就出来了,搞定了啦。
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老兄能具体谈谈这个“暮雨”?也许我能帮他找到伙伴。叫什么?在哪?
tjfan,我另外开了一个主题: http://www.chinasmile.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=382095,专门介绍暮雨老师,以及与他师承有关的太极人物,还有致柔拳社的历史。为的是让大家了解多一点这一脉的传统太极拳,也提供多一点资料给有心助一臂之力的朋友。暮雨老师一向处世低调,他跟我说,低调、低调,不事张扬,性好内敛,渐与道合。但经我一再劝说,为了不让好东西在他手上失传,他终于同意在网上发一些他的拳照和有关文章,希望能由此找到贵人。如果你还需要知道什么,又不便在网上发的话,我会发邮件给你。
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太极拳论“以心行气,务令沉着,乃能收敛入骨;以气运身,务令顺遂,乃能便利从心”

“气为使焉,神为主焉。神气收敛于内,内外融合为一,是为太极拳之体,将神气充溢于外,是为太极拳之用也。以体用分而言之,则脊骨为体,心为用;合之,则心肾相交,是为太极拳术之体用大全也。”

“以心行气者,所谓意到气...
找到了,原文在这: http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_4b496922010006g7.html
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通过一年多的练拳体悟,我认为:要敛气入骨,就要气足;要气足,就要养气;要养气,就要气沉丹田;要气沉丹田,就要动作到位,姿势正确。
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观上文所理解是皮肉的描述或有为的导引。这不全面也没有说到入骨。


《气敛入骨》是一种行功状态的描绘。 当火轮车(下丹田)自动生起之後,暖意从内遊走全身, 从内而外, 直至燃皮感 (火烧身),後回骨入敛的一种状态。

这种感觉可从长时间sauna迅速体验一下。但是Sauna的暖意是从外而内...
对,跟我想法一样,是以气催形的行功状态。初学者没有足够的内气,只能以形领气,等气足了,自然就会浸入骨内。所以,要敛气入骨,就要做好一点一滴,从基本要领做起,才能气沉丹田,才能养足内气。
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