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旧 Feb 12th, 2012, 10:27     #1
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默认 两边全是红灯,右转没有fullstop,罚单287刀(潜伏)

上周五的事情,傍晚7点多,加完班回家,路上基本车很少,路口两个方向都红灯,减速了没有停稳,在拐角处走出已警察(藏在拐角公交站),拦下说没有全停,开了287的罚单,平生第一次,请大侠们指点,如何处理,多谢!
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旧 Feb 12th, 2012, 10:58   只看该作者   #2
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对方有可以核查的证据和证人吗?
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旧 Feb 12th, 2012, 16:25   只看该作者   #3
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option3,上庭,记得要警察。
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旧 Feb 12th, 2012, 17:09   只看该作者   #4
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这种陷阱式的罚单,警察都会上庭,只能减免点,很难打赢官司,
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旧 Feb 12th, 2012, 17:58   只看该作者   #5
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警车藏哪里?公交车亭都玻璃的,这么大目标你还看不见,啥眼神.
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旧 Feb 12th, 2012, 18:46   只看该作者   #6
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No need for "Amber/Red light" tickets. Cops' eyes are everything
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旧 Feb 12th, 2012, 20:27   只看该作者   #7
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按LS这样的逻辑还不是血口喷人都得认了?
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旧 Feb 12th, 2012, 21:20   只看该作者   #8
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没有,请指教
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旧 Feb 12th, 2012, 22:34   只看该作者   #9
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在法官眼里,警察的信誉比你高。所以相信警察的。
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旧 Feb 12th, 2012, 23:20   只看该作者   #10
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按LS这样的逻辑还不是血口喷人都得认了?
是的,法官相信警察,不相信你。我上过一次庭,不认罪,然后警察陈述一遍,我陈述一遍,法官最后说警察比较可信,所以没得免。
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旧 Feb 13th, 2012, 01:15   只看该作者   #11
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这个无需认证/物证,仅凭一句话就可以定罪其实大家都明白法律及司法实践都有需要改进的地方。

武周的来俊臣,明朝厂卫,还有最近的一些新闻都说明如果没有制约就跟黑社会没有什么区别了。
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旧 Feb 13th, 2012, 08:31   只看该作者   #12
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其实这是民事和刑事案件判定原则的不同,刑事案件是推定无罪的原则,所以警方要判定你有罪,必须有足够的证据和人证来断定你有罪,类似交通法规类似的民事案件,出于成本的考虑,法官会采信警方的证言,推定你有罪,如果要推翻警方的罚单,你需要找出足够的证据或理由或人证来推翻警方的证言,这是你的责任去找证据和理由去打官司。
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默认 我老婆的同事也这种情况。

在Stop Sign前没有停稳,cop出来开罚单。后来选择上庭,竟然打赢官司。好象她让同车的人做证,证明其已经停稳了。(说实在的,她自己都说没有完全停住)
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旧 Feb 13th, 2012, 17:55   只看该作者   #14
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如果没有人能证明你全停住了的话,那你输定了。记住这个经验教训吧

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旧 Feb 13th, 2012, 17:57   只看该作者   #15
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侥幸总是有的。
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旧 Feb 13th, 2012, 19:35   只看该作者   #16
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这个无需认证/物证,仅凭一句话就可以定罪其实大家都明白法律及司法实践都有需要改进的地方。

武周的来俊臣,明朝厂卫,还有最近的一些新闻都说明如果没有制约就跟黑社会没有什么区别了。
Try out the Office of the Prime Minister: pm@pm.gc.ca

Best of luck!
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旧 Feb 13th, 2012, 22:47   只看该作者   #17
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默认 警察不会凭空说的,你肯定是停的时间不够

这不是什么大问题,一般出庭没有你说话的时间,没有点数(就算有也会免去)
就是价格了,如果你坚持说无罪就会得罪法官,也就是你不想给钱。一般会打折5-8折
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旧 Feb 13th, 2012, 23:16   只看该作者   #18
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这个减或者免点的说法可靠不?

在某地的墙上的屏幕上明确说法官无权对点数做出改动。
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旧 Feb 14th, 2012, 09:57   只看该作者   #19
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这个减或者免点的说法可靠不?

在某地的墙上的屏幕上明确说法官无权对点数做出改动。
不是法官作出改动点数的裁决,而是上庭前和交通厅委派的公诉员达成协议:认罪则免点。也就是说只要认罪,到法官面前的已经是免过点数的。
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