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旧 Mar 23rd, 2010, 23:01     #1
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多少觉得有点不公平。感觉上MLS应该算是经济们自己的内部信息交换平台吧,费用信息共享,如果里面的信息都来自经纪们的输入,那么外人还真不好说什么。现在开放登广告,以后要不要开放成交记录查询?完了经纪们都成了义务劳动了?
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旧 Mar 24th, 2010, 09:54     #2
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autotrader上仅仅是登广告而已,MLS里面可不就这些。况且类似的自卖房网站也不是没有,你也可以到报纸上登

MLS本来应该是个封闭的行业协会的工具,只有经纪可以用,他的原罪在于他集中了太多有用的信息。这些信息的收集非一日之功,雇佣经济才能进MLS也是收买路钱广告费,只不过大家觉得太贵而已。强迫贱买而已。
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旧 Mar 25th, 2010, 09:44     #3
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首先,地产协会没有利用这种垄断去打压其他售房方式,我见过几个自卖的房子,好像有个房子在这个论坛就自卖过相当长时间。如果MLS降低入门费,到反而有利用垄断打击其他网站的嫌疑了。

其次,政府如果想打破垄断,大可以把自己掌握的信息放在网站上,政府难道对房屋买卖没有记录吗?如果有,然后再放个标准的房屋买卖合同,基本就齐活了。

但就是这样,经纪也不会消失,就好比谁都可以买股票,但不少人还是委托别人帮忙作。
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旧 Mar 25th, 2010, 11:18     #4
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国内偏远乡下人进城办点事,唯一的交通工具就是一天一班的公共汽车,这有人跳出来说你可以不坐这车进城,你可以走路啊,你还可以自己买辆车开着进城啊。咋那么无耻。
这个是两个性质的问题,这不是公共汽车,开始是几个人自己组织的carpool,后来变成私营的运输公司,他们应该有权利制定使用的价格,以前必须雇佣经济才能上车,现在交钱就可以上,总之是要交钱,先交后交,多交少交而已。

如果他们利用自己的垄断排挤其他运输公司,比如打价格战,那么对他们使用反垄断法是正确的,而现在看不到类似的情况。

说明一下,本人非经纪,最近比较闲而已
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旧 Mar 25th, 2010, 12:01     #5
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这是清理门户,和我们刚才说的又不是同一个问题了。以前经纪上MLS网站有密码就行,后来改成了U盘,现在不知道,为什么?我知道有些经纪把密码给出去的,大家好不容易攒鸡毛凑胆子才弄出这么个数据库,还指着他赚钱却被某些人不打声招呼就给贱买了,互联网一个作用是让很多信息公开了,副作用就是很多人认为什么都应该便宜不要钱,其实满不是那么回事情,卖数据的公司很多,真正的有价值的数据都是要钱的,连查个车的历史都是要钱的,先雇经纪后上车只是一种收钱的方式而已,作为经济们自己大数据库,经纪们应该有权决定如何使用。

我虽然有时候也不奋经纪的某些做法,但他们的私有财产和知识产权还是要尊重的
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旧 Mar 26th, 2010, 12:52     #6
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真扯蛋,考牌是考的帮会牌,不加入帮会考牌干什么?
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旧 Mar 26th, 2010, 17:58     #7
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哈哈,肉联的贴子:

post your house on MLS for $109. PM me, I will send you the link. -bishen(tony); 13:06 (#5971725@0)
这也就是年景好,什么人什么价都敢开牙,就象以前互联网泡沫的时候,什么人都敢炒股票。没有有力的数据支持,你自己登广告要个什么价呢?开价还价都是要有根据的。
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旧 Mar 26th, 2010, 18:00     #8
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美国5年前就出现这种情况

5年后,大部分交易还是通过经纪人。
5年前,当每个人都认为房子光涨不迭的时候,每个人都认为自己可以是经济
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旧 Mar 26th, 2010, 20:47     #9
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感觉这个问题有点类似于微软,微软的操作系统在市场占有率特别高,价格也不便宜,记得美国政府几年前也就市场垄断的问题找过微软的麻烦,不知道后来怎么解决的。
微软是另外的问题,是典型的利用自己的垄断地位打压他人,比如利用捆绑免费IE排挤Netscape,虽然当时我觉得微软捆绑IE的理由还是讲得通的,不了了之也是正常,其他人都给拖死了。

如果MLS真开放了平价登广告,那到有欺负其他网站的嫌疑了,同样价钱,其他网站是没有办法和MLS争的。

感觉上如果真的向前面提到的有人可以帮忙评价登广告,过不了几天那些为开放MLS叫好的人又会不爽了,因为按他们的逻辑,就登个破广告就要我一百零九?不用干任何事情,多美的事啊。比医生挣的都多,连我都动心了考个照然后去挖MLS的墙角了。
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所谓的历史成交价数据库, 40年前4.6万的房子现在市场价64万, 历史成交价对买房者有意义吗?同类房型,同类地区,近期的成交价是有参考价值的,但也只是参考价值,每个房子情况都不一样,相差几万也很正常。再说你雇佣的经纪,一定会告诉你所有的信息吗?可能找几个最高的成交价给你参考,巴不得你快快加钱买下。不要幻想经纪告诉你,这个房子开价太高,或者已被人抢得太高,或者有这样那样的问题不合适,我们不要买了。如果有这样的经纪,起码近10年他都在喝西北风。经纪也是人,要吃饭,我们能理解。

总而言之,mls所谓的内部数据库,有最好,没有也无妨。主要是能给公众提供一个平台。买房买房,不管选择哪种方法,都要自己多做功课。
数据为王,别小看这个参考价,我看肉联上有关房子的帖子很多是问成交价的。经济怎么利用数据不能说明这些数据是否有价值,或者数据价值的大小,是不是?更何况你举的例子算经济欺诈。更不能用来否定这些数据的价值。

另外,多做功课没错,但没有数据怎么作功课呢?挨家挨户去问?跟着感觉走?

还是那句话,现在市场好,所以有很多东西看上去似乎不那么合理,但如果从头看起来就好理解多了。

如果你只是想要个买卖平台,现在就有不少,何苦揪着MLS不放?MLS好用?为什么?人多?为什么?
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旧 Mar 28th, 2010, 19:05     #11
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我一再说过,使用经纪来完成交易,这一系统本来就是个笑话。不知道当初谁设计的这一系统,可能以前的白人比较爱体面,不愿意当面讨价还价,结果就弄个经济隔着个窗户纸在那里谈生意。但时代变了,以前的5%在现在就是个天价,传话跑街的不值这个价!我建议以后这样,在每个地区设立1-2个交易所,要挂牌的去那里,要买房...
善于讨价还价是需要作功课的,那些能砍价的女士要么是有内部消息,要么是常逛街的主儿,否则根本没法砍,就算在北京能砍价,到了印度也得抓瞎。房子不是衣服,不会有人整天去逛,就算去逛也只能知道开价而非成交价,对未来砍价也没有太多参考意义

如果政府那里保管所有房产文件和交易记录并对公民开放,那MLS马上就可以解散了
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旧 Mar 28th, 2010, 20:42     #12
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Toronto有哪些房屋买卖平台?不妨列出来大家分享。(仅是中文的除外)
你这人还是请经纪比较好
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政府保管这些数据的,所有公民都可以去政府部门查,给钱就行 刚看报纸,markham这边,给2000,你可以查到所有政府官员的开销记录。估计Toronto收得贵点,人工贵啊。
你是说公家比MLS还黑?
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