Dec 4th, 2004, 23:57 | 只看该作者 #21 |
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一直想写点有关证书的东西给网上的朋友,苦于没有时间。今天挨了砖头,看来不能不回了。先说明一点因为比较忙有些时候只能片言只语地发表一些评论, 过于简单,可能引起一些误会。 先说一个真实的故事,一个拿了证的同胞在做machine operator,找到maintenance supervisor说他有证想干maintenance, 由于正好需要帮手,就让他做helper.应该说对他来说是个绝好的机会,The machine shop almost has everything for maintenance, such as lathe, mill, surface grinder, drill press, saw, welding and so on. Unfortunately, the Chinese guy can not handle some small job, even he doesn’t know how to start the lathe, how to use torch and doing some work in very funny way (according other maintenance guys vivid description). Even machine setup guys laugh at him, “Licensed guy still learning, funny ah?” The supervisor got surprised and questioned him about his license. The poor guy almost confessed everything: where the school he attended, how he got the reference letter which says he had 5 years experience in China, blah, blah… Needless to say, that poor guy had been sent back his position. You can image what impression that supervisor got about Chinese licensed guys. Do you think he would like to hire another Chinese guy? Even so, to my opinion, he will be very cautious at least when interview others. To make matters worse, the supervisor 把这件事当个故事到处宣扬。可以想象,下一个Chinese candidate所面临的困难。 我没把那个证当做什么了不起的东西,但我对这种对整体形象不负责任的做法感到生气。急着找工作可以理解,但要掂量掂量自己。真正的license是要经过至少四年学徒的,干过四年和没动过手的不能同日而语。仅凭那苍白的证书我看难以跨过这个门槛。证书=工作?No way! (Sorry I have to go, to be continued) |
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Dec 5th, 2004, 10:35 | 只看该作者 #22 |
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I appreciate w3w: 自己一开始很有压力。边干边学,去HOME DEPOT买了本PLUMBING的书,看人家是怎么做的;经常去HOME DEPOT看材料,看工具,经常想怎么能把工作做好。我烧的第一份焊,是在我家的凉台上。我自己买材料回家练。到现在,做的很好,很顺。老板很满意。 I agree with Millwright: 我没把那个证当做什么了不起的东西,但我对这种对整体形象不负责任的做法感到生气。急着找工作可以理解,但要掂量掂量自己。真正的license是要经过至少四年学徒的,干过四年和没动过手的不能同日而语。仅凭那苍白的证书我看难以跨过这个门槛。证书=工作?No way! I didn't tell employers that I had license when I was hunting jobs but didn't think I could handle a licensed job. I did related jobs for more than a year. I worked hard and learned related skills from every opportunity. In this way, when I finally got a license job, I had the confidence to do it well in a short period. Because I knew I shouldn't be less smarter than the average trades people. I did do excellent jobs soon after hired. I am still learning everything new to me. I will definitely be the best in the organization. |
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Dec 5th, 2004, 21:15 | 只看该作者 #23 |
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我至今没发现一个没有经过一定时间锻炼,考了证就找到工作的人。也可能本人消息闭塞。知情者请跟贴,让我开开眼。可千万别和我说某某就是这么找到的$15/h Millwright的工作。不知Plumber的行情,对millwright的位置来说,给你$15,在人家的心目中你根本就不是licensed millwright,尽管他嘴上承认. 这种要求动手能力极强的工作不是我们大多中国人的长项,除了实践没啥捷径可走。个人感觉,很多人考证的热情高国对实践经验的渴望。不踏踏实实步步为营,总想来点快的,抄近道,很可能最后是竹篮打水。国内第一批卖假酒的大发一笔,但长不了,后来的恐怕没那么幸运。 (it seems my point is too negative, please be patient, more positive point will follow. to be continued) |
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Dec 5th, 2004, 22:35 | 只看该作者 #24 |
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没有工作就没有经验,没有经验又找不着工作。这个怪圈大多改行的移民都经历过,冲破这个怪圈还真得下点功夫,个人认为要比拿证困难些。经历这个过程,有机会的成分,更离不开个人的主观努力。建议:选准行业,找切入点,积累经验。 不要在乎第一份工作的收入,要看能不能长见识。实际上这也是一种投资,回报不在今天,而是在下一份工作。我坚信凭中国人的勤奋和智慧一定能胜任这种工作。 再强调一下我的观点,不要着急考证,更不要show off. 在这个阶段,那个证只有负作用,对你没任何帮助。就像我前面提到的例子,如果那个人不提他有证,可能还有机会。人的本性是帮助弱者,不论什么种族。不如他时他帮你,你比他强时他往下拽你。 另外从雇主的角度讲,如果这个位置不是需要有证的(not pay high),他不会考虑你。他知道keep不住你(一旦你有了足够的经验,you will say bye-bye to your boss for sure)。谁愿意顾一个半年一年就跳槽的人呢? 另外,选行业要慎重,你喜欢才行。只有你喜欢才能百分之百地投入。迫不得已的选择,以后你不会开心。瞧不起这行业就别干。 我反感管我叫labour (歧视性的), 尤其是国内更甚。尽管我老婆对此也愤愤不平,吵架有时也说“越看越像老工人”,但对我带回来的cheque 她总是眉开眼笑从未嫌脏。说远了。 (To be continued ) |
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Dec 6th, 2004, 09:46 | 只看该作者 #25 |
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同意millwright的观点(后面的). 我现在做maintainence,不敢告诉老板有证,因为1,他会笑话你?! 2他会不要你!(我没有维修经验) 更同意millwright的下面的观点,看好再动手,打labor时费尽心机想做机修,现在做上了,发现不喜欢,浪费时间,不如好好学英语,以后机会还是很多的.我认识的机修(中国人)都是$25/h或以上,我想一年,两年,几年,我保证会达到这个工资水平,时间的问题,但我却正在考虑转行,很简单因为不喜欢. |
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Dec 6th, 2004, 21:13 | 只看该作者 #26 | |
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不想继续写了,在Plumber这块地上舞锄弄镰的也不好。(sorry to Divad416) 总之这种trade相对说入们容易,可高可低,收入不差,play的空间大,再就业可尽可退。我相信同胞经过一两年的磨练都能干得很好。 引用:
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Dec 6th, 2004, 21:52 | 只看该作者 #27 | |
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“有证可什么也不懂更不会干的大有人在” 不知你是在圈里还是圈外,在圈里你可以这样安慰自己,在圈外这可不是理由。 “怕一些中国面孔把“你”的证抹黑了让你不好找工吧” 这个“你”如果代表所有的同胞,你说对了。对我个体而言,影响不大,我已在圈里了。 引用:
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Dec 7th, 2004, 19:47 | 只看该作者 #29 | |
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我说那句话是我的看法,看到过许多有证的人干的活和干法,真不知道他们的证是怎么考到的(西人),正如我师傅的一句话,有一部分人是不应该待在“圈内”的,他们很危险(THEY ARE DANGEROUS.)有时候想,如果报告了TSSA可能在我前面来过的那个老兄就玩完了。当然,老祖宗的话还是没有忘记的“人外有人,天外有天”。 不争了,这个PLUMBER团体到底办不办? |
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Dec 8th, 2004, 18:31 | 只看该作者 #30 |
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Sorry, I can not key in Chinese. I am working as an HVAC technician and got almost same experience like you all. Even though I was an HVAC engineer in China, I can not handle some basic or manor technician jobs in Canada. So, I was frastrated at the beginning. Yes, it is yes. I can not say that I was an engineer in China in my resume. the interviewer will tell you that you are over qualified. the hidden mean is that you are not good for work. So, I have to choose as a helper at the beginning application. as matter as fact, I can not get job quickly, so I went to apply my licence at the same time. when you learned for licence, you can get some knowledge about canadian technician. It is very important for your future job. Now, I passed the hard time and can do jobs by my self only. I can make use of lots of my chinese engineer experience and did some excellent caculation for my installation work. So, I think that the licence is very important after I get some experience. Trying to apply the low position to get chance is only way. So, you don't worry your future. Going to home depot is a good idea. Good luck and chinese engineers can handle Canadian technician jobs for sure. Give me feedback if you have some question my wife is calling me to do some home work. See you, guys! |
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Mar 27th, 2005, 17:58 | 只看该作者 #38 |
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我的建议: 1 自己做个名片、宣传单,说自己是handyman自己给自己揽点活,可以免费给邻居修,积累经验; 2 可以到 apt大楼当房管,superintendant, 即解决了自己的住房,又解决了工作,还有许多机会修修弄弄。 不知有没有人试过这条路。 CWO |
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