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旧 Jan 24th, 2005, 21:36   只看该作者   #21
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首先搞清楚什么是labour工?
其实很难界定什么是labour工。我对labour工的定义是劳力市场里价格低的劳动力。雇主很容易找到的劳动力。跟体力好像并无什么必然关系。其实一些真正重体力活的工作大多数来的技术移民不能胜任。而在加拿大这类活往往工资不低!例如电厂的大型装机工人据我所知年薪六万加币以上不成问题。另外机场的装卸工人收入也不低。但是这类工作要求一定技能。不要以为简单小看。来这边要改变就业的观念,什么专业工,labour工,这类国内的思维到这边是不适用的,这里只有有工作和没工作之分。注意这里的一个特点,一些看似脏,累,危险的活,往往工资不错,比如电工,Plumper,CNC set-up oprator,各类民用设施维修技工,算上加班六万加币以上不成问题。好的十万也是常见的。关键是你能不能干。这也是加拿大社会收入差距不大的原因。不像国内,你雇个保姆,没错是便宜,但各位中华同胞你想过没有,这合理吗?你月收入以万计算,是你保姆的十数倍,你开汽车,你的保姆骑单车,你的快乐建立在什么之上???你又是怎样的官本位思想???里面的矛盾你想过吗?但在加拿大如果你是保姆,你一样可以开车,一样有个Hourse,不过就比有钱人差而已。

所谓“专业工作”你就要考各类证书,certificate,培训。只要你努力找到所谓的”办公室的“,”有前途的“工作我觉得不难。最怕就是自以为有不错的水平,国内干过什么什么职位,领导过什么什么项目,非什么不干这种心态。其实如果专业对口,符合这边类似企业需求,国内有不错经验,在加拿大找份工作是不难的。收入嘛也不错。所以如果有心来的朋友可以在登陆前就着手调研这边跟你国内经验最强的同行企业状况。这样你能较快就能找到工作。

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首先搞清楚什么是labour工?
其实很难界定什么是labour工。我对labour工的定义是劳力市场里价格低的劳动力。雇主很容易找到的劳动力。跟体力好像并无什么必然关系。其实一些真正重体力活的工作大多数来的技术移民不能胜任。而在加拿大这类活往往工资不低!例如电厂的大型装机工人据我所知年薪六万加币以上不成问题。另外机场的装卸工人收入也不低。但是这类工作要求一定技能。不要以为简单小看。来这边要改变就业的观念,什么专业工,labour工,这类国内的思维到这边是不适用的,这里只有有工作和没工作之分。注意这里的一个特点,一些看似脏,累,危险的活,往往工资不错,比如电工,Plumper,CNC set-up oprator,各类民用设施维修技工,算上加班六万加币以上不成问题。好的十万也是常见的。关键是你能不能干。这也是加拿大社会收入差距不大的原因。不像国内,你雇个保姆,没错是便宜,但各位中华同胞你想过没有,这合理吗?你月收入以万计算,是你保姆的十数倍,你开汽车,你的保姆骑单车,你的快乐建立在什么之上???你又是怎样的官本位思想???里面的矛盾你想过吗?但在加拿大如果你是保姆,你一样可以开车,一样有个Hourse,不过就比有钱人差而已。

所谓“专业工作”你就要考各类证书,certificate,培训。只要你努力找到所谓的”办公室的“,”有前途的“工作我觉得不难。最怕就是自以为有不错的水平,国内干过什么什么职位,领导过什么什么项目,非什么不干这种心态。其实如果专业对口,符合这边类似企业需求,国内有不错经验,在加拿大找份工作是不难的。收入嘛也不错。所以如果有心来的朋友可以在登陆前就着手调研这边跟你国内经验最强的同行企业状况。这样你能较快就能找到工作。

You made good point. The goal of canada is to make people equal. Currently China is unequally developing in some filed. This is one of the reason I said that China has more opportunities for people to make money.
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旧 Jan 24th, 2005, 22:30   只看该作者   #23
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默认 复习一下HRDC 2004 有关新移民就业率的数据

2000-2004

1)登路半年内找到相关专业工作的新移民/总的新技术移民=0.23%

2)登路1年内找到相关专业工作的新移民/总的新技术移民=0.93%

3)登路2年内找到相关专业工作的新移民/总的新技术移民=5.24%

4)登路3年内找到相关专业工作的新移民/总的新技术移民=9.72%

5)登路4年内找到相关专业工作的新移民/总的新技术移民=15.29%
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旧 Jan 25th, 2005, 10:12   只看该作者   #24
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In big city of China, such as Shanghai, Beijing, people who have over 6 years professional sales or other professional experience can make 200kRMB/year. At least, most my friends in shanghai's income is above this. Toronto is also fianacial center in Canada, but it's very hard for immigrants to make decent money . 50k isn't high income, How many new immigrants can make over 50 k CDN/year in Toronto? .

From business perspective, we can easily get many business information and opportunities in china depending on our years networking and experience, . However in Canada, we are just new comer. We have no networking at all.
I am sales in here, the only way for me to get client is cold calling. When I was sales in shanghai, I have lots of networking and resources to get client. This is the difference between Canada and China. I believe that I can be good sales again after serveral years .However, we are not young people any more. Life doesn't have too much time to waste.

For very decent living in Canada, personally i think that it requries 150k /year at least for family. "Decent living style" means a lot ,not living a house which has some rooms to rent out or saving money from entertaiment ,grocery etc....

Anyway, this is only personal perspective. Some of my friends think I am very demanding on life. I think that I am kind of person.But there's nothing wrong for people to expect decent life.
我同意他的观点。当然我没有那么高的要求,非要150K每年,这样在加的生活真的极其富裕了。在这里50K每年应该就能过上在国内200KRMB的生活了。
我有个个人观点,任何在国内做PROFESSIONAL工作的人,千万不要在这里做LABOR工。即使有些LABOR工PAY的不低。当然要首先保证生存的人另当别论。只要存款没有问题,宁愿失业不要做LABOR。因为做LABOR影响心态,浪费时间,对将来没有任何用处
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旧 Jan 25th, 2005, 14:39   只看该作者   #25
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你的标题跟你数据就是矛盾的。就业率可以用相关专业工作跟移民人数比值来衡量嘛?纯粹瞎扯。先不管你的数据那里来的
照你这样说另外85%的新移民全喝西北风去了?我说过这里只有有工作和没工作之分。至于你能找到什么工作有很多因素限制。
新技术移民就其专业水准和素质而言也是参差不齐,就我能接触到的朋友而言,真正技术过硬的,有好的乐观心态的,没有找不到较满意专业相关工作的。有的还是企业催促其上班。
另外有一点,加拿大不是万能的,什么技术人才都很需要,需求量很大,往往跟经济发展步伐相关,各个省区也不同,这点那个国家都一样。来加之前最好先了解清楚。我敢说按一个家庭夫妻两个劳动力(一主一副)而言,三年之后你家还不到六万收入以上,那你这个人本来就是很不行的或者说缺了很多东西要补课。不管来不来加拿大都一样,相反来这里还好些。我说这话可能有些刻薄了。但事实就是这样。另外不要老把专业工挂在嘴边。什么不是专业?你这种思维在国内都落后了都不知道。没看到人家北大毕业卖猪肉吗?大学毕业回
乡下养猪?我跟你说国内不缺什么所谓的“工程师”,这个“总工”那个“总工”,这个副总那个副总,就缺一个Professional的技工!!!其实Professional的静下心专心工作的工程师何曾不缺?
另外楼上说的没错,要过上decent的生活150K CAD per year确实是需要的。但这对大多数人而言要经过漫长的努力。其实如果按家庭夫妻两个计算,也不是不可能的任务。没15万有10万再合法避税也不错了。十万CAD家庭年收入在加拿大并非难事。我接触过的维修工一个人努力加加班也有这个数。少点抱怨,多做实事吧。


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2000-2004

1)登路半年内找到相关专业工作的新移民/总的新技术移民=0.23%

2)登路1年内找到相关专业工作的新移民/总的新技术移民=0.93%

3)登路2年内找到相关专业工作的新移民/总的新技术移民=5.24%

4)登路3年内找到相关专业工作的新移民/总的新技术移民=9.72%

5)登路4年内找到相关专业工作的新移民/总的新技术移民=15.29%
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QUOTE=rabbitjessy]In big city of China, such as Shanghai, Beijing, people who have over 6 years professional sales or other professional experience can make 200kRMB/year. At least, most my friends in shanghai's income is above this. Toronto is also fianacial center in Canada, but it's very hard for immigrants to make decent money . 50k isn't high income, How many new immigrants can make over 50 k CDN/year in Toronto? .

From business perspective, we can easily get many business information and opportunities in china depending on our years networking and experience, . However in Canada, we are just new comer. We have no networking at all.
I am sales in here, the only way for me to get client is cold calling. When I was sales in shanghai, I have lots of networking and resources to get client. This is the difference between Canada and China. I believe that I can be good sales again after serveral years .However, we are not young people any more. Life doesn't have too much time to waste.

For very decent living in Canada, personally i think that it requries 150k /year at least for family. "Decent living style" means a lot ,not living a house which has some rooms to rent out or saving money from entertaiment ,grocery etc....

Anyway, this is only personal perspective. Some of my friends think I am very demanding on life. I think that I am kind of person.But there's nothing wrong for people to expect decent life.[/QUOTE]
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我同意他的观点。当然我没有那么高的要求,非要150K每年,这样在加的生活真的极其富裕了。在这里50K每年应该就能过上在国内200KRMB的生活了。
我有个个人观点,任何在国内做PROFESSIONAL工作的人,千万不要在这里做LABOR工。即使有些LABOR工PAY的不低。当然要首先保证生存的人另当别论。只要存款没有问题,宁愿失业不要做LABOR。因为做LABOR影响心态,浪费时间,对将来没有任何用处
50K income in here won't be same as 200kRMB in China. Even 50k/person won't be the same. You do need make a clear list to compare what you can get in here. My currently family income is above 100kcdn in here. I feel very tight on my life. I never used to cacluate what I spent every month in shanghai, however I do track every nickle I spent in Canada. In happy day of shanghai, I can spend whatever I like ,there are still fair amount saving in my bank left each month. In Toronto, I need make budget for every single item to make sure my saving account to grow postively.
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你知道为什么看到那么多抱怨吗?有一个解释值得注意:适应了这边生活的移民,真正投入了加拿大生活的,感到有滋味的移民往往远离了新移民的圈子,以前他们也经常在一些华人论坛抱怨几声,但现在往往潜水了,或者根本不来了。因为他们有很多事去忙,这是种趋势。于是你看到了那么多抱怨。老实讲在我的朋友圈子里,我还真没感到象地狱般的人,偶尔抱怨也有,但都过得挺好的。还有,北美自古是强者的天下,对新移民讲来这里要暂时抛却中国人谦逊,圆滑中庸的性格。当然在华人圈子就另外一会事了。血泪控诉中国有何曾少?我不是一味的吹捧加拿大什么都好。但坦白讲我是喜欢这里的生活的。我现在过得还很满足。如果你非得对比加拿大,美国,中国。温家宝总理在美国说了句实话:“中国要赶上美国至少需要100年的时间。”注意这是指总体水平。单拿少数人无法比较。你说越南怎么样?那里的少数富人活得不比你上海的差多少。但是你如果说,我就是中国的那少数顶尖的一类人,那我也敢说,在这北美你也可以得到新的感受。如果你说我虽然不是顶尖,但我还有很多机会能上去,那没法,你就挤去吧。如果你说在中国是中不留的,那过来好过。如果你说我岂不是叛国?我反问你:你在国内干坏事也叫爱国?整天跟着鬼子上司跑也叫爱国?给日本人做马仔也叫爱国!合着鬼子整跨国企也叫爱国?没那事!!对得起家人朋友就是爱,就是爱国了。

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QUOTE=rabbitjessy]In big city of China, such as Shanghai, Beijing, people who have over 6 years professional sales or other professional experience can make 200kRMB/year. At least, most my friends in shanghai's income is above this. Toronto is also fianacial center in Canada, but it's very hard for immigrants to make decent money . 50k isn't high income, How many new immigrants can make over 50 k CDN/year in Toronto? .

From business perspective, we can easily get many business information and opportunities in china depending on our years networking and experience, . However in Canada, we are just new comer. We have no networking at all.
I am sales in here, the only way for me to get client is cold calling. When I was sales in shanghai, I have lots of networking and resources to get client. This is the difference between Canada and China. I believe that I can be good sales again after serveral years .However, we are not young people any more. Life doesn't have too much time to waste.

For very decent living in Canada, personally i think that it requries 150k /year at least for family. "Decent living style" means a lot ,not living a house which has some rooms to rent out or saving money from entertaiment ,grocery etc....

Anyway, this is only personal perspective. Some of my friends think I am very demanding on life. I think that I am kind of person.But there's nothing wrong for people to expect decent life.
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[QUOTE=Spongebob2]你知道为什么看到那么多抱怨吗?有一个解释值得注意:适应了这边生活的移民,真正投入了加拿大生活的,感到有滋味的移民往往远离了新移民的圈子,以前他们也经常在一些华人论坛抱怨几声,但现在往往潜水了,或者根本不来了。因为他们有很多事去忙,这是种趋势。于是你看到了那么多抱怨。

That's abosutley right!!!

老实讲在我的朋友圈子里,我还真没感到象地狱般的人,偶尔抱怨也有,但都过得挺好的。还有,北美自古是强者的天下,对新移民讲来这里要暂时抛却中国人谦逊,圆滑中庸的性格。当然在华人圈子就另外一会事了。血泪控诉中国有何曾少?我不是一味的吹捧加拿大什么都好。但坦白讲我是喜欢这里的生活的。我现在过得还很满足。

To stay or not , it's very personal choice. It all depends on personality. Personally, I perfer more vivide envoirment , so I thought Canada is too quiet for me. Secondly , I am sales, it's much harder for me to establish whole new business network. But as what I mentioned before, it's still possible to be successful business people through many years .

如果你非得对比加拿大,美国,中国。温家宝总理在美国说了句实话:“中国要赶上美国至少需要100年的时间。”注意这是指总体水平。单拿少数人无法比较。你说越南怎么样?那里的少数富人活得不比你上海的差多少。但是你如果说,我就是中国的那少数顶尖的一类人,那我也敢说,在这北美你也可以得到新的感受。如果你说在中国是中不留的,那过来好过。如果你说我岂不是叛国?我反问你:你在国内干坏事也叫爱国?没那事!!对得起家人朋友就是爱,就是爱国了。

I am not sure if china need another 100 years to catch Wester developed country.

All in all, personally I really suggest most friends stay in china to develope their life not Canada. There's nothing easy for new immigrants. I did learn a lot in the past 2 years .But I think that it really hurt myself on certain degree.
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你根本就不理解加拿大为什么富有,中国为什么贫穷。加拿大过去也没有什么著名的高新科技,现在也没有,将来可能还是这样。还有其它一些福利国家,像瑞典,芬兰,奥地利,澳大利亚等,你见它们有什么辉煌的工业成就,科技发展?中国人那么吃苦耐劳,据说还很聪明,有原子弹,飞船上了天,大部分人还不是贫穷?

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50K income in here won't be same as 200kRMB in China. Even 50k/person won't be the same. You do need make a clear list to compare what you can get in here. My currently family income is above 100kcdn in here. I feel very tight on my life. I never used to cacluate what I spent every month in shanghai, however I do track every nickle I spent in Canada. In happy day of shanghai, I can spend whatever I like ,there are still fair amount saving in my bank left each month. In Toronto, I need make budget for every single item to make sure my saving account to grow postively.
不会吧,这里10K的生活应该远远好于中国200K的生活了。你想在中国200K收入的人能买什么房子和车子?在这里买的是什么房子和车子?我在国内收入都多于200K,但买三室一厅的房子看得上眼的根本就买不起。而这里10K收入可以买很大的HOUSE了,车子本来就是小菜一碟了。在上海200K收入如果要买房,车子的计划还不知道要排到哪一年呢?
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别说了。我错了,没时间论证自己的观点。

隆重感谢“北京新移民”!!
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只要你在国内是认真搞技术的,英文不太差,升迁又无望,收入又不太高,不来加拿大就可惜了。(IT不在此类,应该移民印度)

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除非你的银行存款年利息可以达到60KCAD每年,而且也不盼望什么了,只想过几天休闲日子,否则在这里就得每天奔忙,就得淄铢必较,寸土必争。直到可以退休的那天。就我接触过的中小企业的老板而言都是极其忙碌的,有时我们下班了,他们还在忙。
为什么你在这里觉得过得很紧,原因很多,有个人的原因(如果你期望银行存款象国内那种增幅,那么你那100KCAD年收入确实是不够的)也有环境因素造成的,另外就是生活方式和观念的不同,举个例子这里的DIY程度比国内高,想省钱就得DIY,但在国内因为有廉价的劳动力,所以一些服务和商品可以很便宜。但我个人认为这不是一个健康的经济和社会。也是为什么很多人喊人民币升值,但就是没见涨的因素之一,当然人民币不升原因复杂。我个人认为人民币几年内会升值,但幅度不会很大,因为中国经济确实健康增长了不少。

另外你说的I can spend whatever I like,这句话我就不理解了,好的西服上海有卖十几万一套的,地皮靠近外滩更是国内中高收入以下想都不用想的。我想你的whatever指的是到洗衣店干洗衣服,打的,逛百佳买生活用品,吃食,一些家用电器,短途的一些旅游吧,停车费,水费电费,管理费,保姆费,林林种种诸如此类吧。没错这些东西总体讲国内是比这里便宜很多。但我想一个合理的社会不应该是有的人生活消费占收入很大比例,而有的人很小。另外健康的生活应该不奢侈浪费才对。其实如果你仔细动心思,在加拿大还是可以玩的开心又较便宜的。只要你仔细找,你想到的东西都能找到。只是这里没那么多空闲时间倒是真的。除非你退休了。接不接受这点因人而异。

还有就是心理上的原因,因为对大多数新移民讲,这里人生地不熟,不像国内亲朋戚友一大群,心理安全感比这里强,所以有时花钱真的就舍得,敢花!另外国内经济让人目眩耳昏,城市建设普天盖地,人人走路生风,个个恐后争先,谁都没有仔细想过明天,只会认为明天工资会更高,阳光会更好!这是好现象,也是隐患!我认为一个成熟经济是有起伏的。这是人性,没法改变。
另外一些国内奇高的生活服务用品,相反这里到很便宜,大家最熟悉当然是汽车,另外就是游艇,一两万加币就有一条,当然你要考牌。维护费用不是很高。当然你如果讲我是住在桂林的,或苏州的,一条木船更便宜,那我就没话可说了。说到下馆子吃饭,也不是很贵,我就去了不少。总体讲这里的生活质量还是比国内高出不少的!!至于开不开心,觉得有无前途,能不能成就一番事业,因人而已,这里也有机会,只是要明白来这里的人除了偷渡不要命的,难民之外,你还要面对来自很多国家的人才的竞争!到那里都一样,要努力,除非那天真的到了天堂!呵呵。。。。。。
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50K income in here won't be same as 200kRMB in China. Even 50k/person won't be the same. You do need make a clear list to compare what you can get in here. My currently family income is above 100kcdn in here. I feel very tight on my life. I never used to cacluate what I spent every month in shanghai, however I do track every nickle I spent in Canada. In happy day of shanghai, I can spend whatever I like ,there are still fair amount saving in my bank left each month. In Toronto, I need make budget for every single item to make sure my saving account to grow postively.

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除非你的银行存款年利息可以达到60KCAD每年,而且也不盼望什么了,只想过几天休闲日子,否则在这里就得每天奔忙,就得淄铢必较,寸土必争。直到可以退休的那天。就我接触过的中小企业的老板而言都是极其忙碌的,有时我们下班了,他们还在忙。
为什么你在这里觉得过得很紧,原因很多,有个人的原因(如果你期望银行存款象国内那种增幅,那么你那100KCAD年收入确实是不够的)也有环境因素造成的,另外就是生活方式和观念的不同,举个例子这里的DIY程度比国内高,想省钱就得DIY,但在国内因为有廉价的劳动力,所以一些服务和商品可以很便宜。但我个人认为这不是一个健康的经济和社会。也是为什么很多人喊人民币升值,但就是没见涨的因素之一,当然人民币不升原因复杂。我个人认为人民币几年内会升值,但幅度不会很大,因为中国经济确实健康增长了不少。

另外你说的I can spend whatever I like,这句话我就不理解了,好的西服上海有卖十几万一套的,地皮靠近外滩更是国内中高收入以下想都不用想的。我想你的whatever指的是到洗衣店干洗衣服,打的,逛百佳买生活用品,吃食,一些家用电器,短途的一些旅游吧,停车费,水费电费,管理费,保姆费,林林种种诸如此类吧。没错这些东西总体讲国内是比这里便宜很多。但我想一个合理的社会不应该是有的人生活消费占收入很大比例,而有的人很小。另外健康的生活应该不奢侈浪费才对。其实如果你仔细动心思,在加拿大还是可以玩的开心又较便宜的。只要你仔细找,你想到的东西都能找到。只是这里没那么多空闲时间倒是真的。除非你退休了。接不接受这点因人而异。

还有就是心理上的原因,因为对大多数新移民讲,这里人生地不熟,不像国内亲朋戚友一大群,心理安全感比这里强,所以有时花钱真的就舍得,敢花!另外国内经济让人目眩耳昏,城市建设普天盖地,人人走路生风,个个恐后争先,谁都没有仔细想过明天,只会认为明天工资会更高,阳光会更好!这是好现象,也是隐患!我认为一个成熟经济是有起伏的。这是人性,没法改变。
另外一些国内奇高的生活服务用品,相反这里到很便宜,大家最熟悉当然是汽车,另外就是游艇,一两万加币就有一条,当然你要考牌。维护费用不是很高。当然你如果讲我是住在桂林的,或苏州的,一条木船更便宜,那我就没话可说了。说到下馆子吃饭,也不是很贵,我就去了不少。总体讲这里的生活质量还是比国内高出不少的!!至于开不开心,觉得有无前途,能不能成就一番事业,因人而已,这里也有机会,只是要明白来这里的人除了偷渡不要命的,难民之外,你还要面对来自很多国家的人才的竞争!到那里都一样,要努力,除非那天真的到了天堂!呵呵。。。。。。

Well, I agreed with all your point in here. Actually I did compare some details over and over again. However, I don't know why my life doesn't happy like before. Maybe just like what you mention --lack of secruity. I just don't feel Canada is my home. One of friends think I haven't been here long enough. I don't think so. As competion on career, I never scare that. I am doing pretty good . My boss really apprciated my working talent. After 3 weeks intensive cold calling, this week I got 4 business opportunities for my company so far. It's very impressive to him. However , I still don't feel so comfortable living in Canada for my life time. This is why I suggest people not to come .

Sometimes ,I am so confused. Maybe I am older and older now , more and more responsbilities coming into my life. This is why my life doesn't have so much fun any more. Who knows
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都是小马过河。本贴里有人把加拿大捧上天,有人把加拿大贬成地狱,还在国内的朋友把这些话一中和,就得到了真实的加拿大。

就像50K CAD,就大部分人的观点看,绝对生活水平大概>100K RMB, 买的起便宜房,便宜车了。而相对生活水平很一般,手很紧,< 80K RMB的感觉.

至于国内挣>200K RMB得人,来加拿大真的意义不大了。
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的确,人生就是如此,两头轻松中间紧!要说来到这边思想上缺失的是什么,我想有两个:第一个是旧目标的暂停,而新的工作目标在调整,有人调整长有人很快找到新的目标,各人不同。此期间自然是难受的。第二个深层的东西我想是缺少了国家荣誉和民族认同感,来这里只有为家人和自己奋斗了!对加拿大始终没有家的感觉。这是任何人都无法改变的事实。但是如果你在这里久了,在这里奉献过青春岁月,撒下过辛勤汗水,某天你矗立回首之际,发觉这里的一草一木原来也可以有感情的,不光是冷漠的干净漂亮,这时或许你会慕然发觉加拿大也可以是个家,又或许认同了这里的国家的理念,想为这个社会做点什么,想维护这里的一些什么也说不准了。但对很多移民讲,特别是来的时候年龄越大的,还有就是两边飞的,确实是会少了点这么个东西的。这是没办法的事情。就好像国内当年出省城读书打拼一样,年纪大的总想着家乡。国内也一样。不过我是这么看的:现代社会技术发展已经让时空阻隔已经变得很小了。人的社会价值或者实现价值的空间应该从更广义的全球范围看。也许我的思想太前卫了些。扯远了。平时又有谁想这些鸟东西!当我瞎扯巴,呵呵。。。。。
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Well, I agreed with all your point in here. Actually I did compare some details over and over again. However, I don't know why my life doesn't happy like before. Maybe just like what you mention --lack of secruity. I just don't feel Canada is my home. One of friends think I haven't been here long enough. I don't think so. As competion on career, I never scare that. I am doing pretty good . My boss really apprciated my working talent. After 3 weeks intensive cold calling, this week I got 4 business opportunities for my company so far. It's very impressive to him. However , I still don't feel so comfortable living in Canada for my life time. This is why I suggest people not to come .

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我想来这里的大于200K的也不在少数,意义大不大因人而已。

你讲得那个“手头紧”,还有“感觉”,我想上面已经就我个人观点较透彻的解释了一下。其中原因很多。

按你的说法光讲挣钱,200KRMB一年对加拿大来说算是什么??

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就像50K CAD,就大部分人的观点看,绝对生活水平大概>100K RMB, 买的起便宜房,便宜车了。而相对生活水平很一般,手很紧,< 80K RMB的感觉.

至于国内挣>200K RMB得人,来加拿大真的意义不大了。
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作者: Spongebob2
的确,人生就是如此,两头轻松中间紧!要说来到这边思想上缺失的是什么,我想有两个:第一个是旧目标的暂停,而新的工作目标在调整,有人调整长有人很快找到新的目标,各人不同。此期间自然是难受的。第二个深层的东西我想是缺少了国家荣誉和民族认同感,来这里只有为家人和自己奋斗了!对加拿大始终没有家的感觉。这是任何人都无法改变的事实。但是如果你在这里久了,在这里奉献过青春岁月,撒下过辛勤汗水,某天你矗立回首之际,发觉这里的一草一木原来也可以有感情的,不光是冷漠的干净漂亮,这时或许你会慕然发觉加拿大也可以是个家,又或许认同了这里的国家的理念,想为这个社会做点什么,想维护这里的一些什么也说不准了。但对很多移民讲,特别是来的时候年龄越大的,还有就是两边飞的,确实是会少了点这么个东西的。这是没办法的事情。就好像国内当年出省城读书打拼一样,年纪大的总想着家乡。国内也一样。不过我是这么看的:现代社会技术发展已经让时空阻隔已经变得很小了。人的社会价值或者实现价值的空间应该从更广义的全球范围看。也许我的思想太前卫了些。扯远了。平时又有谁想这些鸟东西!当我瞎扯巴,呵呵。。。。。

我很赞同你的说法,很到位。
走出国门之后,静下心的时候想想,不知道人这一辈子到底要追求什么了。
没有了党的指引,生活没有目标了。哈哈。
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