温故而知新:没锅的日子真难受，交流一下(14)

Ellesmeer · May 14th, 2009, 18:38

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作者: deham

请问现在95上面的cctv4还能看吗？应该用什么LNB收？

Yes. Linear INB.

Ellesmeer · May 17th, 2009, 19:48

据说是它的HD已转为8PSK，谁有这些转发器的详细参数？谢谢。

Ellesmeer · May 18th, 2009, 10:32

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作者: tomgod

只转了一个.......起码3天前我搜过的时候是这样

谢谢。今天早晨搜了一下这个鸟上还是有不少HD可以看的。

Ellesmeer · May 18th, 2009, 17:26

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作者: yahooboy

能打听一下，有哪几个HD的频道可以看的？好像全部都变成N3了吧？

除了PPV ，porn和Oasis package以外，具体没数好像有30几到40几个HD的N3频道包括美加的主要新闻和电影频道。PBS Kid HD也可以看。

Ellesmeer · May 19th, 2009, 16:02

C/P

S.U.N.S

This is NOT a sub card share.

Yes they use "cards" and a "card server/ handler" but they do NOT use subbed cards.

as a wise man once said it is emulation at its finest. nFusion has always been ahead of the game and always will be.

just because you dont understand how they do it or what they are using to get the cw's back and forth in the data stream does not mean it is not possible to make it work.

lets remember what is priority here and its not any B3V or DN channel. Its the longevity of the nFusion line.

right now nFusion and any other stb capeable of using an ethernet post is going to be hit hard BUT look at what nfuision is doing?

you make the nfusion line a set of media streaming servers, or be able to access a true FTA ch guide, or an iptv or all of the above you ensure the stability of the platform beyond FTA. how can they bacn a piece of hardware that is essence is no different than a pc or xbox? they cant. the IPPVR EVEN if it worked 100% is still related to sat signal, They are putting in more options that are no sat related so it does not just look like there is a token piece of software just for looks.

nFusion is playing this one extremly well, if the providers are unable to prove the ethernet port is for the sole purpose of pirating TV then they will not have a leg to stand on.

Ellesmeer · May 19th, 2009, 23:09

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作者: oasis

有点困惑

这个估计是他们的商业机密。

Ellesmeer · Jun 1st, 2009, 21:17

It seems IKS is a solution of N3 for FTA

C/P

How does that reputation thingy work??
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As stated above I K S and I C S are different forms with the same result.

They both use internet connections to share "keys", but these are not the keys that "autoroll", they are called Control Word "keys" or CWs, each channel on each provider has its own CW that is valid for approx. 5 minutes, this CW is an 8 byte number, this 8 byte number is used to unscramble the digital Video/audio packets for the 1 channel, so everytime you change channels you need the Decrypted CW for that channel, and this is what I K S/I C S provides your receiver via the internet connection.

The way a standalone bin works is that when you select a channel to view, the bin sends the Encrypted CW packet, found in "the stream" on that channel, to the "softcam" in the bin, the softcam Decrypts the CW packet and uses the Decrypted CW to unscramble the Video/audio for that channel.
Softcam = a software duplicate of a DN or BEV smartcard, an N2 duplicate card at this time, because no one has been able to "open" an N3 card to get the information inside to make a software duplicate of it to use in a bin file.
This is why there is no "N3 fix" bin.

With I C S the receiver is connected directly to the shared N3 card, there is an interface that allows more than 1 receiver to connect to the one card, each receiver gets the Encrypted CW packet from "the stream" for the selected channel, it sends it to the shared card via the internet, then gets back the Decrypted CW via the internet to use to unscramble that channels Video/audio, so the shared card replaces the softcam in the bin file.
I C S groups must be small and VERY private, because each user has direct access to the card, any of them can get the cards CAM ID, this ID leads directly back to the subbed account holders name and address, so DN would shut this account off and prosecute the account holder if possible, these groups would usually only be 10 to 20 users.

I K S doesn't give users direct card access, they are connecting to a server that has all the channels listed by ID, with each channel ID is the latest decrypted CW for that channel, so the card is not being shared directly, the Decrypted CWs are being shared.
The receiver still sends the Encrypted CW packet via the internet to the server, the server uses that packet to ID the channel, and sends back the Decrypted CW for that channel, the card is not involved in any of this.
If the Encrypted packet has not been "seen" by the server before, so its a new CW, then the server will send that encrypted packet to another location, the card server, where it will be Decrypted by the Subbed N3 card then sent back to the User server to be saved and sent out to any user watching that channel.
I K S setups have no limit on users, just the server limits, but more servers can be added to increase port capacity.

As said above none of this is new, card sharing has been going on since the first smart cards were used in Europe.
I K S is newer since it is only used if a large sharing group is wanted, the extra cost of servers just doesn't make sense with smaller goups.
nFusion used I K S because FTA ECMs were occuring more and more often, by switching from standalone bins to an I K S setup they could use an N2 card(hacked) to avoid the "cardless" ECMs that were effecting standalone bins, it was a good selling point for their models.

Any Subbed card based setup, I C S or I K S would, of course, only be able to provide Decrypted CWs for those channels that are paid for on that subscription, which is why PPVs and PPV adult channels are not available, some I C S groups do order PPV movies or Adult channels on a preset schedule, so users can record it for future viewing, everyone pays in these groups so that is doable, once every one agrees on the cost, with I K S the cost of PPV/adult channels would fall to the I KS provider, because there is no extra way to get money from the users, the cost of the monthly subscription would come from current sales, so not sure if doing once or twice a week PPV nights would be cost effective for them, but it would be doable, problem in that would be DN could get a limited idea of which sub accounts might be being used for the I K S, and each week of ordering PPVs on specific days would narrow down the I K S sub account until there were only a few targets left, this is the problem with public I K S setups, DN has full access to all info that is public, like PPV schedules, lol.

Yes any internet use can be traced back to you, but this includes downloading bin files, the risk is always all yours, always has been.
An IP address is forever, doesn't matter if you are connected 24/7 or for 10 seconds, the IP address is logged and saved for as long as the owner of the server wants it.
You could get a legal letter 3 years from now about a file you downloaded today, or 6 months ago, lol.

Thanks Tyson!
1000FTA 5/30/09

Ellesmeer · Jun 17th, 2009, 17:58

C/P

The word today is that the Viewtec Camp is set to release new beta files for N3 sometime today 6/17/09, these files have some temp freezing issue's that have been worked on for several days and the announcement is today they're finally ready for release to the general public.

Ellesmeer · Jul 9th, 2009, 14:36

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作者: wooded

原来的LNB已拆除,也换上线性的LNB，检查过也有TP11780H 20760 3/4，窝调了N次，信号可到85－90，但Q值一直为0. 什么原因？郁闷ing。请赐教！先谢谢了。

但Q值一直为0, 表示没有调准，或者调准了参数设置不对。继续调锅。

Ellesmeer · Jul 10th, 2009, 21:39

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作者: 爱因思念

我家也是viewset ultre，具体怎么弄能说说不？好久不能看了。昨天听朋友说再去买个什么东西，连接网络用的，230块钱，需要无线网络环境。

重新买receiver，nFusion的或者kBox的都行。

Ellesmeer · Aug 4th, 2009, 09:58

好像用nFusion的DN的国际频道绝大部分都可以看了，比如阿拉伯语，印度语的等，就是没有长城平台。有人知道怎麽回事吗？

Ellesmeer · Oct 6th, 2009, 11:47

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作者: 浪人情歌

我在国内用C波段收亚洲一号，还用过3米的天线，难道北美C波段LNB很贵？另外C波段免费台似乎很多，CCTV4也有C波段的。

用3米的天线？你家后院要够大，你还要用卡车把3米的天线能到你家后院，还要有支撑装置。另外，刮大风的时候，还不能刮走。

Ellesmeer · Oct 6th, 2009, 16:22

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作者: sunchem

总是收不到400网球频道,401和679,和广东,浙江.它们以前到能收到.其他的中文台到是都能收到.
我用的是36"椭圆锅,三个LNB.一个对91,一个110,一个对118.7和119.
风吹动了锅,参数我又瞎改了.记不得以前的设置了.
请问以下参数应该怎么设置:

LNB POWNER:...

For 91 & 110:
LNB POWNER: on
LNB TYPE : standard
LNB FREQ: 11250
LNB 22KHZ: off/auto

for 118.7 & 119
LNB POWNER: on
LNB TYPE : universal
LNB FREQ: 9750/10750 or 10600 (depending on your LNB)
LNB 22KHZ: off/auto

DiSEQC 1.0/1.1 (it is same in my case)

Ellesmeer · Dec 4th, 2009, 17:53

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作者: 不懂车

多钱呢，在哪里买的？跑了几家，都说缺货。好像Kbox现在很畅销！我在GTA。

C/P
Status Update,
Due to yesterday problem, nfusion is worried this may happen again,

They are in the process of fixing the problem so this type of ECM does not affect them again.

It is better for them to do this now than having to go thought this next week as it is something that can be easily done by the providers.

Stay tuned for more updates but I cannot give a timeline when service will be restored but do not expect to have much of a longer wait.

Ellesmeer · Jan 9th, 2010, 00:21

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作者: glasgow

看FTA节目
时钟
挡门用
镇纸
欢迎补充。。

当电子产品扔，可能还要送到指定的地点，并且还要付垃圾处理费。

Ellesmeer · Jan 13th, 2010, 15:47

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作者: 爱因思念

好嘛，正激动呢，一看你这个又泄气了。奶奶的

我已经放弃了FTA, 现在是legal Bell TV for english + HTPC for chinese.

May 17th, 2009, 19:48	#2
Ellesmeer Senior Member 注册日期: Nov 2005 帖子: 824 积分:5 精华:1 声望: 2615450	B3V TP参数据说是它的HD已转为8PSK，谁有这些转发器的详细参数？谢谢。

May 19th, 2009, 16:02	#5
Ellesmeer Senior Member 注册日期: Nov 2005 帖子: 824 积分:5 精华:1 声望: 2615450	关于IKS和S.U.N. C/P S.U.N.S This is NOT a sub card share. Yes they use "cards" and a "card server/ handler" but they do NOT use subbed cards. as a wise man once said it is emulation at its finest. nFusion has always been ahead of the game and always will be. just because you dont understand how they do it or what they are using to get the cw's back and forth in the data stream does not mean it is not possible to make it work. lets remember what is priority here and its not any B3V or DN channel. Its the longevity of the nFusion line. right now nFusion and any other stb capeable of using an ethernet post is going to be hit hard BUT look at what nfuision is doing? you make the nfusion line a set of media streaming servers, or be able to access a true FTA ch guide, or an iptv or all of the above you ensure the stability of the platform beyond FTA. how can they bacn a piece of hardware that is essence is no different than a pc or xbox? they cant. the IPPVR EVEN if it worked 100% is still related to sat signal, They are putting in more options that are no sat related so it does not just look like there is a token piece of software just for looks. nFusion is playing this one extremly well, if the providers are unable to prove the ethernet port is for the sole purpose of pirating TV then they will not have a leg to stand on.

Jun 17th, 2009, 17:58	#8
Ellesmeer Senior Member 注册日期: Nov 2005 帖子: 824 积分:5 精华:1 声望: 2615450	好消息？南瓜3已经玩完？ C/P The word today is that the Viewtec Camp is set to release new beta files for N3 sometime today 6/17/09, these files have some temp freezing issue's that have been worked on for several days and the announcement is today they're finally ready for release to the general public.

Jun 1st, 2009, 21:17	#7
Ellesmeer Senior Member 注册日期: Nov 2005 帖子: 824 积分:5 精华:1 声望: 2615450	It seems IKS is a solution of N3 for FTA C/P How does that reputation thingy work?? -------------- As stated above I K S and I C S are different forms with the same result. They both use internet connections to share "keys", but these are not the keys that "autoroll", they are called Control Word "keys" or CWs, each channel on each provider has its own CW that is valid for approx. 5 minutes, this CW is an 8 byte number, this 8 byte number is used to unscramble the digital Video/audio packets for the 1 channel, so everytime you change channels you need the Decrypted CW for that channel, and this is what I K S/I C S provides your receiver via the internet connection. The way a standalone bin works is that when you select a channel to view, the bin sends the Encrypted CW packet, found in "the stream" on that channel, to the "softcam" in the bin, the softcam Decrypts the CW packet and uses the Decrypted CW to unscramble the Video/audio for that channel. Softcam = a software duplicate of a DN or BEV smartcard, an N2 duplicate card at this time, because no one has been able to "open" an N3 card to get the information inside to make a software duplicate of it to use in a bin file. This is why there is no "N3 fix" bin. With I C S the receiver is connected directly to the shared N3 card, there is an interface that allows more than 1 receiver to connect to the one card, each receiver gets the Encrypted CW packet from "the stream" for the selected channel, it sends it to the shared card via the internet, then gets back the Decrypted CW via the internet to use to unscramble that channels Video/audio, so the shared card replaces the softcam in the bin file. I C S groups must be small and VERY private, because each user has direct access to the card, any of them can get the cards CAM ID, this ID leads directly back to the subbed account holders name and address, so DN would shut this account off and prosecute the account holder if possible, these groups would usually only be 10 to 20 users. I K S doesn't give users direct card access, they are connecting to a server that has all the channels listed by ID, with each channel ID is the latest decrypted CW for that channel, so the card is not being shared directly, the Decrypted CWs are being shared. The receiver still sends the Encrypted CW packet via the internet to the server, the server uses that packet to ID the channel, and sends back the Decrypted CW for that channel, the card is not involved in any of this. If the Encrypted packet has not been "seen" by the server before, so its a new CW, then the server will send that encrypted packet to another location, the card server, where it will be Decrypted by the Subbed N3 card then sent back to the User server to be saved and sent out to any user watching that channel. I K S setups have no limit on users, just the server limits, but more servers can be added to increase port capacity. As said above none of this is new, card sharing has been going on since the first smart cards were used in Europe. I K S is newer since it is only used if a large sharing group is wanted, the extra cost of servers just doesn't make sense with smaller goups. nFusion used I K S because FTA ECMs were occuring more and more often, by switching from standalone bins to an I K S setup they could use an N2 card(hacked) to avoid the "cardless" ECMs that were effecting standalone bins, it was a good selling point for their models. Any Subbed card based setup, I C S or I K S would, of course, only be able to provide Decrypted CWs for those channels that are paid for on that subscription, which is why PPVs and PPV adult channels are not available, some I C S groups do order PPV movies or Adult channels on a preset schedule, so users can record it for future viewing, everyone pays in these groups so that is doable, once every one agrees on the cost, with I K S the cost of PPV/adult channels would fall to the I KS provider, because there is no extra way to get money from the users, the cost of the monthly subscription would come from current sales, so not sure if doing once or twice a week PPV nights would be cost effective for them, but it would be doable, problem in that would be DN could get a limited idea of which sub accounts might be being used for the I K S, and each week of ordering PPVs on specific days would narrow down the I K S sub account until there were only a few targets left, this is the problem with public I K S setups, DN has full access to all info that is public, like PPV schedules, lol. Yes any internet use can be traced back to you, but this includes downloading bin files, the risk is always all yours, always has been. An IP address is forever, doesn't matter if you are connected 24/7 or for 10 seconds, the IP address is logged and saved for as long as the owner of the server wants it. You could get a legal letter 3 years from now about a file you downloaded today, or 6 months ago, lol. Thanks Tyson! 1000FTA 5/30/09

Aug 4th, 2009, 09:58	#11
Ellesmeer Senior Member 注册日期: Nov 2005 帖子: 824 积分:5 精华:1 声望: 2615450	好像用nFusion的DN的国际频道绝大部分都可以看了，比如阿拉伯语，印度语的等，就是没有长城平台。有人知道怎麽回事吗？