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旧 Dec 19th, 2012, 17:20     #1
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又是一个很好的例子, 亲自体会过才知道 BMW 为什么称自己为 ultimate driving machine.

欧洲车无论在动力, 操控, 底盘, 刹车远比其它车优秀的多. 这里说的操控就是一种感觉, 一种随心所欲 in-control 的感觉. 不是从纸上的数字, 某些统计, 或者读某些杂志上的测试文章所能知道的东西.

后驱和四驱感觉很不一样. 上了四驱的话, 重心变高, 车更重, 动力损耗大 (这个在本来引擎不强的车上更明显), 换线和转弯时转向不足. 简单的说, 后驱换成四驱的话, 你会觉得动力下降一些, 而且车没那么灵活了.

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旧 Dec 19th, 2012, 17:36     #2
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I know that one, it's so hilarious!

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旧 Dec 19th, 2012, 20:36     #3
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楼主开BMW 116i,只有114马力,就很满意了,IS250都有204马力了,难道挂一个BMW牌子,114马力就要翻倍算了?
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旧 Dec 19th, 2012, 20:38     #4
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你的那个是老印象。
老印象中, CTS 被称为 rocket on a shopping cart。
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旧 Dec 19th, 2012, 23:28     #5
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是啊 最近看了一些论坛,是有点怕德国车3,4年后的毛病。。。不然就直接买328了。
所以我的问题就是有没有类似1系的操控但是质量更稳定的?

不过我觉得BRZ之类也不适合我 毕竟也不是小伙子天天街头彪。。。
看了Mini Cooper 可是内饰实在是太潮了。。。

不知道infiniti, acur...
你就买 328. 128 吧,其它车的操控感觉跟 BMW 比始终相差多多少少。至于维护,没觉得那么可怕,起码没有这里其他人遇到的什么 engine light, brakes, cooling, transmission, steering 的这些机械和电子问题。

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我那辆也就我特别喜欢它,3 系5系跟它比就是 boring。大部分人不会喜欢的,太偏重操控性能,不够豪华和舒适,长途开起来比较累。
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说说纯个人体会

116i 150以内加速有力,没感觉比v6差,150以上有点吃力,不过对我没影响

关键是那个车开到200 心里都不慌 方向盘很稳 车一点都不飘 高速转弯轻松+精准

当然这些是和我的toyota经验比较

至于空间,取车时感觉小,因为车比较矮,但是坐进去一点没有感...
德国车都是外面看起来小,立面空间大,设计合理,腿能伸直,而且视野好。

车的座椅很讲究,是 being sporty 的一个重要环节,把身体舒服的包在里面,转弯时提供侧面的支撑,加速和刹车时也提供很好的支撑,才会开起来不知不觉的顺手。
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Highlander或佳美这类以舒适性和通用性为主的家庭车和宝马1系或IS250这类以操控性,驾驶乐趣为主的运动型车是不同类的。

也就是说,操控性和舒适性是有一定矛盾的,不过现在有一种车身主动控制系统(Active Body Control),可以兼顾这两方面的需求,但是一般装载在很高档的车上...
你长期开过 BMW 吗? Lexus IS, GS 的操控感差远了,开起来没有路感,或者说很模糊,车底盘反应也慢,根本谈不上精确随心所欲的控制。

不要以为杂志测试的结果跟 BMW 的结果接近就说明开起来感觉一样,那就大错特错了。杂志测出来的极限情况下配上专业车手开出来的成绩,完全不能说明实际驾驶的感觉。 It is not how fast you drive, but how you drive fast.

而且 BMW 始终是高档车,舒适性非常高,不比其它高档车差。贵在它在尽可能不牺牲舒适的情况下还能提供清晰的随心所欲的操控感。市场上没有什么车能比它更舒适,但是操控比它还好的。
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这个还是你个人感觉问题,你觉得BMW能解决操控性和舒适性的矛盾,那是你的看法。

我有时看些汽车评测文章,就操控性方面,凌志还是很不错的,有些评测觉得综合性能比宝马还好,比如这个。
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/.../1206_six_cyli...
我没说这个矛盾可以解决,但是 BMW 找到一个很好的平衡点,这方面是它最大的特点。

别停留在看杂志了,还什么综合性能评分,学学 LZ 还有其他人,拿自己的经验说话。

你就真这么喜欢 Toyota/lexus?
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日系车 也就nissan infiniti 能开

其他车都飘,包括Lexus在内

要说高速过弯,最猛的是audi,你开说S5试试,抓地性bmw都比不了。

你要是实在考虑修理问题的话,我看买328合适,比5系列毛病少很多。

质量上3系还是bmw比较强的产品。
Nissan 和 Infiniti 感觉还不错。S5 有防滑差速器,BMW 的 M 系列还有我的 MINI 有机械防滑差速器的,一样很爽。
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我有个挂在自己名下的328XI,侄儿回中国长假,俺就天天开去上班, 算有些感觉。

刮大风后的一周, 跟BOSS去ALBANY出差, 租了个Infinity G37,来回开了千多公里中间还偷跑了一次Woodbury outlet, 走了不少山路, 感觉“操控性”和“舒适性”不输328, 跑长途似...
Infiniti 的车也比较注重操控, 所以这时要看具体车的动力, 车的悬挂配置, 和试车时的轮胎, 否则没办法客观评论哪辆车的操控更好.

从动力上讲, G37 跟 328i 不是一个动力级别的, 动力比 328xi 强多了. 一个是 330hp,一个是 230hp.  德国车引擎只是当同一个级别上时的引擎动力更好些. 另外, 328xi 如果没有配 sports suspension 的话 (一般没有), 操控也会弱不少.

你应该拿 G37 跟一辆 335i sports 比较才对. 但是起码都比 Toyota/Lexus 的车操控好多了.
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最早做ABC的肯定是雪铁龙啊,小时候记得老爹朋友的雪铁龙后悬挂可以升降的。

还有劳斯莱斯。不过那些基本都是基本的高度调整而已,而且都是几十年前的了。

TOYOTA/LEXUS主要是近做了1991 Toyota Soarer had a fully active hydraulic suspens...
我知道 90 年代的 Mercedes S 就有悬挂升降的功能, 那个时候我家里有辆崭新的白色 Mercedes S320, 听过我爸说车上了高速后, 底盘会自动降低, 非常稳. 可惜当时我对车的概念为零, 模糊中只记得车的内饰好像是木头的, 很高档, 自动车窗很神奇, 关上后很紧, 隔音非常好, 门外面说话我都听不清, 还有就是车门很厚重, 音响很好.

我觉得 ABC 对于跑高速长途的用处比较大, 底盘越低车越稳.
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楼歪的严重啊

本来就是问大家推荐116i 328i 同类的车的 现在还没个头绪...

貌似只有G25靠边吧
人生苦短,要买就买能负担的最好的,就买 128i/328i 吧,或者 135i/335i。
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328i不够安静,感觉不像滴勒索的那么好,就335i 吧.
说实话, 我觉得新的 328i 引擎声音不如 BMW E39/E46/E90 底盘用的 M54B30/N52B30 自然进气引擎好听.

新的引擎在转速高和油门打开时, 声音稍微有点嘈杂, 不如过去的低沉平滑的 purrrrr.
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你做他女朋友就可以了
谈论华风是女的???
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造谣。快过节了,他人来疯。


没问题, 你需要的话, 我有空可以带你找 dealer 看车和试车.
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Have been using 2008 335i E90 for 2.5 months and about 6000km (cannot stop driving it), so much fun and totally different experiance comparing to Janpanese and US car. Even it is not sport package, i can feel the solid platform and the endless power. Actaully i like no-sport better as sport is too firm for me (maybe later i will like it), i think E90 no-sport is the perfect combination of performance and comfort.
Well said.

It's a whole new world and you are just experiencing the tip of the iceberg.
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Have you fixed the washer fluid leak yet? How about RWD in snow/on icy roads? And please don't say you cannot stop driving because that credit belongs...
Just leave the Toyota drivers alone.. Westend will come and haunt you.
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人生苦短,劝你不要这样去做,纯粹遭罪。

随便和你说个身边的例子,朋友有辆07年的Q7,现在就是带病开着了,右后轮震动,dealer 说没事,找别家维修铺,都说修不了,只能将就着开了,你自己能搞定吗?

朋友也想和你一样想学着自己做一些简单的维护,可没想到,就是换个机油,和普通车不一样。
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他就不该买Q7,我的BMW 这些问题都没出现过,BMW 论坛上也没听说过。BMW 的油滤在 engine bay 的正上方,36mm socket, 一分钟就下来了。
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