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旧 Aug 26th, 2007, 18:59   只看该作者   #21
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谢谢19楼的回答.
但靠我一点收入先做一个样品谈何容易.谁都知道这是个高科技产品.
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旧 Aug 26th, 2007, 19:05   只看该作者   #22
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NEWS RELEASE
Jul 05 2007

Tantalus Secures $20 Million in Equity Financing
Investment to Accelerate Product Development
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Vancouver, BC – July 5, 2007 – Tantalus Systems Corp. (“Tantalus” or “the Company”) announces that it has raised $20 million CAD in equity proceeds via a private placement to a consortium of international institutional funds led by two major European investors. Proceeds from the financing will be used to accelerate product development of Smart Grid applications and market expansion.

“This funding represents a tremendous vote of confidence for Tantalus and a strong endorsement of our technology,” said Dr. Dominic Geraghty, the Company’s President & CEO. “The investors recognize the bright future for Advanced Metering, Distribution Automation and Demand Response – the cornerstones of the Smart Grid – and the distinct value that TUNet® (Tantalus Utility Network) brings to its distribution utility customers.”

National Bank Financial Inc. acted as exclusive agent for the offering and placed the Tantalus shares with institutional investors in Europe, Canada and the United States.

Since its launch in 2004, TUNet has emerged as a top-tier Advanced Metering Infrastructure (AMI) solution with sales to utilities across the U.S. and Canada, and business alliances with providers of complementary technologies. The ability of TUNet to remotely monitor and control devices such as meters within a utility’s distribution grid in real-time as well as automate key maintenance processes puts it at the forefront of the revolution in energy management. TUNet is designed to help utilities distribute, monitor and control energy more intelligently.

“The utility industry is in a state of profound change,” said John McEwen, Tantalus’ Chair and President & co-CEO of Discovery Capital, a long-standing investor in the Company. “Increasing costs for power, an aging grid and workforce, and a growing emphasis on conservation are driving adoption of Smart Grid technologies. Utilities in most countries, states and provinces are actively investigating smart metering programs, the first stage in the development of the Smart Grid. In many jurisdictions, the programs have already been mandated. Backing by some of the world’s foremost institutional funds confirms the potential for technologies in this sector – estimated to be in the tens of billions of dollars – and the important role it will play in the way energy is monitored, managed and valued.”

Last year was highlighted by key sales wins across North America including commitments for full deployment of TUNet at several utilities. New applications for Commercial & Industrial metering, and multi-commodity electric, water and gas metering were well received by customers. The Company and its customers also earned awards for innovations in advanced metering, adding to a long list of industry commendations.

Geraghty added that the investment capital provides Tantalus the extra financial capability to launch a full suite of AMI, Distribution Automation and Demand Response products, which provide utilities and consumers with the data and the tools to better manage energy resources.

“Tantalus is already ahead of the curve in developing Smart Grid applications,” he said. “We are now in a position to further accelerate the process and deliver a strong and complete family of products. The new investors, alongside our original investors, share a belief that these technologies can revolutionize the way energy is managed, and that Tantalus has the vision, team and products in place to be the leading player in this industry.”

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About Tantalus
Tantalus designs, manufactures, and markets two-way, real-time data communications networks to monitor and control electric, gas, and water utilities. TUNet® – the Tantalus Utility Network – is a single, multi-purpose communications backbone specifically designed to help utilities automate their distribution infrastructure. Tantalus’ long-range wireless networks unite a utility’s applications, making advanced metering, outage management, power quality monitoring, load management, and distribution automation cost-effective and practical throughout both urban and rural service areas.
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旧 Aug 26th, 2007, 19:09   只看该作者   #23
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You can check their Website. They are doing the same thing. It is not a new tech...
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旧 Aug 26th, 2007, 19:53   只看该作者   #24
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个人觉得没有人会赞助的,因为这样的产品已经太多了,我记得90年代初就已经有了,而你还没有做出来,也没有什么特殊优势。我记得二十多年前我研究过,利用电力载波传送数据,单片机控制,而且可以分时调整不同计费率,还有防窃电功能,中央管理计算机远程统计打印并可以远程遥控修改各个电表单元,还可以直接控制断电如果...
谢谢17楼的回答.
您讲的内容我都知道,80、90年代也为上海石化、航天等开发过一些高精度全自动设备,其中都用了软硬件自己设计开发的单板机,我这个网上自动抄表系统及表计也都包含您说的全部功能.
恕我冒昧说一句,您说的这种思维方法是企图用己有科技知识无机的堆积在一起来试图解决抄表问题,这里可能存在一些问题:直观性和认同度、可靠性(环节越多元部件越多成熟技术越少)、价格、水表及燃气表又如何解决......,这对搞民航飞机设计人的习惯来说是非常忌讳的.
我心中的抄表系统,抄一个表(不论电表水表煤气表等)成本只化一分钱人民币,当然这不包括缴费单纸的费用.我深信能够实现,因此,我目的就是找投资开发人,您有门道吗?
但您是个行家,应好好向您学习.
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旧 Aug 26th, 2007, 20:10   只看该作者   #25
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22楼的朋友,我的英语水平非常可怜,请您用中文对话好吗?谢谢您!
我只想知道,您认同我的技术吗?是有生命力吗?会有人投资开发吗?
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旧 Aug 26th, 2007, 22:04   只看该作者   #26
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22楼的朋友,我的英语水平非常可怜,请您用中文对话好吗?谢谢您!
我只想知道,您认同我的技术吗?是有生命力吗?会有人投资开发吗?
估计难度很大,我知道起码多伦多都刚刚换了数字式新表,有无线超表功能,他们正在建城市范围内的无线系统,好像明年还是后年就开始联网使用了。
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旧 Aug 26th, 2007, 22:31   只看该作者   #27
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如果成本仅几百块,那你何不先做一个样品证明你产品的可靠和先进性,这样才可能有人赞助。
It's easy先做一个样品(成本仅几百块)。
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谢谢19楼的回答.
但靠我一点收入先做一个样品谈何容易.谁都知道这是个高科技产品.
我不觉得这是高科技,20年前就有了,而且已经有现成产品了,如果你产品已经有成功应用背景的话,那么下一步关键是如何突破垄断性行业的缺口。如果你还没有产品,那么估计没人赞助的,因为没有潜在实力应用背景、技术优势和技术积累。
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旧 Aug 26th, 2007, 23:11   只看该作者   #29
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旧 Aug 26th, 2007, 23:36   只看该作者   #30
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谢谢您提供的消息,不过,抄电表可以实现无线联网,水表和煤气表也要无线联网?岂不它们也要有备用电池才行,总之,这种抄表都太复杂了.
我的抄表系流要简单得多,直观得多,也可靠得多,所以(估计)抄一个表(不论电表水表煤气表等)成本只化一分钱人民币就够了.
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旧 Aug 26th, 2007, 23:40   只看该作者   #31
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估计难度很大,我知道起码多伦多都刚刚换了数字式新表,有无线超表功能,他们正在建城市范围内的无线系统,好像明年还是后年就开始联网使用了。...
谢谢您提供的消息,不过,抄电表可以实现无线联网,水表和煤气表也要无线联网?岂不它们也要有备用电池才行,总之,这种抄表都太复杂了.
我的抄表系流要简单得多,直观得多,也可靠得多,所以(估计)抄一个表(不论电表水表煤气表等)成本只化一分钱人民币就够了.
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旧 Aug 27th, 2007, 00:09   只看该作者   #32
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这间公司就是干这个的。 刚刚得到2000万的投资。你可以查他们的网站。祝你好运。。。




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我只想知道,您认同我的技术吗?是有生命力吗?会有人投资开发吗?
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旧 Aug 27th, 2007, 00:31   只看该作者   #33
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我不觉得这是高科技,20年前就有了,而且已经有现成产品了,如果你产品已经有成功应用背景的话,那么下一步关键是如何突破垄断性行业的缺口。如果你还没有产品,那么估计没人赞助的,因为没有潜在实力应用背景、技术优势和技术积累。...
我想我的产品和您说的20年前就有的产品是不一样的,您的可能不是高科技,我的产品是高科技,靠我一点收入做一个样品不太现实.
您说的20年前就有的产品用一台电脑就能够一秒钟远程抄一只表(电表水表煤气表等)?成本费也只化一分钱人民币吗?我见识少,请您能否告知一二,先谢谢您了,不知道它申请了专利没有,至少我从专利文献中没查到过和我相同的产品.
我还想再问一下,我的网上抄表系统和表计真的能够实现我上述功能,肯定没人会投资开发吗?
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这间公司就是干这个的。 刚刚得到2000万的投资。你可以查他们的网站。祝你好运。。。...
真不知道该如何谢谢您,可惜我英语不行,无法沟通,不知道他们公司中有华人吗?我女儿工作又忙,请问:我如何和他们联系为好,我现在正在加拿大,但不是温哥华,温哥华太美了,半月前去玩过.
能再帮帮我吗?事成之后肯定会给您不菲的酬劳,这可是每年获利数亿美元甚至更多的好事,这方面我都作过分析.
再次谢谢!加拿大同业公司
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冷水泼得好,谢谢!我思想早就准备好会是这样,因为我太了解我们的祖国了,要不然科技为什么老跟在发达国家后面跑呢!您就道出了其中的真缔!!!
你说:利用手机基站网络远程收集数据,我认为何必这么复杂呢,这样抄表成本也不会低,还有肓区,水表煤气表这么办,也得配上电池,它们也许都得配上简易手机,而利用率每月也只发送一次,也不敢说凡是有三表的地方都可以抄得上表…….
我还是非常感谢您的.
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旧 Aug 27th, 2007, 01:37   只看该作者   #36
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真不知道该如何谢谢您,可惜我英语不行,无法沟通,不知道他们公司中有华人吗?我女儿工作又忙,请问:我如何和他们联系为好,我现在正在加拿大,但不是温哥华,温哥华太美了,半月前去玩过.
能再帮帮我吗?事成之后肯定会给您不菲的酬劳,这可是每年获利数亿美元甚至更多的好事,这方面我都作过分析.
再次谢谢!加...
你所描述的系统功能,主要看来是软件的事情,我搜集得资料看来,安省估计是Itron的系统为主。所以软件的事情就不用太考虑了。即使开发,也只需要作出一个接口即可。

从一分钱抄表的角度来讲,或许你在硬件方面有些独到的方式。国内倒是有厂家对于数据传送的新方式感兴趣。比如认识一家作电力载波的,扩频方式,但是由于国内的电磁干扰问题以及跨越变压器问题,产品也实用化不了。如果你的方式不错,国内倒是有人或许感兴趣加入。作为用户方,抄表成本是事关系统生命的,这也是国内电力系统钟情电力载波的原因:其他系统都必须向第三方缴纳不菲的数据传送费用。

相信您所描述的功能,并不是你想要用来融资的技术核心,因为那些基本的抄读功能,任何一家小公司都可以做到。“完全实时抄读到表显数据,成本一分”,这个数据传送的核心问题没有展开。这个一分是每次的?如果用户十万,每天要抄,或者每周,这个累加成本也是无法接受的。

你能够把数据传输成本降到比其他任何方式都低一分钱,市场就是你的。

或许这个技术秘诀,就是一句话说破就不值钱了的,所以您才遮遮掩掩?

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如何是要能说服安省采购,现在还是各个市镇垄断,软件开发不太可能
硬件(电表)还是有可能向中国购买,因为现在的问题是成本太高
大约人民币7000到1万一个,在中国是不可能推广的,在加拿大就没有问题
因为政府大约负担1/3,其他分摊到用户身上,每月租表费7元。
我不懂硬件,软件的实现很简单。以前...
非常感谢。
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默认

若干年前,我在国内做过这个项目的调研论证工作, 这个项目的关键在于有一个可靠的
而切容易改造的通讯方式, 主要研究了当时国内外的电力线载波, 我做过很多这方面的实验,
有国内的芯片,也有国外INTERON的, 效果都不理想, 一个是通不过变压器,另一个是电力
线上各种感性负载很复杂, 一个大功率空调甚至电梯的运行都会把信号严重衰减。

楼主说的网络抄表,那怎样连到以太网上? 232口或485口最终还是要连接到互联网上才能
从网络上抄表。
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默认 请问lz,做样机只需要几百加币?

那需要多长时间完成样机?如果有人投资给开发,知识产权怎么算?
如果真的象你说得这么简单,应该用到国内去。
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旧 Aug 27th, 2007, 10:07   只看该作者   #40
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默认

楼主至今都不肯透露如何解决数据远程通讯和表头的电源供给。
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