【讨论】what do you think of Canada's legal system

[moccafirst]

2 cases, one is the most famous accused serial killer in Canada, Pickton, say if Jurors can't be convinced that Pickton is the killer of each woman(total 6 counts), then they must acquit, that means Pickton will walk away freely.

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/st...89b8b3&k=60799

the other is a famer who killed his severely disabled daughter for everybody's sake 14 years ago, who is rejected to be released by parole board because he insists it was the best thing he could do for his daughter.

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/na...d5bb63&k=20706

my question - what is JUSTICE?

[iga]

作者: moccafirst

2 cases, one is the most famous accused serial killer in Canada, Pickton, say if Jurors can't be convinced that Pickton is the killer of each woman(to...

干就干大的.杀一个人人家说你是混蛋;拿机枪突突,人家说俺们这个社区有这个那个问题,没有照顾好你这个需要关怀的可怜人.

[老总]

作者: moccafirst

2 cases, one is the most famous accused serial killer in Canada, Pickton, say if Jurors can't be convinced that Pickton is the killer of each woman(to...

看出法律和正义并不是一回事了八，同情是不能影响到司法结果的，同样民愤也不能。
至少法律还有他的独立性。

[bmx]

作者: moccafirst

the other is a famer who killed his severely disabled daughter for everybody's sake 14 years ago, who is rejected to be released by parole board because he insists it was the best thing he could do for his daughter.

Tiffany Pinckney’s death was even more shocking. She was deliberately starved to death!

Three other cases:

Richard Wills’s case. This patently incredible, absolutely clear case dragged on for more than five years before going to trial! And this millionaire ex-cop had signed over all his estate and pension to his ex-wife after his arrest and applied for legal aid. The taxpayers had to pay for his over $1 million lawyer’s bill!

Charles Smith’s case. This so-called top pediatric forensic pathologist in the country had erred in 20 cases in which people were wrongly convicted or charged. Many people’s lives had been turned totally upside down by his mistakes!

O'Neil Grant’s case. This landed immigrant from Jamaica spent more than 5 years in jail and was found not guilty by a jury later. Then he’s deported to Jamaica for no good reason. He was gunned down in Jamaica 5 years after his deportation. “The whole saga of O'Neil Grant is one of cruelty and unfairness,” said one lawyer.

[bank]

皮克腾的命运是凶多吉少。

昨天，陪审团在闭门讨论了六天以后还没有达成一致。但是他们提出了一个问题：如果不能确定是皮克腾亲自杀的人，他或许只是参与了，他算不算杀人？法官说算！那就是说，他杀人的定义远远扩大了。

[rickhorn]

作者: bank

皮克腾的命运是凶多吉少。

昨天，陪审团在闭门讨论了六天以后还没有达成一致。但是他们提出了一个问题：如果不能确定是皮克腾亲自杀的人，他或许只是参与了，他算不算杀人？法官说算！那就是说，他杀人的定义远远扩大了。

匹克腾老农民，参与杀人难道不是杀人啊？

[bank]

作者: rickhorn

匹克腾老农民，参与杀人难道不是杀人啊？

今天定案了，有罪。但是是二级谋杀罪。二级谋杀最早可以蹲十年监狱假释。但是六条人命就是终生监禁了。而且，后面还有二十条人命案等着他泥。他这辈子是出不来了。只可怜我们纳税人还要为他买单。

[bmx]

作者: bmx

Charles Smith’s case. This so-called top pediatric forensic pathologist in the country had erred in 20 cases in which people were wrongly convicted or charged. Many people’s lives had been turned totally upside down by his mistakes!

He says sorry and admits profound ignorance of justice system today.

http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/298076

[moccafirst]

作者: bmx

He says sorry and admits profound ignorance of justice system today.

http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/298076

this idiot, i am wondering if there is any legal responsibililty he is gonna take, which i think he should.

[bmx]

作者: moccafirst

this idiot, i am wondering if there is any legal responsibililty he is gonna take, which i think he should.

A laywer said yesterday that parents and relatives affected by Smith's mistakes will be looking for more than just another apology.

But Lianne Thibeault, who lost custody of her second child after her first child died, said nothing Smith could possibly make up for what her family went through.

We will see...

[moccafirst]

作者: bmx

A laywer said yesterday that parents and relatives affected by Smith's mistakes will be looking for more than just another apology.

But Lianne Th...

i am pretty sure the idiot will get away with it, let's see

[bmx]

作者: bmx

Tiffany Pinckney’s death was even more shocking. She was deliberately starved to death!

Tiffany Pinckney's adoptive sister, Cox, was convicted today of manslaughter in her death. She will be sentenced soon.

[bmx]

作者: bmx

Richard Wills’s case. This patently incredible, absolutely clear case dragged on for more than five years before going to trial! And this millionaire ex-cop had signed over all his estate and pension to his ex-wife after his arrest and applied for legal aid. The taxpayers had to pay for his over $1 million lawyer’s bill!

"Legal Aid Ontario failed, and the Ontario taxpayers lost, so did the Ontario justice system."

Now the government wants its money back: The province has filed a civil suit against Wills, his ex-wife, and his sister.

http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/307296

[bmx]

作者: bank

而且，后面还有二十条人命案等着他泥。

Pickton may not face trial in 20 more deaths.

http://www.thestar.com/article/307053

[moccafirst]

作者: bmx

Pickton may not face trial in 20 more deaths.

http://www.thestar.com/article/307053

“VANCOUVER–Some family members of 20 women Robert Pickton is accused of killing have been told there likely won't be a second murder trial if the serial killer loses an appeal of his first conviction.”

i think it makes sense, he's already got life sentense and adding more conviction of murder is not going to put him on death penalty! therefore, the second trial will be just wasting taxpayer's money!!! what kinda of justice those families are looking for? The details of how their beloved got killed? I sometimes just don't understand how those people think. If they do care about their family, why didn't they give more attention to the victims when they were alive(pretty much all victims are prostitues on Hasting)?

of course, the most disappointing part of this case is the legal system here. i don't really know what's there for.

[bmx]

作者: moccafirst

“VANCOUVER–Some family members of 20 women Robert Pickton is accused of killing have been told there likely won't be a second murder trial if the seri...

Totally agree!

He's already a lifer, the maximum sentence allowed in Canada. Adding more counts of charges makes no difference to him. But to the government, the justice system and all the taxpayers, it makes huge difference. It would be a story about WASTE.

BTW, there's no death penalty in Canada.

[moccafirst]

作者: bmx

Totally agree!

He's already a lifer, the maximum sentence allowed in Canada. Adding more counts of charges makes no difference to him. But to the...

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yeah i know there is no death penalty in canada, that's why i said so.

i remember another news i watched a couple weeks ago, a canadian convicted first degree murder and received death penalty in the US, and conservative government said they would not get him back to Canada, you know what, that convicted killer was complaining about it on TV, saying that he's abandoned by his mother country, what's even more insane is that some NDP idiots were attacking the government not doing anything about it. Give me a break, why would we?

[bmx]

作者: moccafirst

why would we?

This had been Canada’s policy on the issue of death penalty for decades, though the conservative government now stops doing so. Canada used to seek clemency, which means commutation, not extradition, for its citizens facing the death penalty abroad. Canada also has the right to decline extradition of foreigh suspects to their countries where they may face the death penalty.

You're talking about Ronald Smith’s case, aren’t you? That trash, he killed two young men who offered him a ride as he hitchhiked just because he wanted to know what it would be like to kill someone. What a trash!

In this particular case, my heart doesn’t go out to Smith, but to the conservative government.

He was sentenced to death 26 years ago in the U.S. when he was 26. Now he’s 50, and is still alive. Thank Canada’s constant lobbying for more than a decade for his life to be spared. He should have been satisfied.

However, It’s kind of hypocrisy for Canada to stop seeking clemency for Canadian citizens on death row in other countries while continuingly refuse to extradite foreign criminals to their countries where they may face the same punishment. And what if a Canadian citizen was sentenced to death in China, which is not considered a democratic country? Whould the government intervene?

[bmx]

作者: moccafirst

the other is a famer who killed his severely disabled daughter for everybody's sake 14 years ago, who is rejected to be released by parole board because he insists it was the best thing he could do for his daughter.

He got day parole yesterday. http://www.thestar.com/article/307536

The parole appeal board has overturned its own decision made about two months ago.

[moccafirst]

作者: bmx

This had been Canada’s policy on the issue of death penalty for decades, though the conservative government now stops doing so. Canada used to seek cl...

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