【原创】试谈太极拳如何才能对抗拳击

big bird · Jan 8th, 2010, 17:05

-孫存周隨孫禄堂練了3年形意便行走江湖.
-鄭曼青本是一個文弱書生,隨楊澄甫練了數年便成為大家.
-李小龍隨葉問練了5年詠春,30歲前便享譽國際.

資質+訓練+明師=成就?

但在過去20-30年間少林寺和陳家溝和體院都有條件訓練全職運動員,培訓時間不少於其他外國的,何以沒有超級高手?
陳至誠是鄭曼青的入室弟子,擅長搏擊,也強調體能訓練.他的兒子Max從小練太極,然後練拳擊.他的戰果普通.

是失傳了!

big bird · Jan 8th, 2010, 21:00

孫存周功夫不如孫禄堂是事實,但他1912提黃背包出遊6年,未逢敵手.

李小龍父親懂太极，但不知道他的水平.李小龍有說他跟父親學太极？
一個太极高手會去學詠春？李小龍的功夫有太极的影子?
李小龍是actor?not fighter?

如這3人不是高手,那麼就沒有必要討論.

big bird · Jan 9th, 2010, 04:26

Chuck Norris:
1966: Won the National Winter Karate Championships in San Jose
1966: Won the All-Star Championship Tournament in Los Angeles, California
1967: Won American Tang Soo Do Championship in Stockton, California
1967: Won the World Karate Middleweight Title in Long Beach, California
1967: Won National Tang So Do Tournament in Silver Spring, Maryland
1967: Won All American Karate Championships
1968: Won the Internationals (Dallas, Texas)
1968: Won All-American Karate Championships in New York defeating 13 opponents
1968: Won the National Tournament of Champions in Cleveland, Ohio
1969: Won The Internationals
1970: Won All Star Teams Championship in Long Beach, California

Chuck Norris was Bruce's student. Bruce was guest of honour in the Long Beach, California championship event and he had a phenomenal demonstration. He fought many people in HK along with his mates like William Cheung and Wong Shun Leung and they were all fighters, not actors.

No need to discuss if Jean-Claude Van Damme, Tony Jaa or Steven Seagal is a fighter of not, this is not related to our discussions.

big bird · Jan 9th, 2010, 04:28

引用:

作者: witty

咏春拳与太极拳的劲路其实相差不大。

REALLY? REALLY? REALLY?

big bird · Jan 9th, 2010, 04:41

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作者: fantaichi

但是太极拳对他的影响绝对是很大的。这一点你可以从这段interview里面看到。当谈到chinese boxing的时候，他首先提起太极拳，而且很明显是非常引以为豪的。

He never said he learnt Tai Chi in the interview. He only responded to the interviewer's question about Chinese Shadow Boxing (太极拳) by showing a few moves.

He never said he was greatly influenced by 太极拳 in any way.

big bird · Jan 9th, 2010, 05:08

其實你們最大的本事是將討論帶離題.

我想說的是:
1.資質+訓練+明師=成就.孫存周,鄭曼青,李小龍都是很好的例子.
2.為什麼少林寺和陳家溝和體院不能訓練超級高手？

是不是失傳了？

big bird · Jan 9th, 2010, 10:41

如果你教兒子一天太極,他成為武術高手後,你也可以說他是受太極拳影響.
截拳道的'截'跟太极拳理是相反的,所以是負影響!

李小龍是一個哲學家，道家(道家哲學不等於太极拳)影響他的武術哲學並不奇怪.
事實上李小龍直接深受道家太极哲學的影響,截拳道是建立在道家太极陰陽的基礎上.

雖然這是離題了，但它仍是一好文章.
http://blog.yam.com/chaindrive8132/article/13797785
文章中忽略了李小龍隨依魯山度學兩節棍的事實.

big bird · Jan 14th, 2010, 21:19

太極可以像這樣打:猪木對阿里

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6Bu5Ki4DHo

big bird · Jan 15th, 2010, 12:30

1.敬佩witty尋真理的精神,為太極實戰找出路.
2.但方法錯了.太極反對'组合攻防'的概念.
3.即使'组合攻防'可行,也不是太極方法.
4.太極是'舍己從人',太極'無定法'.
5.'太極实战应用理论'也不是'空白',是'粘黏連隨'.
6.可以'粘黏連隨'便可以不敗.
7.吳公儀也做不到'粘黏連隨'.
8.所以是'不能也',非'不為也'.

big bird · Jan 15th, 2010, 13:46

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作者: smilejohn

我只是想说，传统武术不会失传，总是会有人传承下去的，但不是我们都能见的到。我们在外面所看到见到的太极拳只是其中的一小部分，而且是经过了大众化和普及化，主要以健身养生为目的...

他們都在深山?自欺欺人!

big bird · Jan 15th, 2010, 14:24

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作者: sunday

我对太极听劲一说持怀疑态度。...

所以前提條件是必須有超級條件反射能力才可以成就超級太極拳手!

big bird · Jan 25th, 2010, 21:56

中国(太極)和日本武术追求由武入道,同外拳是殊途殊归.

Jan 8th, 2010, 17:05	#1
big bird Senior Member 注册日期: Sep 2009 帖子: 543	-孫存周隨孫禄堂練了3年形意便行走江湖. -鄭曼青本是一個文弱書生,隨楊澄甫練了數年便成為大家. -李小龍隨葉問練了5年詠春,30歲前便享譽國際. 資質+訓練+明師=成就? 但在過去20-30年間少林寺和陳家溝和體院都有條件訓練全職運動員,培訓時間不少於其他外國的,何以沒有超級高手? 陳至誠是鄭曼青的入室弟子,擅長搏擊,也強調體能訓練.他的兒子Max從小練太極,然後練拳擊.他的戰果普通. 是失傳了! 此帖于 Jan 8th, 2010 18:05 被 big bird 编辑。
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Jan 8th, 2010, 21:00	#2
big bird Senior Member 注册日期: Sep 2009 帖子: 543 声望: 0	孫存周功夫不如孫禄堂是事實,但他1912提黃背包出遊6年,未逢敵手. 李小龍父親懂太极，但不知道他的水平.李小龍有說他跟父親學太极？一個太极高手會去學詠春？李小龍的功夫有太极的影子? 李小龍是actor?not fighter? 如這3人不是高手,那麼就沒有必要討論.
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Jan 9th, 2010, 04:26	#3
big bird Senior Member 注册日期: Sep 2009 帖子: 543 声望: 0	Bruce Lee is not a fighter? Chuck Norris: 1966: Won the National Winter Karate Championships in San Jose 1966: Won the All-Star Championship Tournament in Los Angeles, California 1967: Won American Tang Soo Do Championship in Stockton, California 1967: Won the World Karate Middleweight Title in Long Beach, California 1967: Won National Tang So Do Tournament in Silver Spring, Maryland 1967: Won All American Karate Championships 1968: Won the Internationals (Dallas, Texas) 1968: Won All-American Karate Championships in New York defeating 13 opponents 1968: Won the National Tournament of Champions in Cleveland, Ohio 1969: Won The Internationals 1970: Won All Star Teams Championship in Long Beach, California Chuck Norris was Bruce's student. Bruce was guest of honour in the Long Beach, California championship event and he had a phenomenal demonstration. He fought many people in HK along with his mates like William Cheung and Wong Shun Leung and they were all fighters, not actors. No need to discuss if Jean-Claude Van Damme, Tony Jaa or Steven Seagal is a fighter of not, this is not related to our discussions. 此帖于 Jan 9th, 2010 05:09 被 big bird 编辑。
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Jan 9th, 2010, 05:08	#6
big bird Senior Member 注册日期: Sep 2009 帖子: 543 声望: 0	其實你們最大的本事是將討論帶離題. 我想說的是: 1.資質+訓練+明師=成就.孫存周,鄭曼青,李小龍都是很好的例子. 2.為什麼少林寺和陳家溝和體院不能訓練超級高手？是不是失傳了？
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Jan 9th, 2010, 10:41	#7
big bird Senior Member 注册日期: Sep 2009 帖子: 543 声望: 0	如果你教兒子一天太極,他成為武術高手後,你也可以說他是受太極拳影響. 截拳道的'截'跟太极拳理是相反的,所以是負影響! 李小龍是一個哲學家，道家(道家哲學不等於太极拳)影響他的武術哲學並不奇怪. 事實上李小龍直接深受道家太极哲學的影響,截拳道是建立在道家太极陰陽的基礎上. 雖然這是離題了，但它仍是一好文章. http://blog.yam.com/chaindrive8132/article/13797785 文章中忽略了李小龍隨依魯山度學兩節棍的事實.
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Jan 14th, 2010, 21:19	#8
big bird Senior Member 注册日期: Sep 2009 帖子: 543 声望: 0	太極可以像這樣打:猪木對阿里 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6Bu5Ki4DHo
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Jan 15th, 2010, 12:30	#9
big bird Senior Member 注册日期: Sep 2009 帖子: 543 声望: 0	1.敬佩witty尋真理的精神,為太極實戰找出路. 2.但方法錯了.太極反對'组合攻防'的概念. 3.即使'组合攻防'可行,也不是太極方法. 4.太極是'舍己從人',太極'無定法'. 5.'太極实战应用理论'也不是'空白',是'粘黏連隨'. 6.可以'粘黏連隨'便可以不敗. 7.吳公儀也做不到'粘黏連隨'. 8.所以是'不能也',非'不為也'.
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big bird Senior Member 注册日期: Sep 2009 帖子: 543 声望: 0	中国(太極)和日本武术追求由武入道,同外拳是殊途殊归. 此帖于 Jan 25th, 2010 22:19 被 big bird 编辑。
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