不要轻易来加拿大

[arirang]

简直是自欺欺人。

[arirang]

２０万在中国实在不算什么，因为有那个收入了，买的房子车子都不会太差，女方也会买很高档的进口化妆品，而加拿大这些中国的所谓奢侈品都比中国便宜，所以，如果年纪不大，一定要来加拿大。

我在中国很年轻时就挣到那个数，但往上走几乎不可能，想想才２０多岁就看不到未来了，决定还是要出去。而且在中国的时候生活压力相当大，因为工作时间短，积蓄不多，买房后根本就没能力买车，天天提心吊胆怕失业，而且偶尔上个学习班什么的，就没有积蓄了。来加拿大后，一开始打labor工，虽然很辛苦，但感觉生活没有压力，生活水平也差不多有国内１０万时的水平。年薪超过５０K时，虽然还是很穷，但感觉比国内的时候爽得多了，至少不担心失业，就是失业也可以找到更高薪的工作，而在中国几乎不可能。而且老婆买化妆品，上学习班什么的，我眉头都不皱一下，因为实在是不贵。更重要的是，以前在中国，我老婆收入不高，而现在我老婆很容易就能找到个相比国内收入很不错的工作，家庭收入就远不止50K了。所以在加拿大拿50K要比在中国拿２０w爽太多了。而且，我还年轻（还不满３０），收入只会越来越高，而不象在中国，看不到丝毫的希望。

[arirang]

作者: rabbitjessy

My current manager told me that his income was 2 times higher than now. Another old Canadian gal told me same thing. Have you read a recent survey about average Canadian income ? it only increase 2.5% in the past 25 years. Since Canadian economy already has been developed , salary raise only depends on inflation. However , salary rise quickly due to booming economy. Especially on skilled labour and trade man industry.

As your other comments, I don't agree as well. Just few simple question for you : How many cars you family have ?
Are they brand new car or heavliy used car ?
How much your wife spends on cosmetics, clothes ,shoe ,beauty salon ,spa every month ?
How much your house worth ?
How much you spend on decoration ? Especially kitchen, bathroom ?
How many vacation you take per year ?

I suggest that you make simple survey on people who make 50k CDN and people who make 200kRMB ,comparing result . I bet that you will have better idea about Canada living cost.

加拿大的工资涨幅小是因为大量低技术含量的工人的工资涨幅小。我现在只是一个中级人员，公司也愿意培养我，工资当然会涨很快，我同事一年涨了三次薪水，差不多有２０％。当然涨到一定幅度会缓下来，但我那时也有资格去选择更好的机会。加拿大并不全是夕阳工业。

现在回答你的问题：
１）在中国我没有，在加拿大有新车一部
２）在中国我太太一年的所有开销大约１０万人民币，现在远低于此数，花费差异主要是学费，其他差不多。
３）在中国我的房子价值９０万，这里的价值３０万
４）都是精装，房价已经包括
５）在中国我没有休假，工作很忙，很累，没有什么福利。现在享受公司的所有福利，包括休假。

另外，我不需要调查吧，因为我自己的情况我很清楚，对别人的情况我不感兴趣，我唯一了解点的是我表妹家，在上海工作，收入和我差不多，但依然不敢买车，房子虽然是复式但肯定没我现在的贵。我就是因为工作很累，看不到希望才出来的。当然，我出来后，同事的收入涨了５０％，但我不一定能涨那么多，因为我已经到头了，到了我工作能力的极限（按项目提成）。当然每个人的情况不一样，我只是发表我的观点，没有必要大肆针对我吧。

[arirang]

作者: pdz

同意你的观点的同胞们请举手。


好奇你是干什么的？同意你的观点的同胞们请举手。


你和大家普遍的观点截然相反，看来是本话题最有趣的一个回帖。


自相矛盾！因为“家庭收入就远不止50K了”，所以“在加拿大拿50K要比在中国拿２０w爽太多了。”看来你老婆比你来加拿大合适多了，因为老婆挣钱多了所以生活水平提高了。

我也来回答你吧：

１：我身边有很多人，不知道你为何这么悲观。我打labor时的心态和现在没有任何区别。
２：我只是一个中级技术人员，洋人太懒，所以炒鱿鱼炒不到我，除非我自己要走。
３：我太太的确适合来加拿大，对我来说差不太多，就是加拿大工作轻松多了，也稳定多了，不怕失业，因为我在金字塔中间的位置。

顺便说几句，真正混得好的，是不怎么上BBS发帖的，我争辩是因为我年轻。家庭年收入１５万以上的中国人多得去了，从没见过他们在此发帖。

[arirang]

strongly agree to Knowledge_IS_Power.

50K is beginning salary here. 80K is not difficult to get in 5 years. 20W in China means hard working, no vacation and no choice (tiao cao).

[arirang]

作者: rabbitjessy

50K isn't salary for entry level job .

for an experienced immigrant, 50K is beginning level. not for an entry level job, OK? I know most immigrants need to change their profession or upgrade their technology, we are not talking about this situation.

[arirang]

you are "experienced sales profession", but I don't believe you are experienced sales profession in Canada. Your salary depends on your long term accumulation, so your case is not representative. By the way, I know lots of salespersons just graduated from high school, so I don't think you are actual professional. Don't tell me a doctor, teacher or secretary is experienced professional here.

A no-experience graduate from college is able to get 30K or more. normally an experienced professional can get much more. "experienced" doesn't mean how many years in China, it means your knowledge conforms Canadian requirement.

I know lots examples. My wife don't have any experience, but her salary is more than 35K. Lots of people graduted from work experience workshop get more than 45K. usually they can get 50K in half a year. My first job is more than 50K.

[arirang]

作者: rabbitjessy

So what do you think about that case ? Actually I think that our discuss digress too far now. Believe or not , 50k for a family is very tight.

I agree. but we are talking a person earning 50K. normally the family income is more than 65K, it isn't very tight.