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这是一场show, 本意不是为了让谁出名, 让谁不出名。

站在台前与唱在台后, 对这个show来说地位是平等的。 那些无名的志愿者乐巅乐颠跑前跑后, 那些啦啦队员一蹦就是两三小时, 要说不尊重, 对她们来说也不够尊重呢, 谁知道她们是谁啊。

好好的一场show一扯上名利就完全变了味。
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太惭愧了。原来是我太天真了。我现在才知道,这种表演都是假的,谢谢教诲。
艺术表演恰好往往不是用真假来评价的。

小时候看过皮影吧, 都知道前台那是假的, 可没几个硬是要到跑到后台去看真的啊
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其实吧, 这事儿也是一个好事儿 (http://www.naol.ca/news/world/0808/0812-1.html

本来一个表演节目嘛, 没必要上纲上线到政治的层次。 不管说双簧, 皮影, 魔术啥的, 都tm是假的, 观众不都是一个个看的乐颠乐颠的。

问题是, 这个事情的主角陈其刚是个旅法音乐人, 当然不爱官僚主义那一套(不妨让我小人猜测一把), 肯定不愿意听领导的讲究效果而不得已搞双簧。 但是人在屋檐下咋能不低头? 双簧还是演吧, 话还是可以说吧, 能把我咋地?这不全说出来了吧?

这事既然已经弄成这样了, 也给那些傻不拉吉的官僚主义一个警钟, 外行还是少来领导内行, 文艺活动还是少来点领导意识。国家的进步不仅需要大众素质的提高, 更需要管理者素质和水平的提高。

差点忘了, 这事儿还没有奥组委会的官方证实, 目前的讨论全是茶余饭后, 没准咱们全被忽悠了。

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国内财经网的博文 http://www.caijing.com.cn/2008-08-12/110004727.html

"8月11日,央视播出了对两位“歌唱祖国”女孩家人的访谈。九岁的林妙可并没学过跳舞,但她的笑脸打动了每一个人。 小妙可的妈妈谈了很多孩子的理想,唯独没有说明,全世界观众当时听到的声音其实不是她女儿的。 " 小孩由大人培养,大人都揣着明白当糊涂, 小孩自然也在一个无真,无丑,无善, 无恶的馄饨世界里长大.长大后也会人前一张脸,人后一张嘴.
受到了伤害也不知道哪里受伤害, 被侮辱了也不知道什么地方被侮辱.
说白了,中国人的脊梁, 需要补钙了....
这也不存在什么侮辱不侮辱吧, 本来两人的声音就很像, 只是其中一个效果好点而已。

培养小孩也不能从小就全讲社会的阴暗面吧, 这人的世界观的形成归根结底还是自己悟出来的吧, 虽然官方媒体不可能自个骂自个, 老百姓私底下骂娘揭露阴暗面还是非常司空见惯吧。咱都是中国长大的, 这点还是很清楚吧。

跟中国人的脊梁有嘛关系?
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前几届奥运会开幕式乱哄哄的也没有什么人说什么,到这一届怎么就这么难啊!!
妒忌呗, 找茬谁不会?

没搞懂发这些报道的记者为什么不去找奥组委会出来澄清, 或者证实, 多大点事? 组委会大大方方承认或者否认就完了嘛。

俺觉得有点猫腻。
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其实觉得不爽的筒子们跟领导们的面子意识没啥本质区别, 就表达方式不同罢了:

领导们觉得应该完美才有面子;

不爽的筒子们觉得应该不唱双簧或者唱了双簧不吭气才有面子;

结果即唱了双簧又老老实实吭了气, 大家都觉得没面子。
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以前(包括纳粹德国的奥运会)没有,以后也没有哪个国家敢于在世界人民面前做出这么无耻的事!
放宽心点, 多大点事啊, 为啥要把最好的东东给鬼佬看啊,

鬼佬夸咱几句就能多发点工资? 鄙视几句也能少您的毫毛?

不就是一面子问题嘛, 看穿了就没啥, 谁都不应该受伤害。
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您有转移话题的嫌疑...

我要说的是,作为一个人,他应该遵循一些普世认同的作为人的行为准则,而不会只看有没有这方面的明文规定。这是在就您所提的“从来没有规定开幕式应该如何如何”的观点所提的质询。我坚定地认为,不能应为没有明文规定,就可以违反人类普遍认同的准则。

至于电影或者演出配音什么的,我还是那句话:我一直以为我看的是一场实况转播...
这事儿引起这么大的争议, 正方反方, 正好说明在这个事情上(双簧)没有普世认同的准则。

实况转播不一定看到的全是真实的, 也许真实的东西不是您在欣赏过程中所要得到的, 相反, 您要的往往是一种效果。

比方说, 李宁起飞, 您凭常识知道绝对不是他真的能飞, 肯定是什么东西把他吊起来了, 但是, 您是想看到那个真实的钢绳还是看他起飞的寓意? 而且, 要是有小孩没有人不会自己起飞的常识, 以为李宁自己能飞, 结果发现是钢绳吊起来的, 那是不是也是对孩子的伤害?
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问你一个简单的问题,当初看到林小朋友“唱歌”的时候,你是不是认为那就是她的声音呢?
老实说, 我一开始就发现她的口型不大对。

是不是她的声音和形象其实不重要, 重要的是我要听到。感受歌曲的内涵。
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那为什么不让小杨mm出场唱呢?
追究这个问题的答案已经不是我看奥运会开幕式的目的。
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看完了,该想想了吧
我不关心这个理由。

你既然这么关心, 人陈总监也自己主动说了啊:为了让观众看到更好的效果。

你既然不觉得是更好的, 总不能让人家再演一遍吧?
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蒙特利尔的事有奥运重大吗?
人命关天还不大啊, 开幕式可是平安无事呢
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大家可是在讨论开幕式的事,Montreal的事可以另开一贴
您不是说Montreal的事不够大嘛, 一起做个比较有啥不妥呢
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提个意见,不是走狗就是轮子,心胸够宽的
您跑上来就5毛5毛的, 也差不多吧。
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野蛮人已经想动手了
其实大家讨论问题, 用不着动气, 问题越辩越明。

大家回您的贴也是对您的尊重, 没准能知道新的东西。

好啦, 俺觉得就此打住最好, 骂口水仗没啥意思。
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