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旧 Jun 16th, 2010, 00:36   只看该作者   #321
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今天去音响店专门去听了一下法国产的Focal和Paradigm音响,不比不知道,一比才知道Focal音箱比Paradigm音响真是强太多了,不过银子也多。后看上一套英国产的Wharfedale音响,原价要3000多刀,现在要1500刀。Wharfedale音响虽不...
英国产的Wharfedale音响适合听摇滚和爆棚音乐,细节差些,不太适合听人声和弦乐.
Focal还是很牛的.
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旧 Jun 16th, 2010, 00:54   只看该作者   #322
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英国产的Wharfedale音响适合听摇滚和爆棚音乐,细节差些,不太适合听人声和弦乐.
Focal还是很牛的.
的确是这样的,不过Focal实在是有点贵了。
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旧 Jun 16th, 2010, 01:19   只看该作者   #323
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能否说详细点?Focal 的哪一款跟Paradigm的哪一款比?什么功放?

前者我不熟悉,Paradigm 我在用(reference 60 V.3),感觉倒是非常好(就怕自己是井底蛙);Paradigm 的产品档次拉开的非常大,几百到8000USD都有。

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旧 Jun 17th, 2010, 00:13   只看该作者   #324
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能否说详细点?Focal 的哪一款跟Paradigm的哪一款比?什么功放?
我听了Focal 的入门级的Chorus 714v, 716v 和稍高档一些的Chorus 816v, Paradigm 的Monitor 7 和9。用的是Marantz SR6004功放。Paradigm的音箱总体很平淡,没什么特色。Focal 的高音非常干净,低音很饱满。两者根本不是一个档次上的东西.

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前者我不熟悉,Paradigm 我在用(reference 60 V.3),感觉倒是非常好(就怕自己是井底蛙);Paradigm 的产品档次拉开的非常大,几百到8000USD都有。
Focal 的产品档次也拉开的非常大,几百到十几万USD都有。他们现在展示的是一万多的音箱。
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旧 Jun 17th, 2010, 00:30   只看该作者   #325
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Focal 在加拿大的参考价格

http://www.shopbot.ca/focal/speakers...nada/67/b/2253
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旧 Jun 17th, 2010, 00:58   只看该作者   #326
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我听了Focal 的入门级的Chorus 714v, 716v 和稍高档一些的Chorus 816v, Paradigm 的Monitor 7 和9。用的是Marantz SR6004功放。Paradigm的音箱总体很平淡,没什么特色。Focal 的高音非常干净,低音很饱满。两者根本不是一个档次上的...
Paradigm的咚咚要Reference系列和Signature系列才算是发烧品牌。Monitor和其他系列算大众货吧。

我经常看Sterophile上的评论,这杂志我觉得是真正发烧友的杂志。这里是:Kalman Rubinson对Paradigm Reference Studio/60 v.3 loudspeaker评论
http://stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/1204paradigm/
Paradigms were connected to an admittedly overkill system—see Sidebar— that the Reference Studio/60 v.3s are unlikely to encounter in real life. But they were not embarrassed, sounding very much like the $10,000/pair speakers they'd replaced: ample, balanced, and open. In fact, in overall balance, there was little to choose between the Revels and the Paradigms. The latter were as full and warm as the Revels, but with excellent and spacious treble, and the stability and dimensions of their soundstage were impressive.
In the details, however, I did find areas that clearly favored the Revels. First, in the extreme bass, the 60 v.3s' smaller drivers and considerably smaller enclosed volume could not quite load my large room (15' by 32', and open to other rooms) with either the pounding bass of rock or the imposing gravitas of the pipe organ, as could the Revels.
Second—and, again, only by direct comparison with the Revels—female voices, so limpidly clear via the Revel's smaller, more sophisticated titanium midrange cone, were ever so slightly veiled through the Studio/60 v.3.

他把Paradigm Studio 60跟Revel Studio(该杂志上的A级音箱:都在10000USD以上)作了比较。咱孤陋寡闻,也只好信行家。同时我也在Dealer听过,所以才了买4个(两个主音箱,两个做环绕)。配上Denon的AVR 5803A,听音乐和看电影,真的很满足。

每人都有自己喜欢的音箱。等银两足了,准备升级两个主音箱,因为它们的低音不购震撼(目前靠低音炮填补)。

各人感觉而已,与各位烧友交流。
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http://www.shopbot.ca/focal/speakers...nada/67/b/2253
hm,很好的牌子。

顺便贴一下咱收藏的Stereophile每一年Product of the Year 的各种产品。准备银子吧,都是动不动几万或几千的东东:

2008 Product of the Year

Sooloos music server system
Runners-Up (in alphabetical order)
Conrad-Johnson ACT2 Series 2 preamplifier
Continuum Audio Labs Criterion turntable & Copperhead tonearm
Hansen Prince V2 loudspeaker
KEF Reference 207/2 loudspeaker
Linn Klimax DS network D/A processor
Magico V3 loudspeaker
Parasound Halo JC 2 preamplifier
PSB Synchrony One loudspeaker
Revel Ultima Salon2 loudspeaker
VTL MB-450 Series II Signature monoblock power amplifier

Stereophile's Products of 2007

Product of the Year: Ayre Acoustics MX-R monoblock power amplifier (review)
Budget Product of the Year: PSB Alpha B1 loudspeaker (review)
Joint Loudspeakers:
Dynaudio Confidence C4 (review)
Wilson Audio Specialties WATT/Puppy 8 (review)
Amplification Component: Ayre Acoustics MX-R monoblock power amplifier (review)
Digital Source: Chord Choral Blu CD transport & Choral DAC64 D/A processor (review)
Joint Analog Sources:
Linn Sondek LP12 turntable with Keel modifications (review)
Lyra Skala phono cartridge (review)
Kuzma Stabi XL turntable (review)
Joint Multichannel Components:
Audio Research MP1 multichannel preamplifier (review)
Cary Audio Design Cinema 11 preamplifier-processor (review)
Accessory: RealTraps MondoTraps (review)
Editor's Choice: Linn Records & Music Giants DRM-Free, High-Resolution Downloads

Stereophile's Products of 2006

Product of the Year: Continuum Audio Labs Caliburn turntable with Cobra tonearm and Castellon stand (review)
Joint Budget Products of the Year:
Rega Apollo CD player (review)
Revel Concerta F12 loudspeaker (review)
Slim Devices Squeezebox WiFi D/A processor (review)
Joint Loudspeakers:
Quad ESL-2805
Sonus Faber Amati anniversario (review)
Vandersteen Quatro (review)
Joint Amplification Components:
Conrad-Johnson ACT2 preamplifier (review)
Halcro dm88 monoblock power amplifier (review)
McIntosh C1000 preamplifier (review)
Digital Source: dCS P8i SACD player (review)
Multichannel Component: Meridian 861 Reference multichannel preamplifier-processor< (review)
Joint Accessories:
AKG K 701 headphones (review)
Ultimate Ears UE-10 Pro in-ear headphones (review)
Editor's Choice: Slim Devices Squeezebox WiFi D/A processor (review)

Stereophile's Products of 2005

Joint Products of the Year:
Ayre C-5xe universal disc player (review)
dartZeel NHB-108 Model One power amplifier (review)
Budget Product of the Year: B&W DM603 S3 loudspeaker (review)
Joint Loudspeakers:
Innersound Kaya (review)
Peak Consult Empress (review)
Sonus Faber Stradivari Homage (review)
Wilson Audio Specialties MAXX Series 2 (review)
Amplification Component: DarTZeel NHB-108 Model One power amplifier (review)
Joint Digital Source:
Ayre C-5xe universal disc player (review)
dCS Verdi La Scala SACD transport & Delius D/A processor (review)
Analog Source: Rega Planar 5 turntable (review)
Multichannel Component: Linn Unidisk SC universal disc player (review)
Joint Accessories:
AKG K-1000 headphones (review)
American Power Conversion S15 AC conditioner & battery backup system (review)
Editor's Choice: Apple Airport Express WiFi Hub-D/A processor (review)

Stereophile's Products of 2004

Joint Products of the Year:
Aerial Acoustics Model 20T loudspeaker (review)
Focal-JMlab Nova Utopia Be loudspeaker (review)
Linn Unidisk 1.1 universal disc player (review)
Joint Budget Components:
Magnepan CC3 center & MGMC1 surround loudspeaker system (review)
Spendor S5e loudspeaker (review)
Joint Loudspeakers: Aerial Acoustics Model 20T (review)
Focal-JMlab Nova Utopia Be (review)
Amplification Component: McIntosh MC501 monoblock power amplifier (review)
Digital Source: Linn Unidisk 1.1 multichannel universal player (review)
Analog Source: Linn Sondek LP12/Lingo turntable & Ekos tonearm (review)
Multichannel Component: Linn Unidisk 1.1 multichannel universal player (review)
Accessories: Shure E3c in-ear headphones (review)
Editor's Choice: Benchmark DAC1 D/A headphone amplifier (review)

Stereophile's Products of 2003

Product of the Year: Quad ESL-989 loudspeaker (review)
Budget Component: Apple iPod (review)
Loudspeaker: Quad ESL-989 (review)
Joint Amplification Components:
Linn Klimax Twin power amplifier (review)
Parasound Halo JC 1 monoblock power amplifier (review)
VTL TL-7.5 Reference preamplifier (review)
Digital Source: dCS Verdi-Purcell-Elgar Plus SACD/CD playback system (review)
Analog Source: SME 30/2 turntable (review)
Joint Accessories:
Echo Busters Decorative Room Treatments (review)
Rives PARC parametric equalizer (review)
Editor's Choice: Apple iPod (review)

Stereophile's Products of 2002

Product of the Year: Halcro dm58 monoblock power amplifier (review)
Joint Budget Components:
Grado SR125 headphones (review)
Music Hall MMF-7 turntable
Revel Performa M20 loudspeaker (review)
Joint Loudspeakers:
Rockport Technologies Antares (review)
Joseph Audio RM7si Signature Mk.2 (review)
Amplification Component: Halcro dm58 monoblock power amplifier (review)
Digital Source: Sony SCD-XA777ES multichannel SACD player (review)
Joint Analog Sources:
Graham 2.2 tonearm (review)
VPI TNT V-HR turntable (review)
Joint Accessories:
Grado SR125 headphones (review)
PS Audio Ultimate Outlet (review)
Wally Phono Tools
Joint Editor's Choices:
Linn Kivor Tunboks hard-disk music server (review)
Wilson Audio Specialties Sophia loudspeaker (review)

Stereophile's Products of 2001

Joint Products of the Year:
MartinLogan Prodigy loudspeaker (review)
Revel Ultima Studio loudspeaker (review)
Joint Budget Components:
Creek 5350SE integrated amplifier (review)
Perpetual Technologies P-3A D/A processor (review)
Polk RT25i loudspeaker (review)
Joint Loudspeakers:
MartinLogan Prodigy (review)
Revel Ultima Studio (review)
Amplification Component: TacT RCS 2.0 digital equalizer/preamplifier (review)
Joint Digital Sources:
Accuphase DP-100/DC-101 SACD transport/processor (review)
Musical Fidelity Nu-Vista 3D CD player (review)
dCS Purcell D/D processor (review)
Analog Source: SME Model 10 turntable (review)
Joint Accessories:
ELAC CARA 2.0 room acoustics computer program (review)
Stax SR-007 Omega II headphone system (review)
Editor's Choice: Bel Canto EVo 200.2 power amplifier (review)

Stereophile's Products of 2000

Joint Products of the Year:
Sony SCD-1 SACD player (review)
Rockport Technologies System Sirius III turntable (review)
Budget Component: MSB LinkDAC III Full Nelson D/A processor (review)
Joint Loudspeakers:
Avantgarde Uno (review)
Dynaudio Evidence Master (review)
Amplification Component: McIntosh MC2000 Commemorative Edition power amplifier (review)
Digital Source: Sony SCD-1 SACD player (review)
Analog Source: Rockport Technologies System Sirius III turntable (review)
Accessory: PS Audio P300 Power Plant (review)
Joint Editor's Choice: Digital Audio Labs CardDeluxe PC soundcard (review)
Vandersteen 2Ce Signature loudspeaker (review)

Stereophile's Products of 1999

Product of the Year: B&W Nautilus 801 loudspeaker (review)
Joint Budget Components:
Adcom GFP-750 preamplifier (review)
B&W Nautilus 805 loudspeaker (review)
MSB LinkDAC D/A processor (review)
Joint Loudspeakers:
B&W Nautilus 801 (review)
Revel Ultima Salon (review)
Joint Amplification Components:
Linn Klimax 500 Solo monoblock power amplifier (review)
Pass Labs X1000 monoblock power amplifier (review)
Digital Source: Linn Sondek CD12 CD player (review)
Joint Analog Sources:
Rega Planar 25 turntable (review)
VPI TNT Mk.IV turntable
Accessory: Acoustic Sciences Corporation Studio Traps (review)
Editor's Choice: dCS 972 D/D converter (review)

Stereophile's Products of 1998

Product of the Year: Conrad-Johnson ART preamplifier (review)
Budget Component: Creek 4330R integrated amplifier
Joint Loudspeakers:
Audio Artistry Beethoven (review)
Revel Ultima Gem (review)
Joint Amplification Components:
Conrad-Johnson ART preamplifier (review)
Mark Levinson No.33H monoblock power amplifier (review)
VTL MB-1250 Wotan monoblock power amplifier (review)
Joint Digital Sources:
Meridian 508.24 CD player (review)
Z-Systems RDP-1 digital preamplifier/equalizer (review)
Analog Source: Simon Yorke Designs Series 7 Analogue Disc Transcription System (review)
Accessory: Sennheiser HD600 headphones (review)
Editor's Choice: Z-Systems RDP-1 digital preamplifier/equalizer (review)

Stereophile's Products of 1997

Product of the Year: dCS Elgar D/A processor (review)
Budget Component: Epos ES12 loudspeaker (review)
Loudspeaker: EgglestonWorks Andra (review)
Joint Amplification Components:
Krell Full Power Balanced 600 power amplifier (review)
Pass Labs Aleph 3 power amplifier (review)
Digital Source: dCS Elgar D/A processor (review)
Joint Analog Sources:
VPI TNT Mk.3 turntable
Magnum Dynalab MD 108 FM tuner
Accessory: HeadRoom Max headphone amplifier (review)
Editor's Choice: B&W DM302 loudspeaker (review)

Stereophile's Products of 1996

Product of the Year: Nagra-D 4-channel open-reel digital recorder (review)
Home-Theater Product: Lexicon DC-1 surround-sound processor
Joint Budget Components:
McCormack Power Drive DNA-0.5 Special Edition amplifier
PSB New Stratus Mini loudspeaker (review)
Joint Loudspeakers:
Aerial Acoustics 10T (review)
Dunlavy Audio Labs Signature SC-VI (review)
Amplification Component: Krell Audio Standard monoblock power amplifier (review)
Digital Source: Nagra-D 4-channel open-reel digital recorder (review)
Analog Source: Naim ARO tonearm (review)
Joint Accessories:
Acoustic Sciences Corporation Tube Traps (review)
Townshend Audio Seismic Sink
VPI HW-16.5 & HW-17 record-cleaning machines
Editor's Choice: Nagra-D 4-channel open-reel digital recorder (review)

Stereophile's Products of 1995

Product of the Year: Wilson Audio Specialties X-1/Grand SLAMM loudspeaker (review)
Joint Home-Theater Components:
Audio Research SDP1 Multichannel Music Processor (review)
Meridian Digital Home Theatre surround system
Joint Budget Components:
Audio Alchemy VAC-in-the-Box phono preamplifier
Dunlavy Audio Labs SC-I loudspeaker (review)
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老实说这些牌子,我也就认识很少一部分。绝大多数见都没见过。
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我听了Focal 的入门级的Chorus 714v, 716v 和稍高档一些的Chorus 816v, Paradigm 的Monitor 7 和9。用的是Marantz SR6004功放。Paradigm的音箱总体很平淡,没什么特色。Focal 的高音非常干净,低音很饱满。两者根本不是一个档次上的...
------1 如果比较 focal 和paradigm的同价位的东西,应该是同一个档次的,很可能paradigm 还要好一些。 加拿大的音箱总体上要比欧洲的性价比高。

2 Paradigm的音箱总体很平淡,没什么特色。Focal 的高音非常干净,低音很饱满 ------更多的可能是不一样的侧重,和个人的不同的喜好造成的印象 。 加拿大的几个品牌以平淡 ,少音染,原汁原味著称.
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再好的箱, 如果不幸落到我手里, 都要被改造. 没办法, 手痒.
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再好的箱, 如果不幸落到我手里, 都要被改造. 没办法, 手痒.
-----对$3-5K的音箱,改造些什么?
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默认 some information about Focal

Focal is a French speaker company that makes all of their own drivers in house as well as drivers for many other speaker companies. Included in the companies that Focal makes drivers for Wilson Audio Specialties; probably the world's best known high end speaker company. If the speakers you are looking at say "Focal JM Labs", then they are older stock as that is the name of the US importing company. New models will say only Focal and then the model number. Focal overall is a well respected speaker company that makes many models from 2 way bookshelves to large 3 or more way floorstanders. If you like their sound, their quality is for all intents and purposes beyond reproach.

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-----对$3-5K的音箱,改造些什么?
还是有可能的. 高音,中音衰减调整. 里面的线, 分频器(元件,特别是电容, 无极电解换掉)等. 倒相箱的话都可能要调整长度, 口径. 里面的吸音材料.
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------1 如果比较 focal 和paradigm的同价位的东西,应该是同一个档次的,很可能paradigm 还要好一些。 加拿大的音箱总体上要比欧洲的性价比高。.
Focal 的716V一套约2300左右,Paradigm的Monitor 9现在在Soundsaround打折一套卖1998,应该是同价位的东西。

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------2 更多的可能是不一样的侧重,和个人的不同的喜好造成的印象 。 加拿大的几个品牌以平淡 ,少音染,原汁原味著称.
我同意你的观点,不同的音响,个人感觉是不同的。
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Focal 的716V一套约2300左右,Paradigm的Monitor 9现在在Soundsaround打折一套卖1998,应该是同价位的东西。



我同意你的观点,不同的音响,个人感觉是不同的。
如果真喜欢音乐,又想买Paradigm的话,那就还是买Reference Studio系列好。它原来是Paradigm的Topof the Line.后来Paradigm又搞了个Signature系列,实际从外形到Driver非常像。Studio60可能2500多吧。
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如果真喜欢音乐,又想买Paradigm的话,那就还是买Reference Studio系列好。它原来是Paradigm的Topof the Line.后来Paradigm又搞了个Signature系列,实际从外形到Driver非常像。Studio60可能2500多吧。

起初,我是想买Paradigm, 但通过比较,我个人还是比较倾向于Focal.
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起初,我是想买Paradigm, 但通过比较,我个人还是比较倾向于Focal.
Congratulations!个人感觉最重要。音箱牌子那么多,其实也未必都是高科技,所以找音箱就像找女朋友,虽说漂亮不漂亮又一定标准,但是否喜欢就因人而异了,自己感觉最重要。

在多伦多的时候,Paradigm卖Reference(现在应该还包括Signature了)的Dealer跟卖Monitor系列的Dealer是分开的。前后比较之后,发现简直就是Lexus根Corolla的差别,现在回想起来,连功放都差很多,所以才有那么大的差别。

有次跟New Jersey的同学聊起音箱,他们俩口子很喜欢音乐,但听了Paradigm之后,就觉得听小提琴是声音太亮,所以还是选用B&W。NJ跟NY City一带,发烧友集中,挑喜欢的牌子实在容易,价格比加拿大还便宜不少。
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focal和paradiam有不同的声音取向,focal动态大,3D感和hi-fi感强。曾经现场比较focal和sonus faber落地箱,个人喜欢sf多些。
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今去Calgary的富人区bearspaw闲转,发现Yard Sale.
要了几个木头盒子:
1。音箱两个(每个10磅)
2。老式收音机一台:可调Tremble,Bass,Balance,还有Tape,Phono输入
3。Hand-Made转盘机一台

回家试了一下收音机:6个亮闪闪的旋钮非常丝滑,没有任何兹兹背景噪音,声音非常清晰,远非今天几十块的多用机可比。看来Magnum Dynalab的Tuner是不用买了。

明天再试一下TurnTable。
 
GE牌子;Made in Japan.年纪比我大是不用怀疑的。不过这种水平的货色,今天的人是造不出来的。

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还是有可能的. 高音,中音衰减调整. 里面的线, 分频器(元件,特别是电容, 无极电解换掉)等. 倒相箱的话都可能要调整长度, 口径. 里面的吸音材料.
吹牛过头了. 我不信谁能在业余条件下把$3K-5K的音箱调校得更好.
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论坛启用 表情符号
论坛启用 [IMG] 代码
论坛禁用 HTML 代码



所有时间均为格林尼治时间 -4。现在的时间是 16:13

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