CENTENNIAL的护士专业,对于一点没有专业背景的人,好不好学?

[spring0329]

作者: seegerz

此言差亦！！我们现在8门课，除一门实习，一门实验室外，其他都是理论课，如：Roy's model, nursing theory, health care consumer, Anatoy, Lab theory, Sociology of Nursing 等等。这个专业的理论深度并不比计算机专业差，对语言的要求也很高，主要是在Clinical的时候，大部分时间都在与病人和其他医护人员交流，我们有一门专业课就是讲nursing communication。

还有就是中国人不见得就聪明，只不过更会考试罢了。老外也很刻苦，学习好的比比皆是，没有发现各个领域里面最初色的绝大多数都是白人吗？

你好,我对着个专业很赶兴趣,而且也想搞这个,你能个我留个e-mial吗?我还想请教你一些问题,可以吗?谢谢

[lwgoca]

to seegerz:
thanks for give me lots of useful information.
can you tell me whether you study for RN or RPN? as i know , Rn programe need four years study.

[caterphillar]

作者: lwgoca

to seegerz:
thanks for give me lots of useful information.
can you tell me whether you study for RN or RPN? as i know , Rn programe need four years study.

有的大学有特殊的 AFTER DEGREE PROGRAM, 是专门给已经有了一个本科学位的人学的, 最快2年就可以读完.

[uwatchinasmile]

作者: seegerz

可我怎么没有觉得计算机出来的本科生、研究生和博士生在工作的时候有什么太大的区别呢？非计算机专业的自学一段时间编程序也不赖；

会写几段程序并不等于好的计算机专业的硕博士，相差太远了。

[seegerz]

作者: uwatchinasmile

会写几段程序并不等于好的计算机专业的硕博士，相差太远了。

我是说普遍来看，朋友里博士硕士一堆，包括我自己大部分人都是为了学历，只有那些真正热爱计算机的，没有学历也出色啊～。尤其是这个专业里的女孩子，最后毕业做研发的很少很少。^-^ (included myself ~!)

我们班里有个原来国内做妇产科医生的，很多年的经验，确实学习起来省力多了，我常常向她请教，很厉害的说~~! 不过nurse的工作和医生的工作差很多，据她说，她自己对血液很适应，接生的时候闻到的血腥对她没有丝毫影响，可对现在病人的排泄物还没有完全适应。但总之，有过医学背景的学nursing很轻松，对将来的工作也非常有力。

很抱歉，我不能把Email留在这里，因为以前留过一次，结果就是在相当长的时间里每天都要回很多Email. 我会尽量做到抽出时间上来，遇到问题我能回答的我肯定回！（不管对不对，都回！！）

[seegerz]

作者: lwgoca

to seegerz:
thanks for give me lots of useful information.
can you tell me whether you study for RN or RPN? as i know , Rn programe need four years study.

I'm taking the 2-year practical nursing, RPN; since the 4-year is too long for me. BTW, so far Ontario is the only province requires 4-year bachelor degree for Registered Nurse, but not same for the rest of Canada. With a diploma of 2-year you may still get a license outside Ontario, like Manitoba or YUKON .

Some of my teachers, registered nuses with 2-year diploma, are in certain upgrading courses, which need you 2 more years to get a bachelor degree.

[seegerz]

作者: spring0329

你好,我对着个专业很赶兴趣,而且也想搞这个,你能个我留个e-mial吗?我还想请教你一些问题,可以吗?谢谢

I've just sent you a message, you may check it!

[lwgoca]

[QUOTE=. BTW, so far Ontario is the only province requires 4-year bachelor degree for Registered Nurse, but not same for the rest of Canada. With a diploma of 2-year you may still get a license outside Ontario, like Manitoba or YUKON .


it sounds a good idea.if i can't pass the rn exam by next october, i will move over there

[ligloria]

作者: seegerz

老杨办事很认真啊，不过可千万别说败不败的，一起讨论讨论，目的都是让大家弄清楚nursing这个专业到底是什么样子的；看事物的角度不同，结论就不一样，这也有助于大家的认识嘛。

比如我现在读的2年的确实比较浅，没有像原来听说的那么难，但很忙！！从开学第二周开始，周周至少一门考试，不算最后的期末考试，我们共有26多个大大小小的考试。现在我们班就有不少人drop或转成part-time的了，一是紧张，二是实习后很多人受不了nurse的工作环境。

无论是2-year or 4-year，都要做一些PSW的工作，多少而已。我们现在就几乎天天和粪便打交道，6点起床，7点赶到实习的nursing home为老人们擦身体，帮他们起床，喂他们吃饭，上药、换药、量体温、测血压......其他时间在学校看书、上课，准备各科考试。两个月前的第一次实习，当我打开病人的一次性尿布的时候，大脑一片空白～～，老师课上讲的该怎么做都忘了，就知道无助的看着实习老师。老师也知道这种情况会发生，走过来，一边做一边耐心指点我该如何处理；从第二天开始，一切就都自己做了。我还算好的，很多人都吐了，或吃不下饭。这是nurisng home，在医院的话工作要难很多，还要和血液、传染病等打交道，风险很大的。比如这周老师分配给我和我的partner一个有传染病的病人，我们在进入她的房间之前要做很多防护措施。趁老师不注意，我们多戴了两层手套！

nursing的工作前景确实不错，可是大家最好认真考虑这个职业的特殊性，真的不是每个人都能干的；我们的实习小组原来共8人，有个小女孩不久就走了，她的名字我都来不及记～！

今天先写道这里吧，等再有时间我会把我看到的母语是非英语的一些护士在医院里的工作情况写出来。因为我那时才明白为什么很多人都说，考试成绩不是重要的，重要的是语言。

晚安！

seegerz，请给我们好好讲讲吧!!! 正在决择之中，护士职业不是我的最爱，感兴趣的却在这里赚不了多少钱，也不一定能有出路。但护士的LAYOFF机率小却是极具诱惑的。一月份就要到了，我还没定下来到底要上CENTENARY的哪个专业~~~~~~再就是你入学考试时都考了些什么呀？如果你有MSN，请加我：litongbo@hotmail.com. 多多谢了。

[seegerz]

I do hope more and more Chinese, especially from the main land, start to discuss some "elegant" jobs, like physician or lawyer, but not like nurse, electrician, or law clerk. I know it needs time, but we might as well take Jews as our role model -- always started from the very bottom of a society, and soon reached the very top after 2 or 3 generations.

Let's fight our way to the top!

[spring0329]

作者: seegerz

I've just sent you a message, you may check it!

Sorry,我不知道这个消息在哪里,没找到 .我想问一下,你的nursing是在哪家学的?申请是的具体要求,还有,大家都说到要求语言好,怎样才算好呢?能打个比方或举个例子给我吗?,我心里没底呀!

[seegerz]

作者: spring0329

Sorry,我不知道这个消息在哪里,没找到 .我想问一下,你的nursing是在哪家学的?申请是的具体要求,还有,大家都说到要求语言好,怎样才算好呢?能打个比方或举个例子给我吗?,我心里没底呀!

不同的学校有不同的入学要求，对于任何一个专业，只要学校录取你了，就说明他们认为你的英语已经可以读这个专业；所以，只要你能被录取，你就一定能读下来的！！！语言好点的听课时轻松一些，但也不会在考试上看出太大的区别，用功就能考到好成绩。

需要说话的地方就都是对语言有要求的地方。比如，每天早上给病人换药、擦身的时候，有任何发现都要马上告诉nurse in charge，描述你所看到的，或其他；一个病人看到同室的室友得到更多的关心，不高兴了，你观察到了就要马上采取措施，和她聊天，开导她，直到她高高兴兴的去吃饭......现在每天实习的大部分时间都在交流，和病人聊，和老师、同学聊，和护士聊。以后工作负责一个shift的话，交接班的时候要对每个病人的情况做详细的汇报；看到一个夜班护士，韩国人，每天早上7点的交接小会上做汇报，很难听懂，人名也念错，head nurse不停的要她重复；有一次这个护士没有show up，大家听的是她的录音，就更难懂了，结果听不到一半，就根本无法继续下去了。这个head nurse很有修养，没什么表情；但几个HCA就开始笑。当时很为她难过。

语言直接影响具体工作，现在我实习的nursing home白天工作看不到那个韩国人和据说也在这个楼层工作的中国人，她们都是晚班。晚班很辛苦，愿意做的很少很少，但我看到刚毕业的一个白人小护士，4月份毕业，5月份就开始上白班了。我确实感到有交流因素在里面，这也就不奇怪，为什么中国人毕业大多做夜班、周末班多，而语言好的多做白班。中国人毕业的护士起薪没有我知道的其他人的工资高。比如我认识的一个中国人Full-time PSW，起薪$9/hr，但我知道的好几个同学现在做part-time PSW的都在$12,13/hr以上; nurse也同样，薪水差很多。

语言的问题在学校上课、考试的时候，都没有很大的影响，都能读下来的。关键是工作。

[spring0329]

作者: seegerz

不同的学校有不同的入学要求，对于任何一个专业，只要学校录取你了，就说明他们认为你的英语已经可以读这个专业；所以，只要你能被录取，你就一定能读下来的！！！语言好点的听课时轻松一些，但也不会在考试上看出太大的区别，用功就能考到好成绩。

需要说话的地方就都是对语言有要求的地方。比如，每天早上给病人换药、擦身的时候，有任何发现都要马上告诉nurse in charge，描述你所看到的，或其他；一个病人看到同室的室友得到更多的关心，不高兴了，你观察到了就要马上采取措施，和她聊天，开导她，直到她高高兴兴的去吃饭......现在每天实习的大部分时间都在交流，和病人聊，和老师、同学聊，和护士聊。以后工作负责一个shift的话，交接班的时候要对每个病人的情况做详细的汇报；看到一个夜班护士，韩国人，每天早上7点的交接小会上做汇报，很难听懂，人名也念错，head nurse不停的要她重复；有一次这个护士没有show up，大家听的是她的录音，就更难懂了，结果听不到一半，就根本无法继续下去了。这个head nurse很有修养，没什么表情；但几个HCA就开始笑。当时很为她难过。

语言直接影响具体工作，现在我实习的nursing home白天工作看不到那个韩国人和据说也在这个楼层工作的中国人，她们都是晚班。晚班很辛苦，愿意做的很少很少，但我看到刚毕业的一个白人小护士，4月份毕业，5月份就开始上白班了。我确实感到有交流因素在里面，这也就不奇怪，为什么中国人毕业大多做夜班、周末班多，而语言好的多做白班。中国人毕业的护士起薪没有我知道的其他人的工资高。比如我认识的一个中国人Full-time PSW，起薪$9/hr，但我知道的好几个同学现在做part-time PSW的都在$12,13/hr以上; nurse也同样，薪水差很多。

语言的问题在学校上课、考试的时候，都没有很大的影响，都能读下来的。关键是工作。

thank you seegerz,看了你的话,我有信心多了.我本来还担心上一半上不下来,那半掉子,就更难受了.
还想请教一个问题,上完了课要考试过才是注册护士吧?那上2年的PN和4年的RN有啥区别呢?是不是上2年的PN不能考注册护士呀?谢谢

[lwgoca]

to seegerz:
you really have a heart of gold. i have some questions to ask, and i appreciat your help.

1, how to improve the nursing communication skills? i know there is a "nursing communication "course somewhere, is that helpful?

2 for a rn working in the nursing home at night shift, how much can she get paid? could you please describe the job responsibility a little bit?

3 different nursing roles working in different departments are paid differently. do you know the name of the roles? what kind of nurse doesn't need work that hard? since i'm thin and short, i don't have enough strenth and self-confidence to be a nurse, besides, i don't like it.

[seegerz]

作者: spring0329

thank you seegerz,看了你的话,我有信心多了.我本来还担心上一半上不下来,那半掉子,就更难受了.
还想请教一个问题,上完了课要考试过才是注册护士吧?那上2年的PN和4年的RN有啥区别呢?是不是上2年的PN不能考注册护士呀?谢谢

2-year RPN: for the license of registered Practical nurse
4-year RN: for the license of registered Nurse
the graduates with 2-year dipploma are not eligible to write the RN register text in Ontario.

[seegerz]

作者: lwgoca

to seegerz:
you really have a heart of gold. i have some questions to ask, and i appreciat your help.

1, how to improve the nursing communication skills? i know there is a "nursing communication "course somewhere, is that helpful?

2 for a rn working in the nursing home at night shift, how much can she get paid? could you please describe the job responsibility a little bit?

3 different nursing roles working in different departments are paid differently. do you know the name of the roles? what kind of nurse doesn't need work that hard? since i'm thin and short, i don't have enough strenth and self-confidence to be a nurse, besides, i don't like it.

I'm not that lazy, but for some questions here we need a repetition. I did answer these kind of questions before, so I just copied what I said for timesaving. BTW, from your above postings, i may tell you're in nursing now, and most likely the 4-year RN. However, i just started the first semester of 2-year RPN, which means some of your questions, like the names of the roles in different departments, are far beyond me~! I'd like to get some nice guy to complement my opinions, and further more to help other sisters make up their minds.

For as much as I can do is to provide the facts that what I've seen and what I've heard. Some facts are even worse than what I've put here, ex: the salarty thing, i've heard a Chinese in the RN of Ottawa U only got $17/hr. Some are much better, $30 or $30+/hr is not rare.

Nursing communication is dead helpful!!

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Do you really want to take PSW, RPN or RN?

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Think it twice, do not just consider the salary or career opportunity, I mean -- IF YOU 'RE WILLING TO BE A NURSE!?

I'm taking RPN right now and doing clinical placement in a nursing home and a hospital (prenatal). I just started it this september and found it's super stressful, exactly as others told me before -- included clinical placement, totally 34 credit hours a week!

But, but.....if you look at nursing only as a job, DO NOT TAKE IT! Which is much more than a job! On my first placement in a nursing home, i've already realized that nursing is a life-long care-giving! My first job was feeding, working with elders, some of them are semi-conscious. That's right, they are drooling, coughing or even incontinent. Do not expect when you enter a patient'r room, there is a nice smell greeting you. You'll face them everyday at work.

If you get a job in hospital, the major tasks are recording, like blood pressure, temperature, urine excretion, and also do some bathing, feeding; in a short, you'll do almost every thing as PSW in hospital; if working in nursing home, you'll have some chances to do pills instead of bathing or feeding, but the salary is much poorer.

So the main concern is, if you dont like those jobs, you'll get vomiting; if you feel those are disgusting, your job will make nothing good to you, and much worse to your patients! During these days in nursing home, i've already found some health care workers have no responsibility at all, and you know what's happening? Their patients, those miserable old people, refuse to eat, the only thing they can do to protest, "hunger strike"!!

It's not surprised to hear that some seniors died quickly in nursing home due to those brutal health care workers! That is true. Why? They just treat their jobs as jobs.

Do you love old people and have enough kindness to disables?
Can you work in a disagreeable environment?
Would you like to be a team-player, regardless of stress or risk?
Are you willing to feed a drooling senior with incontinence?

Think about it! If your answers are "no", please try another major, not only for you, but for the sake of those patients; if "yes", dear friends, please come and join us! We are short of hands, no matter PSW, RPN or RN! Who told you PSW is full?

Nursing, this program is very stressful, but if you love it, you may complete it as long as you keep going!

Nursing is holy!

[shuishenglong]

WARNING:
The people who doesn't have good communicational skill and good oral English, please think again and again before you take the course.
One friend of my, used to be a doctor in China, take RPN course in Centennial college, dropped last year, study again this year, still been failed in clinic because of his communication skill and poor oral E, after TWO-YEAR's stressful study, he got nothing but become crazy!
and he is not unique, 8 students been dropped last year, he is the fifth student been failed!
RPN pay rate in Toronto:18-21$/h for new graduate.

[ming2001]

补充一些。
首先要明确你所指的“护士”是哪一类。RN过了今年就必须是本科毕业，有学士学位的，不光安省如此，俾诗省也一样，而且这将是一个趋势（在加拿大）。毕业后起薪21 以上。所有基本护理都必须掌握，因为很多医院不少部门为了节省开支都不雇用RPN,PSW，同时要有更深的理论和技术要求。语言上要和医生，家属，911，其它医护人员等进行直接交流，责任比较大，一般雇主要求你买保险，以备被人投诉。如果在nursing home, RN就是主管，如下级医护人员有矛盾，你有责任进行调解。所以不好读，也不好干，实习过程中，随时可以各种理由就将你淘汰出局。但好找工作，薪水不错，因为缺，这和医生一样，虽然缺，却仍将门槛提得很高，不让大量的人入局，这是一种自我保护。
一般夜班干的事比白班少，轻松。没有太多的药要发，没有太多的医嘱，不必和太多的人交流。但也因此会给你较多的病人。所以白班和夜班都不轻松，各有利弊。
Part time的时薪比full time要高，因为不必给你买福利。

[猴子之monkeyv]

我也来说两句，首先要说的是Nursing这个专业在大学是和其他专业一样的。前面的朋友说只有COLLEGE有（或者从COLLEGE开始），那是不正确的。而且有本科，硕士和博士。多伦多的三所大学，UT、YORK和RYERSON都有这个专业！而且TOEFL都要求250分，如果你以前没有学过生物或者和医学相关的课程还要求面试！ 需要说明的是：加拿大的很多大学这个专业只让加拿大公民或者是永久居民申请不接受留学生。就我知道安省好像只有RYERSON和LAKEHEAD接受留学生！
这个专业非常不好读，楼主读的是RPN压力还是小点。RN的压力巨大，而且要求特别多！PAPER多的不得了还有REFLECTION！Nursing Practice更不用说了！其他专业FAIL可能是因为你的成绩不好，而NURSING FAIL有可能是因为老师的主观因素。去年一个SECTION 10个人被老师FAIL了6个。那个老师是白杀！废你没有商量！今年听说有个SECTION到现在10个人有6个QUIT了，原因是无法忍受巨大的压力！据我所知，读PSW和RPN的中国人很多而读RN本科的中国人非常少！ 另外这个专业的淘汰率可比其他专业的高多了，美国NEW YORK U 录取500人实际毕业只有50人！还有就是这个专业很少给转学分，即使你以前是学医的现在一样也要读4年来或者本科degree。

[猴子之monkeyv]

作者: shuishenglong

WARNING:
The people who doesn't have good communicational skill and good oral English, please think again and again before you take the course.
One friend of my, used to be a doctor in China, take RPN course in Centennial college, dropped last year, study again this year, still been failed in clinic because of his communication skill and poor oral E, after TWO-YEAR's stressful study, he got nothing but become crazy!
and he is not unique, 8 students been dropped last year, he is the fifth student been failed!
RPN pay rate in Toronto:18-21$/h for new graduate.

RPN的工资有那么高吗？有DEGREE的RN起薪才21,RPN就有18－21?